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Old 11-08-2010, 08:35 PM   #1176
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But, the thing I really disliked was that if you get stacked, you are out of the next hand and until you have actual chips again in front. You can't buy chips from the dealer, or play light while a chip runner gets you chips. Once your stack is gone, cash means nothing until the chips are in front. Therefore, if stacked, you're going to watch at least a hand or two or three. They should allow the dealers to sell a fill, or let players play cash while runners get chips. You must do one or the other IMO and I'm surprised Ari hasn't made some allowance for that. .
This is a PA gaming commission start-up rule (same policy at PA Sands) - why people can't put a few $100 chips in their pocket for potential rebuys baffles me.

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The question I have is, can this room ever be a Borgata style force in the east coast poker arena? You can make a case for it, but what Parx will miss is those tourist which only Vegas and Ac can provide the good players. Weekend "nightlife" and other casino's along with conventions bring in players who keep all the pro's "in the money" in both Ac and Vegas. .
I think it a myth that the "tourists" fuel the good players. CT and California have run large rooms for quite some time that are not entertainment dependent. The future of live poker is about convenience to large popular centers not the tourist trade.
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Old 11-08-2010, 08:43 PM   #1177
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but what Parx will miss is those tourist which only Vegas and Ac can provide the good players. Weekend "nightlife" and other casino's along with conventions bring in players who keep all the pro's "in the money" in both Ac and Vegas.
Tourists have nothing on actually being near peoples homes. For serious. I have played with folks during this week who are playing even on their lunch breaks from work.

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All those higher limit games will be a tough spread even for Parx. I think you'll see them for a while and then it will settle into 1/2, 2/5 and a few 5/10 nl games. And of course 4-8 limit. I really don't know what these rooms have to do to get bigger limit games on the board. DP is trying everything and still is having trouble spreading 8-16 with a max 2.00 rake. If that doesn't get it done, I'm not sure what they, or Parx...or Harrah's is going to do to make it happen.
Huh? I am not sure what you are talking about. I have played 15/30 there every single day since they opened (but today, had to be home for heater repair guy) and 8/16 most times when a 15 wasn't running yet.
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Old 11-08-2010, 08:54 PM   #1178
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I did introduce myself to Ari, and outed myself from two plus two. He seems like a "top notch" manager, who understands the game/players. I have to say he did an outstanding job of setting up a first class room. The question I have is, can this room ever be a Borgata style force in the east coast poker arena? You can make a case for it, but what Parx will miss is those tourist which only Vegas and Ac can provide the good players. Weekend "nightlife" and other casino's along with conventions bring in players who keep all the pro's "in the money" in both Ac and Vegas. All those higher limit games will be a tough spread even for Parx. I think you'll see them for a while and then it will settle into 1/2, 2/5 and a few 5/10 nl games. And of course 4-8 limit. I really don't know what these rooms have to do to get bigger limit games on the board. DP is trying everything and still is having trouble spreading 8-16 with a max 2.00 rake. If that doesn't get it done, I'm not sure what they, or Parx...or Harrah's is going to do to make it happen. I was going to stop by Chester on the way home since I wonder how that room is now that they're not "the only game in town", but I was too lazy. I did see a couple of DP regulars at Parx, also checking out the layout and also noticed a DP floor at the tables. All in all, one of the best rooms, minus the little things, on the east coast. Better than Rivers, Pocono Downs, Hollywood Penn National and the Meadows in PA. For sure, the best in PA. For me, I still prefer a 4.00 max rake with the 2.00 rake promo's at DP limit games and nobody can beat the ten minute drive for me. But, if it's not rush hour, I'll take Parx waaaaaayyyy over Harrah's Chester.
First off I don't think you know how to use quotes correctly. Second, and most importantly, how do you come to any type of conclusion that mid-stakes games won't be spread there?
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Old 11-08-2010, 09:06 PM   #1179
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First off I don't think you know how to use quotes correctly. Second, and most importantly, how do you come to any type of conclusion that mid-stakes games won't be spread there?
It's an opinion. Mine, yours may be different, but that's still mine.
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Old 11-08-2010, 09:08 PM   #1180
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It's an opinion. Mine, yours may be different, but that's still mine.
I believe he is asking what brought you to that conclusion, considering they run every day.
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Old 11-08-2010, 09:24 PM   #1181
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Tourists have nothing on actually being near peoples homes. For serious. I have played with folks during this week who are playing even on their lunch breaks from work.



Huh? I am not sure what you are talking about. I have played 15/30 there every single day since they opened (but today, had to be home for heater repair guy) and 8/16 most times when a 15 wasn't running yet.


I've read a lot of your posts, which seem well thought out.

Do you believe that parx will be able to sustain a mid level limit 8/16, 10-20, 15/30 or high limit game palyer pool? Of course, as a new room, the last week is hardly indicative of what will be. We have to wait about four or five months to see what shakes out. I'd gladly drive that hour to play 8/16, 10/20 regularly. But, like I said, I only ventured up today to check out the hype and the highest limit was 4-8. Truthfully, I didn't expect higher as it was early on a Monday morning. I hope they have the base for mid limit poker and higher as NL variance is not something that I like nor handle as well as I should/could. I see myself as a better limit player, but smaller stakes 2/4, 3/6 and 4/8 is a little like watching paint dry.......kind of boring. If all DP or Parx, which will probably be the only two places that I play can spread everyday is 4/8, I'll probably join the NL crowd, as has been my usual of late.
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Old 11-08-2010, 09:40 PM   #1182
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This is a PA gaming commission start-up rule (same policy at PA Sands) - why people can't put a few $100 chips in their pocket for potential rebuys baffles me.



I think it a myth that the "tourists" fuel the good players. CT and California have run large rooms for quite some time that are not entertainment dependent. The future of live poker is about convenience to large popular centers not the tourist trade.
Did Chester start letting dealers sell fills sometime after they opened? Anyway, I guess Parx will sell fills when Pa lets them if it's a legal issue.

I hope you're right about limit poker. I played a Foxwoods often enough, but those regulars are still counting on the I-95 NY/Boston traveler, who comes from an area than doesn't allow poker. I've stopped by there twenty times in the past couple of years for exactly that reason. I don't expect to play there much again, with so may options near my home. The unanswered question is, will mid limit Parx poker be a game of regulars or a game where new players enter the mix. If it's all regulars, I don't believe it will sustain. If new players move in and out, it will be a great game. That's one of the things that makes nl appealing. The fact that there are so many new faces moving in and out with various skill levels. Again, don't get pissed at me, I'd rather be wrong than right. I really like the room.
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Old 11-08-2010, 09:43 PM   #1183
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Do you believe that parx will be able to sustain a mid level limit 8/16, 10-20, 15/30 or high limit game palyer pool?
95% sure. DP never had anything going for limit games really. I played 10/20 there once, I still watch the games they have running in their live update. It was never like this there.
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Old 11-08-2010, 10:18 PM   #1184
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Do you believe that parx will be able to sustain a mid level limit 8/16, 10-20, 15/30 or high limit game palyer pool?
Well I suppose it's hard for me to say, as I'm personally hoping that such games are sustained, but I really think it will happen. It seemed like Chester could sustain an almost daily 10/20-20/40 game, and Parx is better than Chester in like every way imaginable and will just continue to get better. I think as time progresses, more and more players who would have gone to AC will be attracted to Parx, and the games will only get bigger and better. But time will tell!

By the way, I really think 4/8 should be played with all $1 chips. One of the reasons 20/40 is so good at the Borg is that the 4 chip/8 chip structure entices players to chase to win the seemingly huge pots filled with piles of chips. $2 chips are amazing for the 8/16 game, but please, institute a "rule" where players need to buy in to 4/8 with $1 chips only. (Also as has been mentioned before, if 30/60 does take off, please try to have $10 chips created--but I guess it makes sense to see if we can get the game going first...I think it's just a matter of time, or late December to be specific!)
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Old 11-08-2010, 10:44 PM   #1185
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The almost daily Chester game does require effort & organization though. Hope you're right.
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Old 11-08-2010, 10:52 PM   #1186
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I was there the other day and the dealer sold chips from his tray the dude walkin around told him to and he put this little chip that said 100 on it in front of the tray I guese for the cameras and the pit boss took the money
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Old 11-08-2010, 11:01 PM   #1187
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The almost daily Chester game does require effort & organization though. Hope you're right.
I was one of the people who used to play in it daily when it started but stopped while waiting for Parx to open, along a few people I have spoken too.

All in all though there is little value to speculation on anyone's part.
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Old 11-08-2010, 11:53 PM   #1188
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I guess time will tell once they open the rest of the tables.
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Old 11-09-2010, 01:13 AM   #1189
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Definitely in favor of making the 2/5 a timed game for the reasons mentioned above. I'm kind of surprised it isn't already, actually. The 1k max buyin makes it seem like it's trying to cater to more serious players, but taking a rake (especially preflop) definitely hurts the cause of getting good deep-stack action. These games are already full of 2+2 players... let us 3bet each other profitably!
I too prefer time over rake, but only when the dealers work quickly. if i have to pay $5 per half hour, and i'm only seeing 10-12 hands in that time, i'm not gonna be a happy customer.
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Old 11-09-2010, 01:13 AM   #1190
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Anyone happen to notice what the list looked like for 1/2 and 2/5 this evening? Just trying to get a sense of what the weeknight line is around 8pm.
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Old 11-09-2010, 02:11 AM   #1191
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As someone who has played lots of mid-limit holdem over the years at the Taj and the Borgata, I hope Parx continues to make a good effort to make limit holdem a strength of their room. I will be stopping by tonight and look forward to checking out the room for the first time.

I would like to echo the sentiments and requests of many of the posters here:

1. Please get rid of the rake on hands where there is no flop (ie please institute no flop/no drop).

2. Please do not start a 2/4 game. Anyone who complains about Parx not offering a 2/4 game because of the difference in size compared to 4/8 quite frankly is not a player who will be good for the long-term interests of the poker room. If someone can't afford the increase from 2/4 to 4/8, not only do such individuals not realize how they are idiots for wasting their money on a game which is getting crushed by the rake, but they should be playing micro-stakes online. As others have mentioned, having 4/8 as the lowest limit differentiates the room from the competition, and that's a good thing.

I also like the idea of setting up a high limit room or section. High limit players should get free bottled waters, red bulls, high end beers, etc., like at the Borgata.
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Old 11-09-2010, 02:36 AM   #1192
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I was at Parx today. Played 4-8 Omaha 8 for a few hours. Good game, with friendly people who liked to bet and call without necessarily having a lot of good cards. Of course, I didn't have a lot of good cards either - but still managed to come out ahead.

Room is looking great. Well run, with a floor staff that are friendly and professional - they know what they are doing!

Wish that they would put in valet parking for rainy days though....

As for the need to wait for chips after getting felted - I always overbuy at the cage and put a couple of hundred in green in my pocket. Makes reloading a breeze. Don't see why one couldn't add black chips to their pockets as well. No need to miss hands this way!

Still, being able to either play while waiting for chips, or even better being able to buy from the dealer (ala Harrah's in Chester) would be nice.

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Old 11-09-2010, 06:22 AM   #1193
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Safety is def a big issue. Im playing the 2-5 game regularly and I dont feel comfortable walking to my car. Their is too many open access points for anyone to get in and out of that lot. They need to put a fence around the entire perimiter with only one or 2 ways in at most. Not to mention I95 is 4 mins down the road, so someone could mug you and by the time the cops showed up, the car would be half way down I95.

ARI if your reading this... This should be your number one concern to push to your employers. table size, chip colors, smoking are second hand to someone getting robbed or killed in your parking lot. Cause that will kill your action at Parx East faster then you know it. I think a permiter fence is the main issue. Also maybe an emergency phone in the parking lot. Or security at the exit to escort you to your car. I saw security driving around with their windows up. They wouldnt be able to even hear you scream for help if you were in trouble.


On a positive note.. your waitresses are fire. keep that up!
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Old 11-09-2010, 10:57 AM   #1194
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The ability to rebuy chips at the table should be available, once the room gets some hours under their belt. Patience In my experience at Parx, the chip runners and the cage have both been very expeditious in handling exchanges. Missing a few hands is not the end of the world. Chances are, if you just got felted, you prolly could use a few moments away from the action to collect your thoughts and take a breath, any way!

Regarding the low/mid limit limit games. I fully expect that (especially after expansion) they will be quite robust. I can see the base for the 4-8 O8-half-kill is already pretty strong, the 4-8 LHE game will be a staple. 3+ games on weekends, is my line (and I'll take the over), I think once the dust settles, the 8-16 and 15-30 LHE games will become the feature games and remain (and grow) in popularity. Whether or not a mixed-limit game flies, will be dependent on us.

The decision to not spread 2-4 will only help reinforce the existing line up. IMHO, that will be a huge differentiator for this room. Kudo's to Ari & co. for sticking to their plan!

Whoever said that the 4-8 game should be a white chip ($1 chips) game is spot on!!! That's how they play it in LV (Bellagio specifically) and it is a great game played that way. Ari... this is a great suggestion and I'd like to see you give it a shot. it will "up the action"... like that game needs more action
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Old 11-09-2010, 11:27 AM   #1195
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The ability to rebuy chips at the table should be available, once the room gets some hours under their belt. Patience In my experience at Parx, the chip runners and the cage have both been very expeditious in handling exchanges. Missing a few hands is not the end of the world. Chances are, if you just got felted, you prolly could use a few moments away from the action to collect your thoughts and take a breath, any way!
I am in the minority I guess but I like their rebuy policy. When you get down to <10 bets or whatever just ask for a runner. The alternative of the Harrah's dealers stopping the game every 20 minutes to fill their trays because people buy in for ridiculously low amounts can be annoying.
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Old 11-09-2010, 11:46 AM   #1196
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I am in the minority I guess but I like their rebuy policy. When you get down to <10 bets or whatever just ask for a runner. The alternative of the Harrah's dealers stopping the game every 20 minutes to fill their trays because people buy in for ridiculously low amounts can be annoying.
What about the 1/2 games with guys who just keep reaching for hundreds and rebuying every 40 minutes for 5 hours. Making them get up and walk to the cage is not good IMO. I'd rather just keep them in their seat.
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Old 11-09-2010, 11:48 AM   #1197
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Is there a direct number that I can use to call the poker room? Or must I go through the operator at Parx?
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Old 11-09-2010, 11:56 AM   #1198
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95% sure. DP never had anything going for limit games really. I played 10/20 there once, I still watch the games they have running in their live update. It was never like this there.
Was the OP right do they offer a max.2.00 rake on some of their games?
If so how is this not enticing?
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I am in the minority I guess but I like their rebuy policy. When you get down to <10 bets or whatever just ask for a runner. The alternative of the Harrah's dealers stopping the game every 20 minutes to fill their trays because people buy in for ridiculously low amounts can be annoying.
Nothing is more annoying. Then, you get the game interrupted even more, because they have to keep filling the dealer bank. In time games, this really pisses me off!

I'd be OK if the policy stays this way. If the chip runners are quick and plentiful,there should be no problems.


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What about the 1/2 games with guys who just keep reaching for hundreds and rebuying every 40 minutes for 5 hours. Making them get up and walk to the cage is not good IMO. I'd rather just keep them in their seat.
They're gonna miss what? Two, three - 5 hands?!?!?! Chip runners solve this issue. That's so much better for the game, than having the dealer drop the deck to count out a stack. Then, drop the deck again, when the fill comes. Over and over and over.
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Old 11-09-2010, 12:11 PM   #1200
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I like to play NL at 100BB's.When I buy from cage I get extra 200 in 25's for my pocket.If I lose 50 in a hand can I top off my stack to 200 without informing table?
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