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Old 05-04-2021, 10:04 PM   #1501
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And themselves.
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Old 05-05-2021, 01:14 AM   #1502
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And themselves.
A true win-win. And they provide lots of jobs! Would you look at that!
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Old 05-05-2021, 02:15 AM   #1503
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Bottom line - I think I remember reading here in the forum that the San Jose ballot increased the tax rate on Casino Matrix with the understanding/trade off that they would be allowed to increase the number of poker tables. Now that they are apparently not allowed to increase the number of poker tables, they should not be taxed at the higher rate! How is that fair? Come on, San Jose - show Casino Matrix some respect! It’s an amazing place, with a great atmosphere/environment! I’ve always enjoyed playing there! I think that’s why there’s no poker there right now! They’re angry about what I just described! It’s their way of protesting!
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Old 05-05-2021, 03:06 PM   #1504
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It might simply be that they make more money from pai gow, California blackjack, and double-hand table games.
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Old 05-05-2021, 04:34 PM   #1505
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It also bothers me how much some places stink/smell bad (i.e. Oaks). How about a little respect for your establishment? I guess it gets back to the original point, not caring about customer service
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Old 05-05-2021, 04:54 PM   #1506
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It might simply be that they make more money from pai gow, California blackjack, and double-hand table games.
I donít think thatís true. They had the same number of those tables before they got rid of the poker tables. Seeing it as an either/or situation seems like a false dichotomy. But this past year/year and a half has taught me - what do I know about the world/how it works/what seems logical? Stupidity seems to reign supreme.
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Old 05-05-2021, 04:56 PM   #1507
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It might simply be that they make more money from pai gow, California blackjack, and double-hand table games.
And by the way, talk about problem gambling. It would be those games.
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Old 05-06-2021, 05:28 PM   #1508
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Bottom line - I think I remember reading here in the forum that the San Jose ballot increased the tax rate on Casino Matrix with the understanding/trade off that they would be allowed to increase the number of poker tables. Now that they are apparently not allowed to increase the number of poker tables, they should not be taxed at the higher rate! How is that fair? Come on, San Jose - show Casino Matrix some respect! Itís an amazing place, with a great atmosphere/environment! Iíve always enjoyed playing there! I think thatís why thereís no poker there right now! Theyíre angry about what I just described! Itís their way of protesting!
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I donít think thatís true. They had the same number of those tables before they got rid of the poker tables. Seeing it as an either/or situation seems like a false dichotomy. But this past year/year and a half has taught me - what do I know about the world/how it works/what seems logical? Stupidity seems to reign supreme.
The table limit refers to all tables IN PLAY. So if their limit is 50 they don't have 25 for poker and 25 for asian games, they might have 30 for each. Then the cardroom is free to choose which games they run. At Bay they would often close a NL table if the list got short, so they could open an asian game table.
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Old 05-06-2021, 11:36 PM   #1509
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It also bothers me how much some places stink/smell bad (i.e. Oaks).
And yet you keep going back. How much did you lose?
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Old 05-06-2021, 11:49 PM   #1510
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LOL at the idea that Bay Area poker rooms don't use Bravo because of state regulation or taxation. If that was the case, why are the Los Angeles cardrooms on Bravo? Same state regulation, same state taxation.

My understanding that the reason Bay Area poker rooms do not use Bravo is because of a gentleman's agreement among Bay Area cardroom operators that they will not do so. When one talks to a cardroom manager to suggest using Bravo, the typical answer is that the cardroom does not want to lose customers to another cardroom on a given day simply because the waits are shorter elsewhere.

A further complication is that because of municipal ordinance, the cardrooms in San Jose may not incentivize or reward play. No discounts for food, no comp dollars, no jackpots, and so on. Bay 101 and Casino M8trix are thus further disincentivized to ue a system like Bravo for player tracking (because comp dollar rewards are the incentive to players to use the tracking player cards). The San Jose cardrooms are the 900-lb gorillas in the Bay Area poker market, and if Bravo cannot work for them, they would really like to make sure that Bravo is not used by anyone else.
This is all correct, and anyone suggesting otherwise is simply uninformed.

Regarding the "gentleman's agreement," the GM of the Oaks told me essentially the same thing years ago. He doesn't want someone to check an app and decide not to come in because the particular game he wants to play isn't running. He wants that player to show up and play in one of the games that is runningóeither that or help start the game he wants.
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Old 05-07-2021, 05:23 AM   #1511
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Regarding the "gentleman's agreement," the GM of the Oaks told me essentially the same thing years ago. He doesn't want someone to check an app and decide not to come in because the particular game he wants to play isn't running. He wants that player to show up and play in one of the games that is runningóeither that or help start the game he wants.
Except that all of these places will tell you what games are running if you pick up the phone and call them. And what about the times when you see that a game you want to play is running and then decide to show up? This supposed reason doesn't make a ton of sense upon inspection, even if that's their official line on the subject.
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Old 05-07-2021, 07:58 AM   #1512
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Except that all of these places will tell you what games are running if you pick up the phone and call them. And what about the times when you see that a game you want to play is running and then decide to show up? This supposed reason doesn't make a ton of sense upon inspection, even if that's their official line on the subject.
Agreed. It's just lazy cardroom management making excuses for not wanting to spend money that would actually improve the customer experience and their business.
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Old 05-07-2021, 07:59 AM   #1513
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And yet you keep going back. How much did you lose?
Usually posts like this come from people who don't have many friends
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Old 05-07-2021, 12:15 PM   #1514
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Usually posts like this come from people who don't have many friends
That's peculiar; I was thinking precisely the same thing about this post:

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Old 05-07-2021, 12:44 PM   #1515
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That's peculiar; I was thinking precisely the same thing about this post:
I don't have friends because I want my home cardroom to have higher standards?
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That's peculiar; I was thinking precisely the same thing about this post:
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