I think if you go over to the main casino, find the security office and ask for the manager, you will get some help. Tell them that you need a contact for your insurance company and that your attorney needs a name, since if they won't help you, you will name them in the lawsuit.

Be very polite, but firm. Even though they say "park at your own risk, we are not liable" - that does not hold water. Especially, in light of their unwillingness to help. Been there, done that.

Sounds like one of them hit it or something and they're hoping you go away.

Ari please don't let these 8-16/15-30 players run the room with there crying and whining about everything...here is what I'm talking about

I got there at 2:30 on Thursday the 8-16 game was 5 handed but was nice...then by 3:00 the crew comes in trying to transform the game to 15/30...u can't have both so why break the 8 game for a 15 game that may not go and will break quicker....

Now the 3 hours I played these cesspool of players constantly put down management and rode the dealers like $5 rented mules....

Every dealer got verbally abused and I guarantee every dealer did not want to be there dealing that game...

Now I don't know your policy on if a player throws u a $2 chip and says chop it if he's allowed to just take it...well anyway 4 players yelled at a dealer for doing it 4 yelled at the dealer for not doing it....

Then all I heard was the classic where did u deal before here the Hilton in ac....well that's why there closed...

Then they cried about when time was collected they cried about it takes to long and u hear..."dealer were paying time" it was just constant bashing of the dealer and floors

That was the most miserable game I was ever in in my
Life...u guys don't need this game/scumbag players to succeed

Now I also played 1-2 and that was fun no *******s just the"new breed" of players

So please don't let ur employees get run over by these scum of people cuz a game like that will bring down the moral when workers have to go by the game

P.s the smoke at the bar Is non existent and the roast beef and gravy sandwiches are banging

A portion of the people coming to play 15 are not "going to the casino to play cards" they are going to play 15. And will play 8 to pass the time till enough people show up, that is how it functions. When critical mass is achieved they ask to have the 15 built. If you think of it this way, it does not "break the 8" because the 8 never really existed, you have no "right" to a game or stake. The 15 is not likely to break or break quicker, if you want you can look at the charts of past game activity, it is a regular game. Most of the players know each other, so will game build once enough show up to make sure it gets started for the night time before all the tables fill up.

If people at a game all decide amongst themselves what they want to play the casino has nothing to do with it, assuming they have an open table and a dealer free. If there are six people playing 8 and five want to go play 15 five handed, it isn't "breaking your game". In the end it is the players decision what they want to play and you have no right to be pissed at the players for wanting to play something else.

On another note, I play that game generally five days a week (no I wasn't there this time, have been away for a week) and it is one of the friendliest in the room. Mostly it is jovial and lots of fun. There are occasional outbursts but it is far from the norm to have issues. I notice you also complain about the demeanor of the 1/2 games. I am not sure what you are expecting from live casino players. If you ask, and I chat to dealers all the time, they love the 15 as it is so easy to deal (no rake, time is generally done for them, & fast for more tips).

I am not saying you are wrong for feeling upset, but trying to maybe give you a different perspective on the situation.

^^ Couldn't agree more. The 15 atmosphere was friendly yesterday too; no idea what he is talking about.

No I didn't complain about the 1-2 game I said the players are more the new breed of players(don't cry about rake dealers floors filling games points per hour) the only problem was the trash that was playing 8-16 between 2:30 and 5pm

All I'm saying is that the 15-30 game doesn't deserve anything special...and should show a little more respect to employees there .....

And trust me I'd bet my life that the 15-30 game is not the dealers fave game to deal...pushing 3-500 pots and getting the white on top of the cards prob doesn't get them to exited

Yes because the 3-500 pots obv. mean the player earns 600-1,000/hr.

Please explain how there is anything "special" they are getting?

You misunderstand the dynamic, potsize has nothing to do with tipsize. They like it because the game is dealt fast, so they make more tips by getting to deal many more hands. They lose money while sitting there waiting on someone to make a decision.

How big do think the PLO player pool is at Parx? I'm wondering if it will be a consistent game with expansion.

Hi all, please knock off the BS re telling others how to tip. Infractions will be given if it continues. See the Forum FAQ for more details on tipping issues.

I didn't say anything about tipping....all I said was 15-30 is not the dealers favorite game...these clowns here saying 15-30 is the eAsiest game to deal is sadly mistaken..

And rapini u know that the 15-30 game there will ask for more favors then anybody else

Rapini ur not hot cuz nova isn't gonna win the big east this year......are u????????

Jk

Regardless of tipping discussion

Dealers are always treated like crap by high stakes limit regulars.
The sense of entitlement of higher limit players is only eclipsed by their bitterness in the game.

I have to lean more towards Grim on the topic of the 15 game. I generally do not play the game, because I find the the 8 game (IMO) better. There are too many reg's in the 15 game, why play hard, when there is easier money to be made in the 8 game?

That said, I appreciate it when they start the 15. That clears the table of the 15 players and leaves room for others. Again, IMO that makes the 8 a better game than when it is all 15 players waiting for the 15 game to start.

True, sometimes this cases the 8 to go short (and occasionally break for a while), but often times, it will fill back up and run consistently.

All of that aside, the point is, the players decide what games start and end. No one feels any sense of entitlement about it. When enough people who want to play *any* game show up, and if there is an available table - they start the game. As it should be!

Also, I have never observed anything other than a bunch of regular players, who largely all know each other - enjoying their game. One bad experience should not categorize the general demeanor of the players or the game itself.

It's my sincere hope that after next Wednesday's expansion (however, more likely around March, when the tournaments start) that there will be a larger influx of recreational players visiting the room. That can only make things better and ideally, make more tables of both 8 and 15 available for selection.

In related news, I played in the 8 game earlier tonight for a while. There were 2 games going strong and the play was good.

I had to leave the game to go play with my nephew who wanted me to sit with him in the 4-8. All in all, that turned out good. I got slammed by the deck and managed to book a nice win. Whoda thunk it?

Everyone was quite pleasant and was having a good time at both tables, though. That has been my experience, about 99.9% of the time I play there.

I still think a big part of what is making this room successful is that management is listening to the players and trying hard to give them what they want... at all stakes.

P.S. A dealer told me that it's official. Starting with the expansion, tables will be 9-handed and the 3rd man walking rule will be strictly enforced. I didn't get a chance to confirm with Ari, but last we spoke that was the direction they were leaning.

We'll see how that goes

If anyone was there late on Friday night there was a hilarious instance of some guy at a 1/2NLHE table asking something along the lines of "you want me to smack you in the face?" to another player in an argument. This guy then reaches across the table and smacks him in the face really hard. Security escorts him out and the floor files a report as he is throwing f-bombs left and right.

As the guy heads out the entire casino spontaneously initiates a slow clap.

In other news, where is all the action and the players for a Friday night?

played parx last night, +1 that whole scene with the slapping guy was hilarious, slow clap while he was being lectured by the floor was perfect

played the PLO game until way too late, it was super juicy even though i was def one of the fish, and the regs were friendly and worked hard to recruit new players to the game

that said, Ari the majority of your dealers have MAJOR problems doing simple math. there was ONE dealer all night (can't remember his name) who kept a running count of the pot in his head for each hand. this should be the standard for every dealer. there was one dealer (i won't say who), who had to be coached by the regs on what the pot bet was nearly every time. I'm not sure what you could do to help this, as they're all taught 3x the bet + the trail or whatever and you can't bash arithmetic in their brains, but when a reg has to keep the pot count for every single action, something is seriously wrong.

the hands/hr in the PLO game was miserable, the dealers are losing tips and rake, and nobody likes to stop 4 times in a hand to have the table help the dealer figure out how much the bet is. i don't mean to be overly critical, i think the main issue is most dealers are competent enough to calculate what a pot-sized raise will be, but they only count this once raise is announced, which stops the game. What they should be doing is keeping a number in their head of what a pot-sized raise would be for each action, so that when "pot" is announced, they already know its "$145" or whatever.

looking forward to playing after the expansion, hopefully the volume of play keeps up

I came tonight after choir and played from 11:45 PM to 2:30 AM. First I ran good at a 1-2 NLHE, flopping two-pair on the turn in hand #1 and a higher-two pair on the river. Started at $200, I cashed out at $315.

Later they called a new 1-2 PLO around 1:00 AM. Bought in with $315 and cashed out with $503, thanks to two donks who I gave'em a royal washout..

We were four-handed, with two donks who were seasoned 8-16 LHE players who were roughly new to Omaha Hi and the Pot-Limit concept.

- They had no idea what "pot" meant and they're used to the LHE-style betting.
- They don't know the "best 2 hole cards + 3 board cards" requirement of composing a hand. (Meaning they've used four cards. Hahah!)
- And they can't read and analyze the board to know any drawing possibilities.

For that, I won against someone who thought she had a 10-high straight, but missed a 7. Also I won with another donk who thought TPTK was good to beat my straight. (LOL!)

Man oh man, I did come at the right time! :-)

The PLO pool is deep enough now that it runs 4-5 days a week. Hopefully after the expansion it will run 7. Once that happens we can hopefully start building a bigger game, or even a PLO/NLHE mix.

The dealers all need to be told that they should keep a running count of the pot, and that they run the game not the regs, a few do this now, they run the game well, and get a decent amount of hands/hr. We're in a situation now where mostly the dealer doesn't have the pot, and doesn't bother because they know 3-5 people will chime in and then they all start arguing over what the bet is. All the dealers have been trained 3x the facing bet + the trail in PL, which is the same as match the facing bet then count the pot and thats the raise, but several people don't understand that and will argue and then it just becomes a cluster. If the dealer just keeps a running count of the pot in their head, and has the attitude that I run the game not the players, then it isn't an issue, and all the assistant dealers can relax.

The 1-2 structure makes the arithmetic difficult, and the game should really be played with a 5 dollar bring in, this would make the opening raise 20, and all the subsequent bets in increments of 5 or 10, rather than 2. I was told that a 5 bring in was not approved by PAGCB, but I just found out they have that very structure at Rivers Casino in Pittsburgh. We need to change this ASAP for the long term health of PLO at Parx.

Ok the floor charged us time for the first half hour after we bumped the game up to 15/30. Shouldn't happen.

The female dealer delayed the game by having to call the floor over to ask if a player doesn't miss a hand if the small blind is live. Shouldn't happen.

The floor is unwilling to talk to players that want to start a game that they can charge higher time for. Shouldn't happen.

You call people scum that you don't even know and leave the game that we all paid time to start and show up 40 minutes later and beat both time charges. Shouldn't happen.

You have no clue what u are talking about and that is probably why u can't afford to play 15/30 and wanted to keep the game 8/16 when every other player in the game wanted to play 15.

fwiw i've played at the rivers 1/3 PLO and it runs like that and is awesome
1) the 1-3-5 structure makes it way easier for the dealers+players to count pot, none of the dealers have problems and action moves swiftly
2) it creates way more pf action without the regs bartering for a $5 blind bet, but its still listed at 1-3 PLO with a $100 min, so it still brings in the small stakes recreational players
3) theres no max buy in b/c "who needs a max its only pot limit" (lol)- also awesome
its a small room and they rarely get NL games >2/5, the PLO is the biggest nightly game in the room

Ari, this sounds awesome, we need to make it happen at Parx!

I want to play PLO and I've been waiting in the wings until it expands. Would love to play a bigger game. Wouldn't mind a mix game either, especially if it brings some interest and crossover from NLHE players.

On another note, I always thought there was a market for some type of pot counting calculator.

I'm hoping for 8/16 HOSE (would settle for 4/8 though) after the expansion.

Huh? What could the "policy" question possibly be here? If you ask the dealer to chop a chip, you are asking for change (usually to us as a subsequent tip)....how could any dealer ever think it is right to just take the chip??

Do the games run sporadically on the days it does, or has Parx set specific times??