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Old 12-04-2010, 01:00 AM   #2026
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Re: PARX Poker Thread

It is quite safe, the area itself around the casino is suburban strip malls and grocery stores. In the lot are regular security patrols, if you feel at all unsure about leaving you can always ask for a security escort out and tip them.
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Old 12-04-2010, 01:11 AM   #2027
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It must be the holiday season, but I expected it to more crowded tonight. It looked like all the tables were in play, however, there were not many people standing around waiting for seats. I was on the list for all the limit games and got a seat in the O8 game, within 5 minutes of arriving. I played one orbit and was called for the 4-8. I moved over there, as I waited for a seat in the 8 or 15 game to open.

I gotta give props to the Asian chick working the floor in our section. She was not only very friendly, but also filled empty seats very quickly. Cocktail service seemed to be better than usual tonight, but they still could use another hottie to schlep drinks. I hope that when the expansion comes, they'll add several more.

The 4-8 was pretty good. So good, in fact, that I passed when they called me for the 8-16 game. We had a couple solid players, 4-5 pure calling station ATM's and the guy in the 8 seat played every hand, for any amount - usually to the river. He was getting hit in the head with the deck for a while, but donated regularly back to table. He dragged a monster pot with 62s UTG+1, calling the UTG raise and the 3 bet, when it came back around to him. Other than that, 5-6 usually saw the flop and the 3 calling stations were there to pay off river bets. Good game.

There were several folks smoking at the bar most of the night, yet I didn't really notice the smell and when I got home, I couldn't smell it in my clothes. Not to start the smoking debate again, however.

One of the floor people told me that the pit game tables arrived for the other gaming this week. He said that they are going to have Pai-Gow (both cards & tiles), in addition to BJ, Craps and Roulette. Everything seems to be on track for a 12/22 opening of the expanded poker room. Let's hope that will draw some fresh blood into the poker room.

It seems to be overly populated right now with regulars. I see so many of the same faces in all the games (that I play, anyway). Not that they are all that good, but it still would be very nice to get some "wanderers" in the room.

Overall, the operational improvements are quite noticeable. The staff seem to be really hitting their stride now. Perhaps, there may be a hiccup, at the beginning of the expansion - since they are almost doubling the size of the room. But, volume aside, I think they are ready to go and I'm expecting good things.
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Old 12-04-2010, 02:06 AM   #2028
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It seems to be overly populated right now with regulars. I see so many of the same faces in all the games (that I play, anyway). Not that they are all that good, but it still would be very nice to get some "wanderers" in the room.
This. Today was my fifth trip to Parx and when I sat down I recognized half the people at my table. The other half were also regulars, just not that I'd played with before. I was surprised it wasn't busier and fishier on a Friday after work hours.
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Old 12-04-2010, 12:04 PM   #2029
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This. Today was my fifth trip to Parx and when I sat down I recognized half the people at my table. The other half were also regulars, just not that I'd played with before. I was surprised it wasn't busier and fishier on a Friday after work hours.
Its likely that the expansion would help this immensely as table games downstairs would bring more wandering interest up to the card room and more poker tables would expect to see more interest games get started and some more diverse stakes games as well. As it stands now, on a busy weekend night you can see 60% capacity spread at 1/2nl. That may be good for the business' bottom line but also turn alot of players away.
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Old 12-04-2010, 12:16 PM   #2030
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expansion will help bring in more weaker players. I am not going till then because in the 5 or 6 times i have gone to the parx and i seem to recognize at least half the table. I play 2/5. When I look at other tables going same situation. Regulars get to Parx and lock up a lot of the seats. Once expansion happens there will still be the same regulars but instead of 4 or 5 2/5 games going there may be 8-10 or even more so on average my guess is that there will be weaker games. Having tables downstais can only make it better but i think increased capacity in poker room is what will be the biggest difference maker
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Old 12-04-2010, 12:48 PM   #2031
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Actually, the other gaming tables will contribute as much, if not more, than extra capacity in the poker room. Without the draw of gamb00ling downstairs, the expansion will just be filled with more regulars.

Same thing happened in CA. When I lived out in LA and poker first happened - it was just poker (lowball draw actually) and the places became inundated with regs. Same thing, most were not good players, but better than the average tourist-type that staggers in from the pit. When they introduced BJ and Asian games, the rooms became a sea of human ATM's. Of course, that mellowed as more people became regs and got (slightly) more proficient. But, to this day some of the best rooms *anywhere* are: Commerce in SoCal and Bay101 in NorCal.

With some luck, we may just experience a little of that phenomenon at Parx
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Old 12-04-2010, 12:52 PM   #2032
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As soon as tournaments start I will be there 4/5 days a week if they have decent buy in's and structures. Any gaurantees in the works Ari ?

Any details on your plans for daily's would be most appreciated
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Old 12-04-2010, 01:49 PM   #2033
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Actually, the other gaming tables will contribute as much, if not more, than extra capacity in the poker room. Without the draw of gamb00ling downstairs, the expansion will just be filled with more regulars.

Same thing happened in CA. When I lived out in LA and poker first happened - it was just poker (lowball draw actually) and the places became inundated with regs. Same thing, most were not good players, but better than the average tourist-type that staggers in from the pit. When they introduced BJ and Asian games, the rooms became a sea of human ATM's. Of course, that mellowed as more people became regs and got (slightly) more proficient. But, to this day some of the best rooms *anywhere* are: Commerce in SoCal and Bay101 in NorCal.

With some luck, we may just experience a little of that phenomenon at Parx

I wouldn't expect anything that dramatic, but expectedly an increase in ATM traffic.

I think because of the nature of the poor design of Parx east to Parx with the buildings being completely separated and quite a distance from one to the other, I suspect there will always be less "regular" gambling in the Parx east.

I wonder if the main future expansion has consideration of merging the two buildings via a walkway or tunnel of sorts with restaurants and shops a la Vegas or AC style.
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Old 12-04-2010, 01:54 PM   #2034
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The next major construction will be the expansion of the main casino, including a hotel. When that is complete, poker will move to the main casino. I have no idea what will happen to this building - other than probably keeping horse racing.

I think that is a 2012-14 project (economy dependent).
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Old 12-04-2010, 03:10 PM   #2035
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- Talked to a few dealers about the tables being small. One dealer thought definitively that they were smaller, but most seemed to think it was the larger than normal cup holder/cushion area making the square footage of card play smaller. Also, I do agree with some posters that the large base of the chairs are making things a tighter fit. The overall size of the table, however, seemed to be the same to me. But what do I know?
Can someone bring a tape measure sometime and end the debate one way or another?
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Old 12-05-2010, 03:41 AM   #2036
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Can someone bring a tape measure sometime and end the debate one way or another?
Before the room opened, I was told that one of the few regrets was that they were smaller. Later I heard that they were the same size as the tables at Aria, though I'm not sure if their tables are considered normal size or small, as I've never been there.

There is a chance that some games will go to 9-handed once the next expansion happens and capacity loosens things up a bit.
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Old 12-05-2010, 05:52 AM   #2037
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The next major construction will be the expansion of the main casino, including a hotel. When that is complete, poker will move to the main casino. I have no idea what will happen to this building - other than probably keeping horse racing.

I think that is a 2012-14 project (economy dependent).
Yes,
I heard, and i am 95% sure, that eventually when certain construction is finished(not sure what), The Poker Room will be moving to a different Location.
I think in the same building, but I might be wrong.
-Basically, where the Poker Room is now, IS NOT it's final location.

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Old 12-05-2010, 05:58 AM   #2038
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I really hope NO1 gets discouraged about :
-Long Lists for every game.
-Only 1, maybe 2 games for certain games such as, 15-30LHE, 5-10NL, Omaha,Stud.
-No High Limit games: 30-60LHE and up, 10-25NL, Higher Omaha & Stud.
-No Tournaments.

Once the room expands, I am positive we will have Multiple games, and Multiple tables(must move) for many games, and Higher Limit Games.
There will be tourny's eventually& I heard they r trying for a WPT.!.

So, Please, don't get discouraged, it's on schedule to expand Dec 22nd.

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Old 12-05-2010, 08:50 AM   #2039
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How much poker do you have to play to get a Parx Elite Card? What are the benefits? I could play 30-40 hours a week at Parx, but $1 per hour in comps isnt going to cut it.
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Old 12-05-2010, 10:56 AM   #2040
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Yes,
I heard, and i am 95% sure, that eventually when certain construction is finished(not sure what), The Poker Room will be moving to a different Location.
I think in the same building, but I might be wrong.
-Basically, where the Poker Room is now, IS NOT it's final location.

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It will not remain in the same building. It will be in the main casino.
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Old 12-05-2010, 01:30 PM   #2041
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Before the room opened, I was told that one of the few regrets was that they were smaller. Later I heard that they were the same size as the tables at Aria, though I'm not sure if their tables are considered normal size or small, as I've never been there.

There is a chance that some games will go to 9-handed once the next expansion happens and capacity loosens things up a bit.
Who has mentioned that there might be a chance at 9 handed? Anyone in power?
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Old 12-05-2010, 02:55 PM   #2042
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How much poker do you have to play to get a Parx Elite Card? What are the benefits? I could play 30-40 hours a week at Parx, but $1 per hour in comps isnt going to cut it.
$1 a hr. across the board for all stakes is a embarrassment!
They should at least attempt to comp their regular players a little better.
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Old 12-05-2010, 03:18 PM   #2043
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$1 a hr. across the board for all stakes is a embarrassment!
They should at least attempt to comp their regular players a little better.
Come on guys. You should be happy your receiving any comps at all in a brand new poker room, with no business forecast for profits, in a non resort (ie no hotel) casino.

Poker Comps is always going to be the neglected, bastard step child in a casino.

I'm sure when the expansion comes, and Ari will have more quantifiable numbers about the impact of more poker players on the bottom line, he will probably get more comps justified.
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Old 12-05-2010, 03:24 PM   #2044
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Come on guys. You should be happy your receiving any comps at all in a brand new poker room, with no business forecast for profits, in a non resort (ie no hotel) casino.
+1. that's double comps of the other pa casinos. poker brings in less revenue than other games. i like comps but don't expect it just for the sake of it. AC has a lot more incentive to get you there. they know people need to travel and will spend more time, more money (on activities and items other than poker), bring others, etc, etc.

these pa casino threads have become about complaining about space and comps with very little talk of games and trip summaries.
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Old 12-05-2010, 03:56 PM   #2045
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It will not remain in the same building. It will be in the main casino.
This is far enough away to not even worry about speculating about, but it's worth mentioning that the move to the main building isn't a done deal by any means. It's just one possibility.

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Who has mentioned that there might be a chance at 9 handed? Anyone in power?
You could say that. But seriously, it's just a possibility. Don't freak out about it happening, or not happening. It's just something they are thinking about.
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Old 12-05-2010, 04:25 PM   #2046
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Ari,

Two suggestions:

1) Switch to 9 handed please when you expand - will be more comfortable for everyone...more hands per hour = more rake (not sure if it's +$ for you or not counting dealer salary but it's got to be somewhat close). I think especially when you consider when one or two people take a break, you will definitely get more hands per hour in 9 handed.

2) allow players to buy the button - don't know if this is a gaming commission issue or if you have control over it...but buying the button is pretty sweet.

other than that I had another session in Parx last night and again I was impressed with everyone in the room from the dealers to the cashiers. Everyone is friendly...the dealers and cashiers that are newer are very focused and deliberate and you can tell they are trying to get faster but in the meantime trying to not make mistakes. Both dealers and wait staff personalities added to the games. This room is going to be the #1 spot in philly for sure

EDIT: and btw probably 90% of the dealers if not more are every bit as fast as the average borgata dealers in both dealing and handling chips during the hand
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Old 12-05-2010, 08:29 PM   #2047
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We are thinking about going to nine handed games with the expansion, what are the players thoughts on this?

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Old 12-05-2010, 08:31 PM   #2048
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Old 12-05-2010, 08:40 PM   #2049
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We are thinking about going to nine handed games with the expansion, what are the players thoughts on this?

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Old 12-05-2010, 08:41 PM   #2050
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Leave it at 10 players at a table. The tables are not too small. If it's 9 handed, there is one less fish at the table. That's the benefit of 10 handed games, lots of loose limpers you can stack.
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