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Old 12-07-2010, 03:58 AM   #2126
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Ari....what count did you get? It looks about even to me. If you're gonna make a change,the 9 vote should be SUBSTANTIALLY more. Unless Parx is lookin for more rake,then it doesn't matter what the vote count is....you're gonna do what you wanna do.
It always amazes me how ppl want to fix something that ain't broke. Don't try and justify someones mistake by ordering the smaller tables. What....to save a few bucks?

With all the complaints about smoking.... I haven't seen you comment once. I guess dealing with a minimal loss of space at the table is more important then people's health.

Please keep it 10 handed.
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Old 12-07-2010, 04:48 AM   #2127
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I think there is some confusion here, you are picked up off the table after 45 minutes of not being there.

To go on a dinner list you pick up your chips and speak to the floor. When you return back from dinner you are placed at the top of the list for the next seat in order of departure. This is definitely the way to go if you are leaving the site. I have not heard a cap on the dinner list time, but can't imagine it would be less than two hours.
No confusion from me anyway. I know how the dinner list works, and it usually has a time limit. I THINK the limit at Parx right now is 1 hour, but I might be mistaken. If it's two hours, that'd be great.
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Old 12-07-2010, 11:16 AM   #2128
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Ari....what count did you get? It looks about even to me. If you're gonna make a change,the 9 vote should be SUBSTANTIALLY more. Unless Parx is lookin for more rake,then it doesn't matter what the vote count is....you're gonna do what you wanna do.
It always amazes me how ppl want to fix something that ain't broke. Don't try and justify someones mistake by ordering the smaller tables. What....to save a few bucks?

With all the complaints about smoking.... I haven't seen you comment once. I guess dealing with a minimal loss of space at the table is more important then people's health.

Please keep it 10 handed.
I have brought this to senior managements attention and we are looking at ways to improve the air quality.

As for the 9 vs. 10 handed games, we are still milling it over. I post these types of questions because I value all of your opinions.
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Old 12-07-2010, 11:18 AM   #2129
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I post these types of questions because I value all of your opinions.
thank you! please don't let one guy's bloated sense of entitlement and attitude turn you off from the forum.
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Old 12-07-2010, 11:45 AM   #2130
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Thanks Ari.

We know you care. What ever the outcome, some will not like it. Cant satisfied them all....
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Old 12-07-2010, 11:50 AM   #2131
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My thoughts:

Smoking : Try to vent the air out against the direction of the tables will help. No big deal if you cant smell it.

9 vs. 10 : Why not have 9 seats at normal time. If room gets crowded and many on the waiting list, then shove an extra chair in there and make it 10. Be dynamic and go with the flow.
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Old 12-07-2010, 12:07 PM   #2132
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I think the only thing hurting this room right now is:

Not the smoking (I sat near the bar again and had no issue on Saturday night)

Not the table size (I am sorry but fish do not care about the table size and they are who I want to play)

Not the comps (Even though 5/10 NL players should get more comp than 1/2 NL players)

It is the wait times!!!

Once the expansion occurs I think the waits times will dimish somewhat but this may be countered by more people coming due to the table games and non-regulars who want to play but not for a two hour wait. Therefore, making games 9 handed could possibly keep wait times a fixture on weekends which will hurt the games in the long run.

Also, while action online in short games improves I am not convinced this holds true live. Even when people do not chop in a short game, raises drop in a short game and you have fewer multi-way pots.

I think short games are bad for the game. So keep the tables at 10!
Good point about the wait times. Also, at least for limit games I'd have to agree 10 players is better. Buy some new tables after the expansion?
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Old 12-07-2010, 12:10 PM   #2133
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It seems the limit players prefer 10 handed so just make the limit tables 10 and nl 9 all are appeased.
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Old 12-07-2010, 12:48 PM   #2134
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9 vs 10 is kind of a dumb debate. I'd prefer 9 but whatever.

I'm there 30 hours+ a week playing 2/5 and I would LOVE a permanent 6max game at half rake but it probably won't ever happen. 6 is a much more substantial difference.

Any plans to make a 2/5 must move table? I think it would help the floor a lot since I still see people jumping in to games.
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Old 12-07-2010, 12:50 PM   #2135
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Also, could you indicate the wait list length on the online poker report? Would help me gauge when/whether I should call in.
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Old 12-07-2010, 12:53 PM   #2136
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If I may...

We asked for no-flop/no-drop. Got it.
We asked for time v. rake at 8/16. Got it.
We asked for improved security and lighting in the parking lot. Got it.
We asked for free bottled water. Got it.
We asked for web/pda game reports. Got it.
We asked for call in seating. Got it.
We asked for 3rd man walking rule. Got it.
We asked for ash trays removed from bathrooms. Got it.
We asked for removal of $2chips from 2-5NL. Got it.

I'm sure that I missed something... but, do you see a pattern here?????

Some of the other issues (smoking, table size, seating, free cocktails, etc.) are a little more difficult to find the best solution. But, they are being addressed. In some of these cases, there may not be an answer that will satisfy 100% of the players.

Sometimes we all get caught up in our own little "pet peeve" world (I am guilty of this, too) and we lose track of just how far we've come in this room, since opening day.
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Old 12-07-2010, 12:55 PM   #2137
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Visited PARX for the first time last Wednesday afternoon and just wanted to add my thoughts from my limited experience there.

- well run room for being so new with lots of potential.

- tables were a little too cramped for my liking. I prefer playing 10 handed, but if forced to choose I vote for 9 handed because of the comfort factor. With the ideal being solving the cramped issue and playing 10 handed with bigger tables.

-games were decent at 2/5 with quite a few regs , but enough fish to make it work

-was not happy about the restrooms. Having the one large restroom is perfect and it's great that it is so close. It just wasn't very clean. That poker room is more then big enough to justify having an attendent on duty at all times. It was really disappointing for it to be that smelly and dirty on a Wednesday afternoon.
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Old 12-07-2010, 01:12 PM   #2138
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If I may...

We asked for no-flop/no-drop. Got it.
We asked for time v. rake at 8/16. Got it.
We asked for improved security and lighting in the parking lot. Got it.
We asked for free bottled water. Got it.
We asked for web/pda game reports. Got it.
We asked for call in seating. Got it.
We asked for 3rd man walking rule. Got it.
We asked for ash trays removed from bathrooms. Got it.
We asked for removal of $2chips from 2-5NL. Got it.
I just wanted to "second" this post that Ari has been doing a great job listening to the players. It's often easy to complain about something we don't like and forget to give a big "Thank You!" for things that have changed for the better. Not everyone will be happy with every decision and some decisions need to be made for business reasons, but it's good to know that management is listening to the players and contemplating changes based on player input. I'm not an everyday player - I'm only a once a week player - but I really like this room and have to say it has the best management team around.
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Old 12-07-2010, 01:35 PM   #2139
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If I may...

We asked for no-flop/no-drop. Got it.
We asked for time v. rake at 8/16. Got it.
We asked for improved security and lighting in the parking lot. Got it.
We asked for free bottled water. Got it.
We asked for web/pda game reports. Got it.
We asked for call in seating. Got it.
We asked for 3rd man walking rule. Got it.
We asked for ash trays removed from bathrooms. Got it.
We asked for removal of $2chips from 2-5NL. Got it.

I'm sure that I missed something... but, do you see a pattern here?????

Some of the other issues (smoking, table size, seating, free cocktails, etc.) are a little more difficult to find the best solution. But, they are being addressed. In some of these cases, there may not be an answer that will satisfy 100% of the players.

Sometimes we all get caught up in our own little "pet peeve" world (I am guilty of this, too) and we lose track of just how far we've come in this room, since opening day.
+1million

This has been the key for Parx, imo. Management that "gets poker", cares about the players and wants to make the room the best it can be. If a room has that, all other issues can be solved, its just a matter of time.
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Old 12-07-2010, 02:06 PM   #2140
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The more I read about the 9 or 10 handed debate, the more I am inclined to agree with IFSATG. 10 handed is better, and if the tables go to 9 handed then a 3rd person walking rule needs to be used and enforced.

One thing that I've noticed, not at Parx per se but in poker rooms in general, is that whatever the time allowed for players to be absent from the table is officially allowed - that time limit is usually unevenly enforced. Some dealers don't put out absent buttons when they should, some dealers and floor don't know/agree on what the rule is, etc.

Whatever the rules are - they absolutely need to be uniform, and strictly enforced!

Thank you.

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Old 12-07-2010, 02:15 PM   #2141
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Didn't mean to sound whiny. This room is very well run and their responsiveness to the people who have already logged hundreds of hours in the room is commendable. Big thanks to Ari.

That said, the food blows. And why do hot dogs not come with chips anymore?

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Old 12-07-2010, 02:36 PM   #2142
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We asked for no-flop/no-drop. Got it
wow...just played on sat night and there were a few dealers that pulled rake without a flop...maybe they didn't hear this changed? Are you sure this is the case? does it apply to NL?
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Old 12-07-2010, 02:55 PM   #2143
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I've heard the expansion downstairs is going to include a Noodle House, so that should be a huge improvement.
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Old 12-07-2010, 03:03 PM   #2144
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I've heard the expansion downstairs is going to include a Noodle House, so that should be a huge improvement.
If the noodle house at parx is half as good as noodles of the world in the borgata, We should all be very thankful!
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Old 12-07-2010, 03:24 PM   #2145
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wow...just played on sat night and there were a few dealers that pulled rake without a flop...maybe they didn't hear this changed? Are you sure this is the case? does it apply to NL?
Yes. and Yes.

From 11/9/2010
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They just told all the dealers no flop no drop. Thank you Ari!
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Old 12-07-2010, 03:27 PM   #2146
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The more I read about the 9 or 10 handed debate, the more I am inclined to agree with IFSATG. 10 handed is better, and if the tables go to 9 handed then a 3rd person walking rule needs to be used and enforced.

One thing that I've noticed, not at Parx per se but in poker rooms in general, is that whatever the time allowed for players to be absent from the table is officially allowed - that time limit is usually unevenly enforced. Some dealers don't put out absent buttons when they should, some dealers and floor don't know/agree on what the rule is, etc.

Whatever the rules are - they absolutely need to be uniform, and strictly enforced!

Thank you.

Lee
I think Ari said (and I hope that I am paraphrasing correctly here) that the 3rd man rule will be instituted regardless of 9/10 player seating. This is such a good rule in general, that if enforced uniformly and consistently, will be a big help in keeping the tables as full as possible.

Edit: Ooopppsss... clarifying. Ari only agreed to 3MW rule, if they go to 9handed. sorry.

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If we go to 9 handed, we would use the 3rd man walking rule. All this feedback is great, thank you.
Adding shameless plug to make the 3MW rule apply now, even if we do not go to 9 handed tables

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Old 12-07-2010, 03:47 PM   #2147
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Adding shameless plug to make the 3MW rule apply now, even if we do not go to 9 handed tables
I like it. 3mw is a good rule and definitely should be implemented, 9 or 10.
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Old 12-07-2010, 03:51 PM   #2148
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You sure about the $2 chip being nixed at 2/5? I've still been seeing it.

How do you guys feel about the rule that you can only call clock if you are in the hand with cards?
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Old 12-07-2010, 04:06 PM   #2149
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Yes. and Yes.

From 11/9/2010
ok thanks...like I said just played there sat and saw dealers raking with no flop...also $2 chips did play and someone also asked a dealer if $500 chips play (at $2/$5 NL and he said yes..although no one actually used it).

I'll keep my eyes out for that for sure.
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Old 12-07-2010, 04:06 PM   #2150
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You sure about the $2 chip being nixed at 2/5? I've still been seeing it.

How do you guys feel about the rule that you can only call clock if you are in the hand with cards?
a floorman actually came over and told us that this rule was most likely going to be changed very shortly
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