I was sitting like directly across from you and two to the right of that cory guy, I switched to the 8 seat a little before you left. I think you were playing in the mtt yesterday as well? I was in the back left table for that and ended up shipping it.

nice, and ya i was in the tournament. I kinda figured you might be a 2+2er, I think we've played together a few times or atleast I've seen you a few times. You the one with the glasses?

edit:what was the win worth?

Yeah at least once, but im only using the white hat as a reference. And yes I wear glasses like 95% of the time.
1st was 930 or something but we chopped 3 ways for 500 each with 360 to play for first and by the time it was HU i had 105k vs 65k and 2.5k/5k blinds w/ 500 and the blinds were about to go up again so i took 2/3 of the remaining and he took the last 1/3. I hit a pretty sick gutshot on the river 5 handed at the FT where some guy limped AA at 1k/2k and i had 18k with KQs, so I shoved and the board came out T65AJ. After that the play dropped pretty significantly.

With only nine tables, is there a long waitlist for 1/3 NL on a Friday night?

Are they capping the moneymaker challenge in December? Or taking as many as they get?

haven't been there on a friday yet but there was 5ish tables midday saturday.

capping at 90 i believe

I made my first venture to Presque Isle on Friday night. I phoned ahead about an hour and asked to be put on the list for 1-3 NLHE, and I was at the top of the three person list when I arrived. The room has nine tables, and seven were running when I got there around 9:45pm (one 2-5 and six 1-3). The competition was surprisingly tough, and I was running even for about three or four hours. Then, around 2:30am, it happened. The legendary white-gloved lady appeared, buying in for the minimum $75 and losing it quickly. She did not rebuy. My table broke up around 3:30am, and I left with a respectable $250 profit.

It say's on there website they spread 3-6 LH. I would imagine this would be a popular game. No go that night?

3-6 is rarely played

Every casino I ever been to has limit going, at least 1 table. Maybe they will have more interest someday.

Tx for the response.

Played here for the second time yesterday afternoon and evening. Was ok. Dealers still overall weak. Some waiter kid took over around 5pm or so and was busting his ass all night. Got to give him props...never seen any cocktail server in a poker room work as hard as he did. Saw the white gloves lady at another table. Was surprised that the room was not full when I left at 10pm. Got the impression lots of folks playing were from Cleveland. Think this place is gonna take a huge hit when Cleveland rooms open.

Very soft, but also not very well run, numerous times the same guy would show his cards just to the person next to him then muck, which was very tilting to me and the dealer said nothing to him, one time I asked what'd he show, to which he responded "a pocket pair" when I asked exactly which pOcket pair I didn't get an answer. But that comes with it being a new room I suppose, but very soft indeed

I played there a few nights around Thanksgiving, about 4-5 times in total. The floor was pretty friendly, but I had a few bad experiences.

From what I saw, maybe 10% of the dealers are good, 40% average to below average, and 50% bad to horrible. I understand that the room is new but having floor game dealers rotate through is obviously not the way to go. Here are some examples:

Dealer sits down and is obviously new and nervous. Player puts a $50 bill down for more chips, she spends over 30 seconds nervously counting and fumbling with $5 chips then gives him $30. When error is pointed out she appologizes and then gives him $40 total.

Same dealer, flop is 9TQ rainbow, two guys get allin on flop for a few hundred dollar pot. Dealer looks at the two guys who were all-in and asks "Do you want to see the rest of the cards?"

Played one session of PLO and both the floor and dealers had no idea how to calculate a pot sized raise. After arguing with the dealers the floor was called and gave an answer that was off by over 33%.

This all was bad but by far my worst poker room experience happened later that day:

Because of a poor dealer I had to call floor for first time in my poker career on another player (two actually), and then again during the same hand... I had called on button with 36s after a loose guy had raised preflop and a gal next to him had called. Flop comes Q33 and he bets out, she calls, and I raise. They then procede to openly discuss what I probably have between the two of them for over a minute while the dealer just stared off into space. Saying things like 'he is too tight to have a 3, and he would have reraised KK or AA from the button so my queen must be good', on and on and on. I'm giving the dealer the stink eye as if to say "Come on!" but she is watching the game on TV.

Finally I say come on guys one to a hand, or I'll call the floor and they start mocking me calling me a baby, tattletail, etc. 3rd grade ****. The floor comes and basically says "One to a hand", then leaves. The one guy folds but the woman starts mocking me, and tells me she is going to call me down and teach me a lesson. She calls flop, I have about $200 left and bet $100 on turn when third club 7 hits. She thinks for a few minutes and is calling me all sorts of odd insults saying I'm 'aggressive' and 'cocky' (which is funny since I'm a pretty quiet easy going guy) but calls.

River is offsuit 6 that gives me a full house. I bet what I had left, $95 and she instantly flips her hand- QTo- over in front of her chips but not in the muck. Dealer pulls her attention away from the game to absent mindedly reach out for the face up cards and the woman flips out yelling "No, no I called him, I CALLED HIM!!!" I say OK, I have a full house and turn my cards up. The woman just stares at me and doesn't put any chips in. I say, the bet was $95 and the woman loses her mind saying she didn't call, her hand was mucked, and my favorite "It was so obvious from the flop on that you had a full house, why would I call $95". She is yelling at this point, the guy who she had been discussing the hand with starts yelling that I was trying to steal and she hadn't called and how could she call with a mucked hand, etc etc.

Floor is called again. A guy completely uninvolved in the hand from the other side of the table said he heard her say call multiple times, while the woman is saying things over and over like 'are you so hard up you have to make a big deal over $95?" and not saying anything about her hand. When floor asked if she said she called she said no. Floor asked the dealer if she heard the woman say call and dealer obviously said no since you would have had to snap your fingers in front of her nose to get her attention away from the game and on the action.

The woman never had to pay the $95, and proceeded to rub it in my face for the next hour. The only silver lining of the night was that she ended up dusting off about $500 before leaving.



Also the rake is pretty high, if a pot hits $10 they rake $2, all the way up to $6 at $50. I won more than one pot preflop that had $6 raked out of it with no flop seen. I'll be driving the extra half hour to a more player friendly and dealer competant casino next time I'm in town.

^^ atrocious

Ummmmm.......your story has a few holes in it.
The above section says the dealer tried to muck the cards, and the woman told him NO, I call. So obviously the dealer heard the call.
Yet later on, the floor asks the dealer and he says NO? Why would a dealer blantely lie??? No one else at the table heard call?

How could she rub it in your face after the fact?
If she is bragging I called and didn't have to pay, then you can easily have her removed form the casino.

Which of the following would be better time to visit Presque poker room:

This Wednesday (12/7) from 2pm to Thursday morning or

This Thursday (12/8) from 2pm to Friday morning

I am meeting a friend in Erie and can do either day. Looking to see if there are different games/tourneys on the days, which day has more action, etc.

Thanks

That was what was so annoying, at least two people not in the hand said they heard her call including the person who was seated the furthest from her at the other end of the table.

I don't know how the dealer could say she didn't hear the woman say call but that's what she told the floor. I think she really just wasn't paying much attention and when the crap hit the fan she sort of snapped back to reality and clammed up, she was obviously nervous about the entire thing. Just a crumby dealer acting crumby. The floor even acknowledged that players not in the hand were saying that she said call but had to go with what their dealer told them.

After the hand the villain was saying things like 'Thank you SOOOO much for calling the floor on me, look what it got you'. and "Guess we know who got the last laugh"... etc etc She alluded to the fact that she got away with it without coming straight out and saying it.

Very sorry to hear this, that is wrong. However, what the player was saying was out of line, but shouldn't reflect on the room itself.

The dealers are new yes, and they are being cycled. Tyler (who is a poster on here) is a very good dealer along with a man named Matt. I would have asked to speak to the acting manager on duty, do you know who was on the floor? As well as simply moving your seat, if the room was full take a break and go on the WL for a new table draw. Someone tilting you shouldn't ruin your experience in the room, but It can sometimes unfortunately.

I think I had a Tyler deal to me if I recall, I try to learn each dealer's name if possible and he was one of, if not the best, dealers I encountered.

The fact that some scuzzy woman got away with what she did didn't ruin the experience for me, it was definately a combination of all that had happened. I would argue that it does reflect some on the room itself however, since the dealers and floor had multiple instances in the hand to have neutralized the situation, from the dealer telling her to not discuss my hand with another person, to enforcing her river call, to the floor listening to the three people at the table saying they heard her say call...

I do know what two staff were on duty, but I won't say their names. After things had calmed down I did pull them aside and explained exactly what had happened from start to end in the hand and I think they saw things in a little different light... but it doesn't change the fact that they have many non-dedicated dealers dealing poker, and too many of the dealers are not controlling the game rather just going through the motions.

I can deal with the frequent exposed cards during the deal, or nervous/new dealers. But when dealers are consistantly so inexperienced or unattentive that it affects the outcome of my session... well like I said I'll drive the extra half hour to a casino with dealers that just deal poker, a rake that doesn't come into effect before the flop, etc.

So are the MoneyMaker Satelittes filling up each night?

Played here a couple weeks back and suffice to say I probably won't be back despite its closer proximity to cleveland. Dealers are raw and inexperienced and the rake structure is about the worst there is- 3b a fish to my right preflop after a few limps and his raise to 12, I made it 36 and everyone folded around and dealer rake $3 from the pot - $1 for bbj and $2 because there was over $20 in the pot- mind you we never saw a flop! I didn't realize we were playing California rules and was a little miffed that they took any drop from such a middling pot. Things need to change for me to consider even going back. There were also a few instances where I took the pot down preflop after a few limps and was still rake $2-3 in some cases...no thanks


Ps sorry for any typos- sent on the phone @ work

I've heard too many complaints on here and at the Casino (I work at PI Downs & Casino) about the rake in the room. It's costing the room customers and it's outlandish, I'm ashamed myself. I will be addressing the rake in the room very soon with PR Management. Not sure If I can say anything else, per 2+2 rules since I'm not a Poker Room Rep for PI Downs, but just wanted to relay this and what I plan to do.

Tubro out of curiosity have you said who you are in relation to the room?

I haven't been able to get up there in about a month, transportation issues etc....ugg

I agree about some of the dealers things. Tyler, at the very least, should 100% be dealing poker whenever he's there and a games going on. The others can deal in games they are more comfortable in.

Does anyone know how many players are currently signed up for the $200 MoneyMaker tournament on Wednesday?

Played here again last weekend. Can't see how this room makes it once Cleveland room opens. I play because its my closest options and I really want to build my roll for when Cleveland opens which according to the news should be on March 26th 2012. Dealers are overall very weak still with a few nice exceptions. Sad to say...but I find myself actually playing differently depending on the dealer. But whatever...only temporary for me. One small pet peeve I do have with this casino in general is getting ID'd constantly. Give me a break with the under 40 garbage. Use some common sense folks.