There was a game or two going at Rialto (4th and Washington street) downtown Portland about a year ago. Not sure if it's still going though.

Regarding volunteer dealers, there was a game up in La Center Washington about 20 years ago where the players took turns dealing. It went pretty smoothly but of course that was a 2 - 4 limit hold'em game. I would imagine the no limit game is much more difficult to deal.

Does the upcoming Ilani Casino have any affiliation with the existing small casinos in La Center? I find it very odd that there will be a new big tribal casino in the same small town as the existing small ones.

Reverse affiliated basically. The owner of the Phoenix/Frontier has been fighting for 30 years to keep it from happening.

Is there a Reservation near La Center? Does anyone know why it is going there?

This link has a pretty good summary of it:

http://www.columbian.com/news/2015/m...ur-reservatio/

Every other room in town is still open. Rialto's downtown. The Game is in SW Portland on Barbur. Aces Full and Claudia's are still running in inner SE Portland. Portland Meadows and Final Table are both still operating.

http://www.mutantpoker.com/?p=1634

Does anyone know of a 2/5 that runs consistently? 2/5 has been dead at Final Table + Aces, and most others rooms only spread it on Friday.


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The state of Oregon is small. The population willing to play 2/5 regularly is even smaller. It is not like LA, LV, etc or even SEA where the population is large and the amount of disposable income is higher etc etc.

There are lots of clubs that popped up all along i5 which additionally spread out the player pool. The player pool simply isn't big enough for 2/5+ to consistently run anywhere. Theres also the fact that basically any wannabe pro or serious player gravitates to 2/5 making the situation worse combined with the above.

Personally, I think if people want to play in fun, loose, deep games- a club needs to step up, and make a nl/plo mix (1/2 no straddle plo, 1/2/4 nl) and promote the hell out of the game so everyone knows where to play on what days.

Thanks for the response. Makes sense. It's interesting to me that 5/10 runs regularly at FT but not 2/5.

I think a 1/3 uncapped game would be great, especially if regulars get the straddle going.


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Pro's, wannabes and try hards generally all move to the biggest game possible.

The 5/10 they have is not sustainable. It will go the way of the dodo bird just like it did at spirit mountain (and that was when players weren't so spread out and there was more money in poker)

1/3 no cap doesn't fix the problem. The problem is 1. The skill gap between good and bad players in nlhe and 2. The large numbers of people trying to supplement their income through poker.

What happens is you have lots of grinders.. and fish that don't have a chance to win, let alone go on an upswing. Serious question- when is the last time you saw a fun player run up 1000bb stack? It doesn't happen anymore.

A plo/nlhe mix fixes both problems. Grinders/ guys who are trying to pay bills with poker are scared ****less of plo ... And the skill gap between good and bad players in plo is way lower.. And fun players actually have winning sessions! And win big!!

The trick is keeping the plo smaller so variance doesn't bust people so fast / they have a chance to go on a huge upswing etc etc.

I've been wondering if the 5/10 is sustainable. I think that some of the wannabe pros will probably go broke. However, there are a few strong players in that game and a lot of people who buy for the min and have income outside of poker. They don't have a bankroll to bust and the stronger players will continue to win off of them.

If there was rake the game would die for sure. I think FT games are sustainable for the time being. More likely FT goes out of business than the games die.

I like the PLO/NLHE mix and would definitely be interested in playing that. If you have any ideas, hit me up.

I don't think you're seeing the entire circle. I'm not saying all fun players will go bust... but eventually they all realize they never win (at least consecutively), they never win BIG.. and the players they play with (typical at least 6 guys are all serious or w/e) aren't exactly fun to be around... they take the money they would punt off there and do more interesting things.

the rake didn't kill 5/10 at spirit mountain.... the game ran because there were 3-4 very wealthy people that propped the game up. When they went busto / stopped playing.. the game died/ dropped down to 2/5 no cap.

They're actually doing this at Meadows now. They switched to allowing tips ("donations" is apparently the new buzz word that magically makes things legal) per hand at the same time so dealers are making more money and accepting the $10 fee they are ****ing paying their employer to work. To the "less predatory" comment, sure, dealers are going to put up with it because the job market is tough, and many are unemployable otherwise (not all, not majority, but a whole lot of them). Plus, how many do you think are paying taxes?

Still going strong, pretty much every night but Tuesday (although that might change; wasn't going well when it was in the main bar in the mezz). And to be clear, the game's in the Rialto OTB parlor on the corner.

Just saw on Facebook that the Encore/PDX poker owner, John Ogai has passed away.

What the heck

Do they deal themselves in the hand?

No disrespect implied but something seems odd about this. Basically one guy on Facebook posting it and one article in Portland Tribune in which he is the sole source. No corroboration.

The timing is odd but the news isn't that surprising if the gossip is to be believed

Nope.

The original Facebook post was from Dan Beecher. The article quoted Chris Vetter. Both surnames do end in "-er," but they're not the same person.

big duh by me

Any new developments in the last six weeks?



Self dealt games sound so awful. Can't imagine some of the people trying to deal out of seat 7 or 8.

From a player perspective, things are running more or less as they have for years. You can opt to shuffle and deal yourself, or you can pass it to someone else. That has always been an option in Portland, but most players prefer to let someone else do the dealing.

If you pass the deal, you lose the button as well?