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Originally Posted by darrelplant
You didn't give off an "impression", you outright said the SM regs you talked to thought the clubs were "dirty" and unsafe. Apart from the inadequate bathrooms in most locations which can get pretty ugly on busy nights, I just can't agree. And if you think there's a lack of racism among Portland business people (or others), you're seriously mistaken. Maybe that's not the reason they gave you for thinking the clubs were "dirty". Maybe they just don't like mixing with lower classes of any race. It doesn't seem to matter to a lot of other folks.
You don't really seem to understand the reason all Portland clubs offer are tournaments (which are multi-table tournaments, not sit-n-gos). They can't run actual cash games and conform to the rules governing social gaming. They're not "stiffing" anyone; if they could take a rake from a cash game to cover dealers, security, and facilities I'm sure they'd be happy to do so. But that would violate the rules. The lack of cash games has absolutely nothing to do with "dirty" clubs, and everything to do with the social gaming regulations. Sure, if casinos were legal in Oregon outside of the Native lands, there would be cash games. But shutting down the tournament card rooms isn't going to make that happen, you'd need a change to the state constitution,and that didn't fare so well last fall when the voters were asked to weigh in on allowing the poorly-named The Grange casino.
You need to work on your reading comprehension. I suggest you go back and read all of my posts itt a couple of times before replying. Yes, the SM regs think the clubs in Portland are dirty/scummy/ ripe for something to go terribly wrong, I'm not taking that back.. why would I?
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Originally Posted by Siculamente
That's great, there's obv plenty of wealthy people that play in portland clubs.. if I gave off the impression that anyone who played in portland clubs were dirty or scum or whatever, that was not my intention. But there's a big difference in levels of comfort between playing a $30 sng, and walking in with 4k+ in your pocket. You can't argue that. And deep down, those players WANT to come in with lots of money, they want to play higher, the clubs just need to give them a good enough reason to. The portland clubs just aren't up to par yet, and I wish they were.
Again, there's a big dif between a club being dirty/scummy/ possibly dangerous and the people that frequent the clubs being dirty/scummy/ dangerous.
I said no rich businessmen is going to go in there with a bunch of money to play, and you misunderstood (again lol) and basically countered with 'siculamente, there's plenty of smart, educated people/ businessmen that play the $30 nooners (lol) at the clubs, and the only ones that don't are afraid of black people' ... missing my point completely and throwing out the racial card.
If the clubs actually cared about following social gaming regulations, they wouldn't offer shoot outs in the first place. The clubs found a way to circumvent the law by offering "shoot outs". A cash game under the guise of a tournament. And what's worse is they structured it in a way that's tilting as hell to anyone who has a clue of what's going on.
So, off the top of my head the clubs are making money because they've found a way to circumvent the law by offering cash games under the guise of "shoot outs", stiffing their dealers/staff by not properly training them or helping them to improve their craft, not paying them a wage, and most importantly imo not providing an ample enough environment/ security which in general promotes shady **** to happen. It's the wild west of live poker.