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Old 06-23-2010, 06:55 PM   #201
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Just to piggy back on my last post. We need to get our room established. Let's get it right. And if there's a demand for RAZZ, then I'm for it. I just want this room to rock. It's the perfect location for poker players of all levels.

This room could rival Borgata with proper care. Hopefully a small 1,500 hundred concert venue is in the works. I'd love to see some kick ass bands 15 minutes from house.

Let's all work together to make this the best room on the East Coast.

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Old 06-23-2010, 07:12 PM   #202
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There is a good reason u havent seen a Razz game in AC--- It isn't legal in NJ.
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Old 06-23-2010, 09:18 PM   #203
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Just to piggy back on my last post. We need to get our room established. Let's get it right. And if there's a demand for RAZZ, then I'm for it. I just want this room to rock. It's the perfect location for poker players of all levels.

This room could rival Borgata with proper care. Hopefully a small 1,500 hundred concert venue is in the works. I'd love to see some kick ass bands 15 minutes from house.

Let's all work together to make this the best room on the East Coast.

that is all,
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Has PARX applied for permission to spread poker yet? Other than 10 automated tables? (edit: those 10 automated tables are 3-card poker)

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Thank you for posting the same thing again, it is much more informative than the last time you posted it.
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Thank you for posting the same thing again, it is much more informative than the last time you posted it.
More informative than everyone pretending PARX will have poker anytime soon. At least he stated FACTS instead of all these pipe dreams of what limits they will spread in their non-existent poker room.
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Old 06-23-2010, 10:41 PM   #206
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There is a good reason u havent seen a Razz game in AC--- It isn't legal in NJ.
Or in PA according to the present PGCB regulations unless something happens before next month's openings.
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Or in PA according to the present PGCB regulations unless something happens before next month's openings.
Correct, because they essentially copied the AC regulations.

And in response to the lame "internet tough guy" sarcasm routine, which is not at all played and useless, I asked it again because the poster who apparently has an official capacity with PARX never answered it. It's kind of an important question, don't you think?

As of today, neither Philly casino (the one that is built and the one that isn't) has asked the PGCB for permission to spread poker. As someone who is in Philly for business fairly often, I'd like to know that a poker room may become a reality at some point.

At this point, it seems like PARX may be planning to wait and see how the other table games go before even applying for poker. Maybe Ari's bosses haven't told him that, and certainly I could be wrong, but they spent a lot of money on lawyers and public hearings without any poker request so far...
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And in response to the lame "internet tough guy" sarcasm routine, which is not at all played and useless, I asked it again because the poster who apparently has an official capacity with PARX never answered it. It's kind of an important question, don't you think?

As of today, neither Philly casino (the one that is built and the one that isn't) has asked the PGCB for permission to spread poker. As someone who is in Philly for business fairly often, I'd like to know that a poker room may become a reality at some point.

At this point, it seems like PARX may be planning to wait and see how the other table games go before even applying for poker. Maybe Ari's bosses haven't told him that, and certainly I could be wrong, but they spent a lot of money on lawyers and public hearings without any poker request so far...
This "Ari" person has made 4 posts and disappeared. While he alluded to having a connection with PARX he never stated he was truly associated with them.

I'll have a poker room ~11 miles from my house next month so I'm not really worried about Philly. It's just funny to see everyone get all worked up about PARX.
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Old 06-24-2010, 01:48 AM   #209
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More informative than everyone pretending PARX will have poker anytime soon. At least he stated FACTS instead of all these pipe dreams of what limits they will spread in their non-existent poker room.
First lets look at the two polarized groups we seemed to have developed here.

Group A: People who believe that there is a strong possibility of there being poker at Parx in October discussing their intentions and availability with each other. This accomplishes piquing peoples interest in the possible outcome, and starts momentum on levels of interest in certain games and structures. It allows those folks to be able to contact each other if and when things solidify. In a forum context it is more profitable to have a long term discussion about these things so there are more opportunities for potential stake/structure interested people to come across the information. The downside is the potential that it does not materialize as quickly as possible, the value of the discussion is not diminished as the people are aware of each other and their intentions.

Group B: The people who for whatever reason continue to come to the thread with the point that "Parx has not filed, don't talk about Parx"

What is the intention and benefit brought about by this line of discussion?

No one here is arguing that Parx has filed with the state. Everyone is aware they have not filed. Most do not consider it as damning as some, most believe there is an ability to file an addendum to their original filing.

As far as the amount of information distributed by casinos, I think it is pretty obvious that the casinos are obfuscated at best about their intentions and commitments. So it should not be surprising that this one is not as clear as it could be, that does not alone prove that they have no intentions.

As far as the believed card room manager, here are snippets from a professional format detailing the individuals current position and a few past employers.
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(Privately Held; Gambling & Casinos industry)

May 2010 — Present (2 months)

Responsible for the opening of the poker room at parx casino. Responsiblities include hiring, training, writing controls, advertising, marketing, etc.
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Harrah's Entertainment (Bally's AC)

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April 2010 — May 2010 (2 months)

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Channel Marketing Manager AC Region
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July 2009 — April 2010 (10 months)

Responsible for the strategy and execution for all non-traditional media for the AC region (email, social, online-media, and website management)
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Harrah's Entertainment

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July 2007 — July 2009 (2 years 1 month)

Whether or not every single thing is accurate, most signs point the likelihood that a poker room will open on Parx ground at some point in the near future. And with that in mind people are discussing their intentions and hopes surrounding the room.

Mostly I am confused by the actions of someone who self admittedly has no stake in the outcome of the situation. And as such is purely trollling.
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Old 06-24-2010, 01:55 AM   #210
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From what I have heard (grain of salt) Sugarhouse has no intention of having a poker room in the immediate future due to space limitations. Clearly Harrah's Chester will be the first Philly poker environment with 25 tables on Friday July 16th.
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First lets look at the two polarized groups we seemed to have developed here.

Group A: People who believe that there is a strong possibility of there being poker at Parx in October discussing their intentions and availability with each other. This accomplishes piquing peoples interest in the possible outcome, and starts momentum on levels of interest in certain games and structures. It allows those folks to be able to contact each other if and when things solidify. In a forum context it is more profitable to have a long term discussion about these things so there are more opportunities for potential stake/structure interested people to come across the information. The downside is the potential that it does not materialize as quickly as possible, the value of the discussion is not diminished as the people are aware of each other and their intentions.
I'm not sure how 'profitable' it is to publish a wish list of games/stakes including games not approved in PA.

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Group B: The people who for whatever reason continue to come to the thread with the point that "Parx has not filed, don't talk about Parx"
Please don't put words in my mouth. I, nor anyone else in this thread, have said "don't talk about Parx".

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What is the intention and benefit brought about by this line of discussion?

No one here is arguing that Parx has filed with the state. Everyone is aware they have not filed. Most do not consider it as damning as some, most believe there is an ability to file an addendum to their original filing.
I would love to hear any credible reason why a casino would not file for poker if their intent were to have poker in the very near (October?) time frame. The casinos that are really opening their poker rooms next month filed way back last winter.

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As far as the amount of information distributed by casinos, I think it is pretty obvious that the casinos are obfuscated at best about their intentions and commitments. So it should not be surprising that this one is not as clear as it could be, that does not alone prove that they have no intentions.

As far as the believed card room manager, here are snippets from a professional format detailing the individuals current position and a few past employers.
Would you mind sharing where you snipped from this "professional format" and how you are tying this to the person with 4 posts on 2+2 with the username "Ari"?

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Whether or not every single thing is accurate, most signs point the likelihood that a poker room will open on Parx ground at some point in the near future. And with that in mind people are discussing their intentions and hopes surrounding the room.
I will give you credit for actually using the words hopes and likelihood. Most of the dreamers ITT have tried stating their beliefs as hard facts without any shred of evidence of their existence.

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Mostly I am confused by the actions of someone who self admittedly has no stake in the outcome of the situation. And as such is purely trollling.
Meh, not trolling, I'm just the kind of guy who likes to call BS on people.

As far as having no stake in the matter, as a resident of PA I do have somewhat of an interest in the licensing of casinos in my state for which table games was/is supposed to help with budgetary shortfalls.

For that matter, PARX or any other casino in PA would probably make much more money using the floor space for table games such as BJ rather than poker. From a personal standpoint I NEVER play BJ or any other table games and the only reason I would have to even enter a casino is for poker so I am glad to see poker finally coming to PA. Case in point I have never stepped foot in Hollywood (Grantville) even though it is ~11 miles from my house since til now it has only been a slot parlor in my mind.
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Old 06-24-2010, 10:41 AM   #212
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It's not trolling to inject realism into a thread, but I am happy to stop posing relevant questions to the poster purporting to have knowledge of the subject if that will make you happy.

As of right now, poker in Philly is "vaporware." That sucks, and I hope it changes in the near future.
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Old 06-24-2010, 12:49 PM   #213
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Hi All,

I apologize for not answering recent questions in a timely manner. As I commented in a previous post, we plan on having a poker room sometime this fall with approximately 35 tables. As most of you have stated, the regulations are very similar to AC. I greatly appreciate everyones input on game spread and limits, as we make final decisions I will be able answer more questions. We intend on submitting for poker sometime in the near future.

Thank you again for all of your interest in poker at parx, we will strive to be the premiere poker room in PA.

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It's not trolling to inject realism into a thread, but I am happy to stop posing relevant questions to the poster purporting to have knowledge of the subject if that will make you happy.

As of right now, poker in Philly is "vaporware." That sucks, and I hope it changes in the near future.
As far as the pressing of the individual, can you not see that they are most likely not allowed to talk about it? If you work in a large corporate structure it rarely behooves you to "announce" things until actual declarations are ready. Clearly your question is unanswerable at this moment and thus being passed over.

"poker in Philly" is FAR from vaporware, Harrah's Chester is fully built and opening in July. For some of us Parx is not only closer but more likely to be the better / more well run room so hence the more active discussion.
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Old 06-24-2010, 02:31 PM   #215
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I love how you wrote that right below the post answering my question. Well done.n I guess they are allowed to talk about it while hyping the room, so good to know.

Although close, and closer than the other rooms opening up or AC, Harrah's Chester is not in Philly. Even us rubes on the western side of the state can recognize that subtle point of geography. I was directly referencing the lack of approved poker rooms in the city of Philadelphia, which is a real shame because I believe they'd do very well. Here's hoping that changes in the near future, as Ari has stated.
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I'm not sure how 'profitable' it is to publish a wish list of games/stakes including games not approved in PA.
As far as games not currently spreadable, I would say it is very profitable as it lets the people following this in the industry and cardrooms know what people are looking for and potentially spur them into moving towards making them possible.

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Please don't put words in my mouth. I, nor anyone else in this thread, have said "don't talk about Parx".
I clarify: "don't talk about poker being played at Parx, until they have filed and made a corporate statement, or you will be called a bunch of derogatory names"

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I would love to hear any credible reason why a casino would not file for poker if their intent were to have poker in the very near (October?) time frame. The casinos that are really opening their poker rooms next month filed way back last winter.
I will give my impressions which are obviously layman's. In order to file, you just can't say "I want to have a poker room" you have to have a formal plan with a room plan and lots of your ducks in a row. There has been flip flopping about which building Parx was going to put the poker room in, be it either the new casino or the old racetrack building. There was word it would be in the main building until the horsemen (who have to by law be kept happy to keep their casino license) threw a fit about the state of the racetrack building falling into disarray. This likely shaped the now current plan to put the poker tables into the racetrack building as part of an upgrade to the facility or "phase 2" as it was called. Obviously as casinos main concern is to get the pit running, if the poker room plans were not ready they would have to be filed later on as not to possibly delay the implementation of the pit. I am not personally (and no offense, but I have to doubt any of us involved in this discussion) aware of the exacting minutia of how long a filing takes, hell it could take a few days to months. Obviously it stands to reason that the sooner you file the better to prevent possible delays. But it is far from damning evidence to say that because earlier pit filings occurred (due to said reasons above) that poker can not be filed for on short (3 months) notice later on.

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Would you mind sharing where you snipped from this "professional format" and how you are tying this to the person with 4 posts on 2+2 with the username "Ari"?
I am not interested in divulging more of this persons identity as I do not know him personally and subjecting him to more scrutiny by a public forum is not my business. I pulled that from the individuals resume on a corporate contact site. It has been discussed several times by people close to the situation that Ari would be running the room. You can choose to believe it or not, as it has little bearing on the outcome of this discussion or the room itself. I am clearly not just a random kid making up hoaxes ala "Parx Poker Room Manager" saying "Hey dudez! Parx will totally have poker next week! Come check it out lol!".

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I will give you credit for actually using the words hopes and likelihood. Most of the dreamers ITT have tried stating their beliefs as hard facts without any shred of evidence of their existence.
If they do or don't understand that something not in place may or may not end up there is not of my concern. Seeing how many people express interest in a regular mid tier limit hold em in a casino 14 miles from my house is of great concern to me though. And it behooves me to encourage any and all discourse surrounding that topic.

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Meh, not trolling, I'm just the kind of guy who likes to call BS on people.

As far as having no stake in the matter, as a resident of PA I do have somewhat of an interest in the licensing of casinos in my state for which table games was/is supposed to help with budgetary shortfalls.

For that matter, PARX or any other casino in PA would probably make much more money using the floor space for table games such as BJ rather than poker. From a personal standpoint I NEVER play BJ or any other table games and the only reason I would have to even enter a casino is for poker so I am glad to see poker finally coming to PA. Case in point I have never stepped foot in Hollywood (Grantville) even though it is ~11 miles from my house since til now it has only been a slot parlor in my mind.
That first statement is a touch self contradicting to me : ) but I surely wouldn't press the matter.

As far as casinos making more money, I concur on a foot for foot basis, but as has been discussed ad nauseum here, poker rooms offer many tertiary benefits that offer an overall revenue increase. And with Parx, the space the poker room is supposedly occupying is currently dead empty space.

And I also am beyond ecstatic about poker in PA, and especially poker in Parx.
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I love how you wrote that right below the post answering my question. Well done.n I guess they are allowed to talk about it while hyping the room, so good to know.

Although close, and closer than the other rooms opening up or AC, Harrah's Chester is not in Philly. Even us rubes on the western side of the state can recognize that subtle point of geography. I was directly referencing the lack of approved poker rooms in the city of Philadelphia, which is a real shame because I believe they'd do very well. Here's hoping that changes in the near future, as Ari has stated.
I find it terribly amusing that you accuse me of being confrontational, if you don't know how to have a normal conversation I have no interest in speaking to you "well done".
If by logic you do not accept the validity of the poster Ari as a voice Parx Poker, and you wouldn't accept declarations of "in the future" before it stands to reason that you would not accept this batch of assurances either.

The "rube on the western side of the state" should know that Harrah's Chester is pretty much equidistant from center city Philadelphia to Parx.

Driving directions to PARX Casino
18.7 mi 24 mins

Driving directions to Harrah's Chester Casino & Racetrack
16.7 mi – about 24 mins

The only casino actually "in" Philadelphia that has any roots yet, is Sugarhouse. And there is practically no information surrounding poker there even remotely soon.
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Not that 35 tables is chop liver, but I thought Parx was shooting for 100 tables. By the way, for those of us that live north/northeast of Philly, Parx is significantly closer than Harrah's Chester. For me personally, Mapquest says I have a 23 minute commute to Parx, and a 46 minute commute to Harrah's.

That being said, Harrah's is only half the commute that AC is for me, so I'm definitely looking forward to July 16th, provided they have good 2/5 NL action.
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Not that 35 tables is chop liver, but I thought Parx was shooting for 100 tables.
Reality is not popular in this thread but per PGCB:

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In their most recent addendum to their petition they requested 57 banking table games. IF they had requested non-banking tables they could have only requested 25.

57 banking + 25 non-banking = 82 total tables

30% of 82 is 24.6

Of course it depends how PGCB would round up the decimals.
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What kind of rake will they have on the crazy pineapple game?
Will it be able to win the bad beat jackpot?
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I clarify: "don't talk about poker being played at Parx, until they have filed and made a corporate statement, or you will be called a bunch of derogatory names"
Please cite one derogatory name I have called anyone in any posting on 2+2. OK - there was on thread in the Home Poker forum where I called a guy a douche but he was one.

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I will give my impressions which are obviously layman's. In order to file, you just can't say "I want to have a poker room" you have to have a formal plan with a room plan and lots of your ducks in a row. There has been flip flopping about which building Parx was going to put the poker room in, be it either the new casino or the old racetrack building. There was word it would be in the main building until the horsemen (who have to by law be kept happy to keep their casino license) threw a fit about the state of the racetrack building falling into disarray. This likely shaped the now current plan to put the poker tables into the racetrack building as part of an upgrade to the facility or "phase 2" as it was called. Obviously as casinos main concern is to get the pit running, if the poker room plans were not ready they would have to be filed later on as not to possibly delay the implementation of the pit. I am not personally (and no offense, but I have to doubt any of us involved in this discussion) aware of the exacting minutia of how long a filing takes, hell it could take a few days to months. Obviously it stands to reason that the sooner you file the better to prevent possible delays. But it is far from damning evidence to say that because earlier pit filings occurred (due to said reasons above) that poker can not be filed for on short (3 months) notice later on.
Which current plan is this?

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If they do or don't understand that something not in place may or may not end up there is not of my concern. Seeing how many people express interest in a regular mid tier limit hold em in a casino 14 miles from my house is of great concern to me though. And it behooves me to encourage any and all discourse surrounding that topic.
I guess I'm just a realist. If I lived 14 miles from PARX and it was important to me for them to open a poker room I would be focusing on getting them to officially commit to opening a poker room (i.e. - filing) before worrying about what specific limits they would be spreading (as almost every casino I've ever seen will spread what the customers demand) or as another poster asked, the rake for crazy pineapple - a game not yet approved for PA.
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I heard they will have blue unicorns distributing free drinks in the poker room, does anyone know if that will be only for the grand opening?
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Please cite one derogatory name I have called anyone in any posting on 2+2. OK - there was on thread in the Home Poker forum where I called a guy a douche but he was one.
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Which current plan is this?
It has been mentioned many times by multiple sources that the plan is to build the poker room in the racetrack building, I am lazy at this point though and am not going to scour the threads and internet to find all references. Take my word for what it is worth to you (and yes I already know that is not much) that the the general consensus is that the room will be in that location.

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I guess I'm just a realist. If I lived 14 miles from PARX and it was important to me for them to open a poker room I would be focusing on getting them to officially commit to opening a poker room (i.e. - filing) before worrying about what specific limits they would be spreading (as almost every casino I've ever seen will spread what the customers demand) or as another poster asked, the rake for crazy pineapple - a game not yet approved for PA.
As a fellow realist, I realize that there is absolutely nothing I as an individual can do to even remotely accelerate the process of a corporate entity in their dealings. It would be tantamount to kicking an iceberg. And I fully realize that casinos will spread any game they legally can if people want to play it. But I am definitely interested in seeing what types of stake people are interested in and how many people are looking to play midstakes limit holdem. As far as the games not yet allowed, who cares that people are posting about it? Just glaze over it, it does no one any harm.
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I'm interested in 15/30 limit hold'em, but not if it is a must move game.
What kind of rake will there be, and will there be a bad beat jackpot drop?
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Old 06-24-2010, 05:44 PM   #225
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Re: PARX Poker Thread

What is being done right now with the old Philly park casino? Is it closed? Or only open for the ponies? They could turn that place into the ultimate Poker Palace.

I hope PARX gets poker soon, but in the meantime...... less than a month away, Harrah's!!!! HIP HIP HOOORAY!

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