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Bottom line - I think I remember reading here in the forum that the San Jose ballot increased the tax rate on Casino Matrix with the understanding/trade off that they would be allowed to increase the number of poker tables. Now that they are apparently not allowed to increase the number of poker tables, they should not be taxed at the higher rate! How is that fair? Come on, San Jose - show Casino Matrix some respect! It’s an amazing place, with a great atmosphere/environment! I’ve always enjoyed playing there! I think that’s why there’s no poker there right now! They’re angry about what I just described! It’s their way of protesting!

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05-05-2021 , 03:06 PM

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AlanBostick

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It might simply be that they make more money from pai gow, California blackjack, and double-hand table games.

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05-05-2021 , 04:34 PM

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ChipsOmNom

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It also bothers me how much some places stink/smell bad (i.e. Oaks). How about a little respect for your establishment? I guess it gets back to the original point, not caring about customer service

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05-05-2021 , 04:54 PM

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gone2life

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Originally Posted by AlanBostick

It might simply be that they make more money from pai gow, California blackjack, and double-hand table games.

I don’t think that’s true. They had the same number of those tables before they got rid of the poker tables. Seeing it as an either/or situation seems like a false dichotomy. But this past year/year and a half has taught me - what do I know about the world/how it works/what seems logical? Stupidity seems to reign supreme.

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05-05-2021 , 04:56 PM

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gone2life

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Originally Posted by AlanBostick

It might simply be that they make more money from pai gow, California blackjack, and double-hand table games.

And by the way, talk about problem gambling. It would be those games.

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05-06-2021 , 05:28 PM

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pig4bill

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Originally Posted by gone2life

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Originally Posted by AlanBostick

It might simply be that they make more money from pai gow, California blackjack, and double-hand table games.

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Originally Posted by gone2life

The table limit refers to all tables IN PLAY. So if their limit is 50 they don't have 25 for poker and 25 for asian games, they might have 30 for each. Then the cardroom is free to choose which games they run. At Bay they would often close a NL table if the list got short, so they could open an asian game table.

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05-06-2021 , 11:36 PM

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agamblerthen

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Originally Posted by ChipsOmNom

It also bothers me how much some places stink/smell bad (i.e. Oaks).

And yet you keep going back. How much did you lose?

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05-06-2021 , 11:49 PM

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agamblerthen

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Originally Posted by AlanBostick

LOL at the idea that Bay Area poker rooms don't use Bravo because of state regulation or taxation. If that was the case, why are the Los Angeles cardrooms on Bravo? Same state regulation, same state taxation.

My understanding that the reason Bay Area poker rooms do not use Bravo is because of a gentleman's agreement among Bay Area cardroom operators that they will not do so. When one talks to a cardroom manager to suggest using Bravo, the typical answer is that the cardroom does not want to lose customers to another cardroom on a given day simply because the waits are shorter elsewhere.

A further complication is that because of municipal ordinance, the cardrooms in San Jose may not incentivize or reward play. No discounts for food, no comp dollars, no jackpots, and so on. Bay 101 and Casino M8trix are thus further disincentivized to ue a system like Bravo for player tracking (because comp dollar rewards are the incentive to players to use the tracking player cards). The San Jose cardrooms are the 900-lb gorillas in the Bay Area poker market, and if Bravo cannot work for them, they would really like to make sure that Bravo is not used by anyone else.

This is all correct, and anyone suggesting otherwise is simply uninformed.

Regarding the "gentleman's agreement," the GM of the Oaks told me essentially the same thing years ago. He doesn't want someone to check an app and decide not to come in because the particular game he wants to play isn't running. He wants that player to show up and play in one of the games that is running—either that or help start the game he wants.

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05-07-2021 , 05:23 AM

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ballin4life

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Originally Posted by agamblerthen

Regarding the "gentleman's agreement," the GM of the Oaks told me essentially the same thing years ago. He doesn't want someone to check an app and decide not to come in because the particular game he wants to play isn't running. He wants that player to show up and play in one of the games that is running—either that or help start the game he wants.

Except that all of these places will tell you what games are running if you pick up the phone and call them. And what about the times when you see that a game you want to play is running and then decide to show up? This supposed reason doesn't make a ton of sense upon inspection, even if that's their official line on the subject.

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05-07-2021 , 07:58 AM

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ChipsOmNom

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Originally Posted by ballin4life

Agreed. It's just lazy cardroom management making excuses for not wanting to spend money that would actually improve the customer experience and their business.

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05-07-2021 , 07:59 AM

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ChipsOmNom

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Originally Posted by agamblerthen

And yet you keep going back. How much did you lose?

Usually posts like this come from people who don't have many friends

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05-07-2021 , 12:15 PM

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AlanBostick

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Originally Posted by ChipsOmNom

Usually posts like this come from people who don't have many friends

That's peculiar; I was thinking precisely the same thing about this post:

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Originally Posted by ChipsOmNom

It also bothers me how much some places stink/smell bad (i.e. Oaks). How about a little respect for your establishment? I guess it gets back to the original point, not caring about customer service

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05-07-2021 , 12:44 PM

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ChipsOmNom

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Originally Posted by AlanBostick

That's peculiar; I was thinking precisely the same thing about this post:

I don't have friends because I want my home cardroom to have higher standards?

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05-08-2021 , 04:20 PM

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agamblerthen

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Originally Posted by AlanBostick

That's peculiar; I was thinking precisely the same thing about this post:

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05-09-2021 , 06:08 PM

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dadjoey

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Bay 101 Update:

Casino/Pit Games are in the cardroom with spacing and plexiglass. Pokerroom is inside an exterior tent directly connected to the cardoom. Generous spacing between tables and a sectioned off eating area on the side. Players can sit down at the table. 8 players per table. Plexiiglass. # of tables is limited. 80/160 game runs on the weekdays. Long lists for all other games.

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05-10-2021 , 02:43 AM

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In Paradise

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Headed to Graton next weekend for 8/16 kill and some $3/5 NL. Anyone been lately? Looks like it’s busy on weekends according to Bravo. How’s the action?

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05-11-2021 , 01:51 PM

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gone2life

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Looks like Palace Poker finally has poker again! Very cool!

(Also, I’m hoping poker tournaments come back to the Bay Area sooner rather than later - fingers crossed)

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05-12-2021 , 07:05 PM

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The Gobbler

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Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 36

Anyone in the Bay Area looking for a dealer?? Experience in underground East Coast games for years.

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05-13-2021 , 05:01 PM

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MikeyObviously

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I'm double vaxxed and ready to go. I'd like to some insight on these places from people who have been going lately.

- Which do you prefer?
- I remember LC having an unbeatable rake at 1-1-2, they were pulling like 7 dollars per pot. Is this still the case? What is the rake at Oaks?
- Are tourneys going on? Neither site has a schedule up.
- What games in general are offered at each nowadays? My knowledge of this is very old.

Thanks!

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05-13-2021 , 06:59 PM

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dionysus1

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Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 339

Don't play 1/1/2, but rake is probably 4 + 1 river fee + 2 jackpot drop, cuz thats what it is in 3/5.

No tournaments at LC yet. As of last week they were outside in a tent, but this could change with change in tier status for the county. If they're still outside, bring a warm jacket and a warm hat. It can get cold.

Games are 3/6 and 6/12 limit, 4/8 O8, 1/1/2, 3/5, and occasional 5/10 nl. once in a blue moon they have 1/2/5 plo

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05-15-2021 , 10:18 PM

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ChipsOmNom

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I played at LC today for the first time in a while. I feel like they stepped up the service/professionalism. Floors did a good job of keeping seats filled and everyone I interacted with was cordial. The place smells better too!

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05-22-2021 , 11:11 PM

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DanS

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Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 1,246

I miss the days when LC had 20/40 and 40/80 LHE

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05-23-2021 , 03:01 PM

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gone2life

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Does anyone know when tournaments are going to become a thing again?

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05-28-2021 , 11:53 PM

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cz99

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Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 31

If anyone has been to M8 in the last month, could you please report what's the scene there like? I haven't played in more than a year!

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05-31-2021 , 12:55 PM

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AlanBostick

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Haven't been there, but word on the street is that there is no poker.

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