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Old 11-23-2010, 01:55 AM   #1776
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A poker room is pure profit. $125 an hour is coming off the table. With 10 players at the the table that's $12.50 per hour per person. Throw in $2 an hour in tips per person and it's costing you $15 an hour to play 1-2NL at Parx. I have no idea why anyone would come to the defense of this joint. The owners and investors in this casino live in mansions, while you have an empty bank account, and live in a row home or crappy twin home in Ghettodelphia.
Yup, pure profit! No salaries have to be paid to the staff, including dealers, floor people, security, waitresses, cashiers, cleaning crews, etc. Nothing has to be paid for the electricity to run everything - including the shuffle machines and Bravo system, which are obviously free as well.

Nothing had to be paid to carpet, paint, and otherwise set up the room. The tables, chairs, chips, cards, tvs, etc. - all free of course. Parx didn't have to pay for any of this.

Of course, the owners of other casinos don't live in mansions either - only the Parx owners are that rich.

Damn, you're good!

Now, when your fantasy world comes crashing down around you - what say you then???? Just wondering......

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Old 11-23-2010, 08:21 AM   #1777
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So I'm walking out of Parx last night and this matronly woman (matronly is a polite term for fugly) is talking on her cell phone as she's walking out behind me. It wasn't like I was trying to eavesdrop, she was just talking so loud that I don't know why she was using a phone. It's a long escalator, and despite my walking down, I could still hear this behind me:

"This place is no threat to Atlantic City. There's no 2/4 game. There's not even a bad beat! The lowest game is 4/8! 4/8! 4/8!"

(she repeated 4/8 several more times before I could get out of the building)

Apparently this person interprets a proper poker room as one that has a) a "low" limit hold em game and b) a bad beat jackpot. I would guess that this person would be even happier if an incidental bingo game was also being run in the poker room so she could play two games at once.

2/4 is either a training game or a social game. It's structure requires the same investment per round as a 1/2 NL game. The problem here is that when training players and social players mix at a 2/4 LHE table, the training potentially suffers. It's frustrating to bet and raise properly with reasonable starting hands and solid post flop play and get called down by a social player who hits the 8 on the river to make 2 pair (6's and 8's) to beat your pocket 10's. From a business perspective, the rake is about the same as a loose passive 1/2 NLHE game.

But any loose passive game is just bad poker. I'm not complaining, since these games are often easy money. But I think that Ari is trying to build a room with good games. Maybe with the expansion there will be some 2/4 LHE games. Maybe not. (I would prefer a HORSE game myself).

What's the point here? Maybe there is none. I guess that as any poker room is starting out, decisions have to be made regarding the development of the establishment. For those who need a bad beat jackpot and low limit games to feel good, I guess you're driving on the AC expressway. Maybe I'll see you there.

But I'd rather spend my time playing, not driving. So more likely I'll be at Parx.
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Old 11-23-2010, 08:48 AM   #1778
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If you think that loose-passive games are bad poker, I would like to know what, iyo, constitutes "good poker". It just doesn't get any better than a table full of calling stations.

But, that said, most of us appreciate the fact that Parx does NOT spread 2-4, nor has a BBJ. Now that's "GOOD POKER"!

Now, if they all didn't live in mansions... oooopsss, sorry. I digress
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Old 11-23-2010, 09:03 AM   #1779
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A friend and I are heading down for the first time on Saturday in the am. When should we get there before the wait list starts? We were thinking about 10 or 11. Also, since its a holiday weekend do you guys think it there will be more of a crowd earlier? Thanks
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Old 11-23-2010, 11:44 AM   #1780
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A friend and I are heading down for the first time on Saturday in the am. When should we get there before the wait list starts? We were thinking about 10 or 11. Also, since its a holiday weekend do you guys think it there will be more of a crowd earlier? Thanks
You will be fine that early. It starts getting busy after 3pm
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Old 11-23-2010, 11:44 AM   #1781
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After all expenses the poker room has to paid, uncle sam takes another 40% of it from Parx.... The rest is profit.

With the huge renavations put into this poker room with millions in mortgage, I am not sure if it can cover the expenses before the tables expansion...


Casino business in not as profitable as it seems....
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Old 11-23-2010, 12:02 PM   #1782
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Softest 1/2 table times and days please... ?
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Old 11-23-2010, 12:09 PM   #1783
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Softest 1/2 table times and days please... ?


I only arrive after 8 pm all nights...call ahead to get on list. Soft doesn't disappear after 8 I can tell you that much
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Old 11-23-2010, 01:28 PM   #1784
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Softest 1/2 table times and days please... ?
i havent played in the 5/10 yet but played against a few of the 5/10 regs in 2/5 games and so far i have only seen 1 player who's game i respect. That said i imagine it only gets worse as you go down save for under rolled live players who have their money tied up online at the 1/2 etc.

Caveat - ive only played a total of 19 hrs here so far.

One 5/10 reg was at my 2/5 table the other night and used table talk angles to keep people from betting when he had weaker hands, which tells me his game isnt strong enough and he has to resort to verbal levels. Add to that the fact that he was overall a calling station who made "good laydowns".

EDIT: comments excluding a few other players i know IRL whose games are way way way above this field as well.

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Old 11-23-2010, 02:45 PM   #1785
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If you think that loose-passive games are bad poker, I would like to know what, iyo, constitutes "good poker". It just doesn't get any better than a table full of calling stations.

But, that said, most of us appreciate the fact that Parx does NOT spread 2-4, nor has a BBJ. Now that's "GOOD POKER"!

Now, if they all didn't live in mansions... oooopsss, sorry. I digress
Well, there sometimes is a distinction between good poker and profitable poker. Playing good poker against a table full of calling stations can be better than finding a money spewing ATM with a dysfunctional camera, although sometimes I have to grit my teeth when "Don Key" hits the club on the river to complete his Q4s flush.

My point really was about the careful allocation and prioritization of resources to build a good foundation for card players more interested in playing poker than bingo, regardless of the stakes they play. Donkeys will show up anywhere there's a game, but poker players play where the good games are. A BBJP is just more money pff the table that I'll probably never see. As for lower stakes limit games, sure, why not, once all tables are operational.
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Old 11-23-2010, 04:11 PM   #1786
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Ummm.... good poker is always profitable poker. But, the good games are always the ones with the bad players in them. I don't want to play poker against "poker players". I want to win money from donkeys! I want your friend Don, who plays Q4s, in there - every hand, calling all bets & raises to the river. In fact, every hand that I don't win, I'm rooting for him

The size of the stakes don't stop people from playing flop-lotto. I've been in the 30 game at Bellagio where half the table was playing as if it were 2-4. For me, that's OK... my kind of game. However, I wouldn't sit in a 2-4 game, because there is not enough money in play to make it worth the variance.

I like that 4-8 is the lowest stakes game. It makes the idiots that would have played lower, move up. That's part of what makes it such a good game. I continue to offer my support to Ari and co. to keep stakes below 2-4 out of the room, even after the expansion(s). I also hope that they keep the BBJ out of the room!

I think I know what you're trying to say, though. In reality, what you want is a good room, where casual players will feel comfortable and entertained, while they piss away their money.

I expect that Parx will fill that need, quite nicely.
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Old 11-23-2010, 05:07 PM   #1787
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Looks like Harrah's Chester just snagged a stop on the 2011 WSOP circuit. http://www.wsop.com/news/2010/Nov/31...NAL-STOPS.html

@Ari - can we help you get the attention of the NAPT or WPT to make you a stop on the tour next year? Let us know if we need to "BE DIALIN!"
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Old 11-23-2010, 05:19 PM   #1788
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Highest grossing poker room in pa....notttt for longgggggg
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Old 11-23-2010, 06:03 PM   #1789
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Is PLO running tonight?
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Old 11-23-2010, 06:37 PM   #1790
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I think its funny all the complaints about PARX already - undoubtably this will be an extremely successful poker room. PARX will manage this room to be competitive and profitable no matter what the grinders whine about. PARX will evolve and spread a wide variety of games to appeal to all people and probably become Borgata Jr.


FYI, As of 2:00 pm today these are the Borgata games being played.

(1) $2 - $4 Limit Hold'em
(1) $3 - $6 Limit Hold'em
(2) $20 - $40 Limit Hold'em

(1) $10 - $20 Omaha H/L

(9) $1 - $2 No Limit Hold'em
(4) $2 - $5 No Limit Hold'em
(1) $5 - $10 No Limit Hold'em

During the week - low limits rule the poker world - if you don't train new players - nobody makes money in the long run.
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Old 11-23-2010, 09:58 PM   #1791
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Looks like Harrah's Chester just snagged a stop on the 2011 WSOP circuit. http://www.wsop.com/news/2010/Nov/31...NAL-STOPS.html

@Ari - can we help you get the attention of the NAPT or WPT to make you a stop on the tour next year? Let us know if we need to "BE DIALIN!"
Thank you for your support, its on our radar!!!
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Old 11-24-2010, 12:00 AM   #1792
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Are there future plans to open Valet parking in the poker building?

I love the room, everything's amazing - unfortunately I'm not going to play having to walk to/from my car in a parking lot. (and I also think a few rich fish might agree)
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Old 11-24-2010, 12:10 AM   #1793
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just get this:

http://www.tbotech.com/electronic-whistle.htm
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Old 11-24-2010, 12:18 AM   #1794
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I think its funny all the complaints about PARX already - undoubtably this will be an extremely successful poker room. PARX will manage this room to be competitive and profitable no matter what the grinders whine about. PARX will evolve and spread a wide variety of games to appeal to all people and probably become Borgata Jr.


FYI, As of 2:00 pm today these are the Borgata games being played.

(1) $2 - $4 Limit Hold'em
(1) $3 - $6 Limit Hold'em
(2) $20 - $40 Limit Hold'em

(1) $10 - $20 Omaha H/L

(9) $1 - $2 No Limit Hold'em
(4) $2 - $5 No Limit Hold'em
(1) $5 - $10 No Limit Hold'em

During the week - low limits rule the poker world - if you don't train new players - nobody makes money in the long run.
The huge difference between Parx and Borgata is the fact that the Borgata is a resort and Parx is essentially a gambling hall. This means that during the week the mid-stakes games will normally last 5-6 hours (sometimes longer) and break 7 handed (HA!) because there is no way you get people wandering into the poker room after 11pm to play in a gambling hall. On the weekends the room is so small that the lower-limit games take up all the tables so unless a player is lucky enough, they will never see a seat in a mid-stakes game. Not to mention the Borgata offers $3 an hour for the 20 game and $6 for the 40 game along with allowing the player to have a choice between different tables and stakes.
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Old 11-24-2010, 12:26 AM   #1795
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Are there future plans to open Valet parking in the poker building?

I love the room, everything's amazing - unfortunately I'm not going to play having to walk to/from my car in a parking lot. (and I also think a few rich fish might agree)
Perhaps, when the table games open and the poker room expansion happens, there will be sufficient demand for valet. Currently, there is just not anywhere near a reasonable demand for valet service.
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Old 11-24-2010, 12:33 AM   #1796
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The huge difference between Parx and Borgata is the fact that the Borgata is a resort and Parx is essentially a gambling hall. This means that during the week the mid-stakes games will normally last 5-6 hours (sometimes longer) and break 7 handed (HA!) because there is no way you get people wandering into the poker room after 11pm to play in a gambling hall. On the weekends the room is so small that the lower-limit games take up all the tables so unless a player is lucky enough, they will never see a seat in a mid-stakes game. Not to mention the Borgata offers $3 an hour for the 20 game and $6 for the 40 game along with allowing the player to have a choice between different tables and stakes.
I expect things will be more on par, when the main casino expands, including a hotel and the poker room moves to that building. That's down the road a while, though.

In the meantime, significant improvement in mid-stakes games options should happen in late-December, when the room goes to 50-ish tables. Once tournaments start happening, that will draw more players for the pool.
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Old 11-24-2010, 12:37 AM   #1797
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Was thinking today about the daily tourney spread.I know it's thinking a couple months early, but I'm excited and had an idea/suggestion and would like to hear some opinions. Pretty much the same as other rooms w/ just a few twists:

Mon.- Thurs. :

1PM : $50+$10 NLHE 10K start/20 min levels

4PM : $20+$5 Stud,Omaha, or even a nice HOSE 10k start/20 mins

7PM : $100+$20 15k start/ 20 mins

Fri.-Sun. :

Same as above, just back up 1 hr and double buy-ins. Make Sat. and Sun. 6PMs 30k guarantees.

I think this is reasonable, and sustainable. You think?

My 111th post, woot!! Trip aces bet a thousand!!

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Old 11-24-2010, 12:44 AM   #1798
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When Parx first opened, I was one of those people who thought the parking lot was going to be a scary place at night. Walking through a football field of handicap spots seemed like a daunting adventure fraught with peril.

However, now that I've been there on a number of occasions, I feel that nothing could be further from the truth. The parking lot is well lit with plenty of security cars driving around. And, as plenty of folks have mentioned in this thread, the security guards will be happy to escort you to your car if you feel unsafe.
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Old 11-24-2010, 12:55 AM   #1799
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well, whoever was playing that 2/5/10 game in the back near the bar (and at most there could only be 2 of you) it was fun.

Ship it.
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Old 11-24-2010, 01:45 AM   #1800
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The huge difference between Parx and Borgata is the fact that the Borgata is a resort and Parx is essentially a gambling hall. This means that during the week the mid-stakes games will normally last 5-6 hours (sometimes longer) and break 7 handed (HA!) because there is no way you get people wandering into the poker room after 11pm to play in a gambling hall. On the weekends the room is so small that the lower-limit games take up all the tables so unless a player is lucky enough, they will never see a seat in a mid-stakes game. Not to mention the Borgata offers $3 an hour for the 20 game and $6 for the 40 game along with allowing the player to have a choice between different tables and stakes.
So Borgata had 19 tables in play at 2:00pm - Parx had 23. Including a 15/30 LHE game and a 5-10 NLHE game that were still going after 9:30 (when I left).

Around 2:15 or so the 4/8 Omaha 8 game started - it was still going strong when I left as well.

Frankiem - I don't know what your agenda is, but you're simply not speaking the truth. The facts bely your statements, and your animosity/favoritism is clear as crystal.

No one is denigrating the Borgata here, near as I can tell. But Parx has a really nice poker room and it only rates to get better when the expansions kick in.

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