Yes sir.

Whoever it was was rambling at the table for a long while. Then after he cashed out, he was literally following the floor around the room trying to argue with the floor.

https://apnews.com/701faeff7c7a44ab89b1186f6ffa63be/Plane-stolen-by-'suicidal'-employee-crashes-near-Seattle

i didnt see it, but that would have been crazy to see the f15 come in on it

Would it kill them to make it till midnight for the o8 hh. For the non retired folk.

According to the app there are currently four 3/5s going at Fortune. Goodness gracious.

Yeah crazy. Versus 2 each 1/3 and 3/5 at the muck. Must be a convention in town or something

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Having not been there and first I’m hearing of this story I can still say w 95% certainty this was AKQJT. I’ve first hand seen him do this same thing at at least 4 diff north end card rooms.

Quick update to the Daily Tourney Power Rankings- Red Dragon is now at the bottom. Played there last night and can say it was without doubt the poorest run tournament I’ve ever been a part of.

That does explain it. He was going on a tirade about how Seattle poker rooms do things so much more awful than rest of the country.

I recall him having the same tirades in this thread. Not sure why he has such disdain with house rules and how "Seattle" does things.

Did we rain on your parade when you landed or something?

Yeah, on that instance I was being a dumbass. The room actually reversed the policy soon thereafter anyway but it's -EV for me to make a big deal out of things that really aren't.

We all know how message board caricatures work. Not letting go of something for three straight hands becomes "threw a tantrum for about 45 minutes at the table." Disagreeing with people becomes " rambling on and on with himself." Talking to a floorperson--who, in a small room, is probably multitasking--becomes stalking them and chasing them around the floor.

Whatever it takes for a compelling story, since "talked to a busy floorperson for five minutes away from the podium" isn't as fun to point and laugh at as "followed the floor around for 30 minutes." That's how message boards work.

Not much point in me trying to engage with this but like I said, I'm continuing to work on my own **** (the reality, not the caricature). I'm open to any sincere feedback that can help with that. To anyone else who wants to work on their own ****, GL to you.


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As for Seattle --- I actually like it here quite a bit. What I'm trying to build patience with is the mentality of small-mindedness, "We do things here our own way," when there's no good reason to improvise house rules on the fly. Poker wasn't just invented so there are standards that have developed. LA and Las Vegas aren't better places than Seattle but there are rooms with a lot more experience spreading certain poker games. You don't need to blindly do everything like the Commerce but to not even care how they do things at the Commerce in a game you just started is, in my view, arrogance. (Comments from the Red Dragon's management lead to me think they agree with me on this.)

This leaves me butting hands with a culture that deeply prizes localized rule-following above any sort of independent thought. "DON'T YOU REALIZE THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO MAKE HOUSE RULES?!?" Yes, of course I realize that. "HOW DARE YOU CRITICIZE HOUSE RULES?!?" Because we're entitled to have an opinion on something, although at times it might be unwise to express it. "IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT, WHY DON'T YOU GO PLAY SOMEWHERE ELSE?" If it's a serious issue I might, but if it's not that serious, we're still allowed to have opinions.

Call me anti-Seattle if you like (I'm not) but I find that sort of shared reflexive obesiance pretty comical. I find comedy everywhere.

Unquestioning acceptance of "The Rules" isn't so highly prized in other places, and in truth there's some middle ground I have yet to find where I politely express my opinion and then move on. Good communication skill to work on. But meanwhile it's more +EV to keep my mouth shut. If the issue is important I can accomplish just as much chasing the floorperson around for 30 minutes -- a/k/a having a few words with them, most likely at the podium.

GL at the tables folks.

AKQJT,

Good for you for taking a look at the bigger picture. I think that supporting rooms that offer delicious bowls of spicy stir fried ramen very helpful in promoting good self esteem and awareness.

It's amazing how a low cost delicious meal can brighten up your day. Plus, you don't even have to wait long - order in the bar and eat while you wait! You'll still get the 50% off discount.

I advise adding a bit of soy sauce and sriracha to make it even yummier. Also, I've found myself getting used to the heat and sweating less after about 6 or so bowls of stir fried spicy ramen.

They also offer a soup version, but I don't eat soup in the summer. There's also a $2 4-piece shrimp supplement, which is good but unnecessary.

They serve other food as well, but I'm addicted to the spicy ramen. This world is crazy sometimes... can you believe people drive from as far away as Lacey and Portland to play at the House of Spicy Ramen (and Poker)?

Fortune's new promo began today. I just arrived around 4PM. All tables are utilized. Theres 3x 1/3 games with 3 waiting. 1x 2/5 with 9 waiting. 2x 20/40 2 waiting. 2x 8/16 & 4/8 Omaha, no wait. 5x 4/8 with no wait.

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Dude, none of us make house rules. Floor doesn't make house rules. Dealers don't make house rules. Players certainly don't make house rules.

First you were arguing house rules with the dealer, then the floor, and then you continue to argue that the house rules are stupid with players at the table.

You can't see beyond the simple fact that NOBODY in that room could change the house rules at that moment. That in itself is the definition of small-mindedness, inability to look beyond a very simple fact.

In your mind that may be the argument, but I can guarantee you that none of us think any of this is the premise.

All we were thinking is that this guy can't get pass the simple fact that a it's a house rule that is BLACK AND WHITE, and none of us can change it.

You were literally acting like a child that throws a tantrum because you are told that you cannot play the jungle gym.

Clearly you know of very little Seattle culture...perhaps that's why you still perceive yourself as an outsider.

I don't know where you got the crazy idea that we somehow mindless follow rules in Seattle, but clearly you don't actually know any of us.

Well, you might get that idea if you’ve ever seen a group of people standing at a traffic free intersection at 2am waiting for the walk signal.

For AKQJT it’s not really a “message board caricature” if people say and think the same things live and in-Person. And it sounds like you’re just as rule-focused as those you criticize, but just for a different set of rules.

Funny if that was the case with red light, AKQJ10 would stand there and argue with other pedestrians how it should not be red and continue on with different groups of pedestrians walking by for a long while.

And he might say things such as how he has been all over the country and never seen red lights like these, and how stupid Seattle red lights are. That was pretty much the thesis of his argument that day.

Or a traffic jam on Saturday afternoon on Aurora because no one wants to use the "bus lane" even though posted signs make it clear the bus lane isn't in effect on weekends.

Some of the details above aren't accurate but clearly my behavior needs to be different. (I'm working on it.)

The last point is a valid one and one I've thought a lot about. The difference (valid or not) in my mind at the moment is that it's linked to some broader principle. Here the broader principle seems to be "Authority figures shouldn't claim expertise when they don't have expertise." I'm actually pretty chill about enforcing rules with no purpose (e.g. I don't often call string bets).

We could have a fun time diagnosing what would cause a person to be triggered by the idea "Authority figures shouldn't claim expertise when they don't have expertise," but regardless, debating it at the table is unwise. It's my thing to deal with and I am.





I'm pretty proactive about trying to build relationships with the room management to mitigate whatever long-term annoyance I'm causing. When I'm in the wrong I apologize. AFAIK I get along great with the management of the RD. In this instance the room manager did the exact opposite of what I was accusing here--he asked colleagues and found out the standard procedure, and changed his operations a few days later to match. None of that was in reaction to me. He just wanted to get it right.

But who are you to judge whether the authority has proper expertise? Did you know the background of the room manager who made the rule?

You referenced Commerce in the last post (and you referenced bunch of casinos in Vegas live) as quintessential expert because it has been doing it longer. So does that mean if someone has been in business the longest, that person has the highest authority?

What is the basis of how you judge expertise? Should RD have no say in any rules because it's new to spreading a game, even if the rule may echo the common antics of a particular local scene?

It would be as much fun as standing by a stranger who's really emotional about why the red light isn't turning and trying to understand why he's so mad.

Honestly, it sounds like you think Seattleites have the tendencies to "blindly appeal to the authority."

But it really sounds like you're just mad because they are not appealing to the right authority.

You didn't give any reason why the house rule was wrong and you wanted no part in the discussion how the house rule might make sense. You simply wanted everyone to acknowledge that the rule IS NOT the same as everywhere else and therefore it is wrong.

If there is anyone blindly following the rule, it was you.

Here it is in your own words about why that rule should have been changed:

You didn't care about whether there was any reason behind the rule. You simply believe that the room isn't qualified to make its own rules because it has only been spreading for several months.

So Washington rooms should make any "nonstandard tweaks" because it doesn't account for the "standard rule" that has been around all over.

Editorial: case in point - you blindly appeal to authority and you're mad that others don't follow the same rule and changed them.

If this was indeed the rationale behind the rule, did you bother to address it? No, you simply went on to say...

That basically a small market in Seattle should never "monkey around" with rules that are consistent in the big boy markets that have shown years even decades of success.

Editorial: again, you appealed to "the rule" set by the big markets and mock how a small market such as Seattle could dare to monkey around with a rule change.

"There shall only be one rule in the land..."

Again, it sounds to me that you are the only person who thinks there should be an absolute rule to follow under all circumstances.

Pot calling kettle black.

I see what you did there...RD literally just committed a murder for changing the entire rule of the game because it is telling its dealers that they cannot announce size of pot.

Yes, I'd say people who have been running PLO games every day for 5 or 10 years are more qualified than those who started 3 months ago to develop procedures for PLO games. There's no reason why the Puget Sound market is so fundamentally different that it needs a new set of PLO rules. We all agree that it was a stupid topic for me to waste hours of my life over, but it's the sort of making up house rules "just because" that drives me up a wall but I have to learn to deal better with because it happens a lot here.

Incidentally the core rationale is that every poker player should be entitled at all times to know the full range of options. Players should be entitled to ask at all times whether $75 is or isn't a legal bet, whether or not they want to bet $75. In a PL game, the range of legal bets is determined by the size of the pot, so that's why only in PL it's 100% standard to ask the size of the pot. This is true basically everywhere that spreads PLO except one casino in Pittsburgh, apparently. Not life or death, but not a good reason for a new house rule "just because."

In the event the dealer hadn't announced the number of players in the pot and someone surprisingly showed up with cards, which is why I asked the pot size to reverse engineer the information that hadn't been announced.

We'll have to agree to disagree on the rest of your post.

I did check out the RD PLO game yesterday, a Monday, as they had seats available. It was indeed a spicy game. One guy raised PF for about $100 with a 9 hi wrap, same guy called $200 on the flop with a similar wrap with only one connecting card on the flop.

Very spicy but also dangerous. People firing multiple barrels with nothing, to be called by a guy with top pair no kicker.

RD is also very close to a mcdonalds open late.

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Steve I'm usually here for your food suggestions but hunting down a McDonalds when there's A Dick'S LITERALLY RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET makes you nothing shy of a sociopath. Also depending on the stack-to-pot ratio getting it in on the flop w a wrap can be completely standard. Stick to food kid.

A true wrap perhaps, but the hands he was describing were not actually wraps.

Lol. I thought McDonalds proximity was a funny reason to go to a cardroom.