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Old 11-05-2010, 12:11 PM   #1001
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Nice post IFSATG. Very informative,ty. Don't be afraid of becoming the official live info specialist being you only live 15 mins away!! I vote for you now [x]
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Old 11-05-2010, 01:16 PM   #1002
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Sorry if this is annoying to some, but I live on the other side of the city and still have a 1 hour travel to get there.

Is it still insanely packed for 1-2 and 2-5? Would I be better served to go to DP or A.C. until the hype dies down a little?
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Old 11-05-2010, 01:19 PM   #1003
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The 15 was dry for awhile but around 8ish got really hopping, was a great game that almost no one would get up from
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Old 11-05-2010, 01:25 PM   #1004
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Sorry if this is annoying to some, but I live on the other side of the city and still have a 1 hour travel to get there.

Is it still insanely packed for 1-2 and 2-5? Would I be better served to go to DP or A.C. until the hype dies down a little?
Based on what I saw on Wednesday, if you got there before 7 PM (which I did) the wait was minimal. After 7 the lists started building. However, lots of 2/5 people weren't reporting when their name was called so it wasn't terrible if you were paying attention.

It might be worse tonight because it's Friday, and because they also have some promotion going on between 9-11. I think if you get there before 7, even before 8, you'll be fine.
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Old 11-05-2010, 01:25 PM   #1005
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The 15 was dry for awhile but around 8ish got really hopping, was a great game that almost no one would get up from
Was that you over in the 7-8-9 seat? I walked by a few times and passed on an open seat. If so, was that your GF in the 4-8 HE game I was sitting? I was in the 4 seat there.
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Old 11-05-2010, 01:31 PM   #1006
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Based on what I saw on Wednesday, if you got there before 7 PM (which I did) the wait was minimal. After 7 the lists started building. However, lots of 2/5 people weren't reporting when their name was called so it wasn't terrible if you were paying attention.

It might be worse tonight because it's Friday, and because they also have some promotion going on between 9-11. I think if you get there before 7, even before 8, you'll be fine.
Yeah, thanks for the heads up. I'm probably going to head down on Sunday before the eagles game to play some 1-2. I feel like that should cut any wait in half. I'm really looking forward to this room and that video looked great.
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Old 11-05-2010, 02:02 PM   #1007
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First, it was pissing down raining when I arrived. This made the walk from the parking area to the door more painful than it might have been on a dry day.

As I mentioned before - I didn't want to sit in the 15/30, since it appeared to be a good mix of 2p2's and other solid players - paying time and pushing chips back & forth amongst each other. There may have been a fish, or two - but certainly not enough to feed everyone.

I wandered to the side of the room near the bar and couldn't really notice the smoke. It's worse in the lobby, where you enter the building and head to the escalators.

The public address system needs improvement. If you're seated at a table that is NOT right near the podium, it is VERY HARD to hear them call names. I hate blaring PA's, but this one needs a volume boost!
The parking lot was a bit of a lagoon during the downpour. I noticed the night before that the storm drains had become clogged with mud and detritus, so hopefully they can clean those up and it will make a difference. Otherwise, bring your waders with you on rainy nights.

The 15-30 was a bit of a reg-fest, I agree. (Though to be honest it didn't play any differently than the Bellagio 15-30 I've seen the past few times I was there.) Hopefully we'll end up getting a few more people early enough, so we can open a second table. This should spread some openings around, and maybe draw in some of the crowd who don't want to wait for the longer lines at 1-2 and 2-5.

Agree on the smoke front - you can smell it coming into the building, as you pass by people standing outside or in the lobby smoking. But it more or less disappears once you hit the main room. I did find the smell worst in the bathrooms, actually, because there are ashtrays in there (at nose level) in between the urinals. Hard to believe... they actually had me yearning for the smell of urine. The bathrooms were otherwise clean though.

The PA system is a mixed bag. It is actually very effective in the non-poker parts of the room - I could hear the announcements clearly in the hallway, in the racing room, and in the bathrooms. The only place you can't really hear them is sitting at the tables. A second problem is that the announcers don't seem to scan the room when they announce names, either, so not only might you have trouble hearing your name called, but you probably won't be able to acklowedge it without getting up from your table and running to the podium.

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The only ruling that happened at my table was made swiftly and correctly. We had a hand where the cards of the person next to me were pulled into the muck by the dealer, accidently. He quickly removed them and said he could identify them, as we all could. The floor was called and ruled that since the cards "touched the muck" the hand was dead. Many people might not like this ruling, since the cards were identifiable... but, PROTECT YOUR HAND is the overarching rule. Good call here!
I can't agree with this. I hope the room does not have a "magic muck". If the cards are retrievable, the floor should have the discretion to rule them live, and in this case it sounds like they should have been ruled live.

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Old 11-05-2010, 02:13 PM   #1008
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What time have the O/8 games been getting started? I'll be there both Saturday and Sunday and was wondering what time I should show up to avoid the longer wait lists. Thank you for any assistance


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Old 11-05-2010, 02:18 PM   #1009
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If I am not mistaken, both the O8 and the PLO were running when I arrived at 6:30pm last night (Thurs).

However, the room is 2 days old. It hasn't been open on a weekend yet. Who the hell knows what Saturday and Sunday will be like.
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Old 11-05-2010, 02:47 PM   #1010
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The 15-30 was a bit of a reg-fest, I agree. (Though to be honest it didn't play any differently than the Bellagio 15-30 I've seen the past few times I was there.) Hopefully we'll end up getting a few more people early enough, so we can open a second table. This should spread some openings around, and maybe draw in some of the crowd who don't want to wait for the longer lines at 1-2 and 2-5.
Agreed. The difference is, at the B there are often 3-5 15/30 games going, so you can usually table change out of a locals game, or sometimes the locals are so bad, you want to play with them. What I saw last night looked like a game that I didn't want to play in. I don't want to play with good players


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I can't agree with this. I hope the room does not have a "magic muck". If the cards are retrievable, the floor should have the discretion to rule them live, and in this case it sounds like they should have been ruled live.
There are always two sides to this discussion. I just fall into the camp of, "If you don't protect your hand and it gets fouled/mucked - too bad." This way there are never any arguments... it's in the muck, hand over for you. No discussions, floor arguments, ruling this way one time, a different way next time. Cards touch muck = dead hand. Simple solution... protect your hand at all times!

I understand the other side of the discussion (argument) - I just don't agree with it, because the same circumstance can be interpreted differently, by different people.
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Old 11-05-2010, 02:54 PM   #1011
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Just spent morning/ afternoon here. at 9:30am they had like 3 games going 1-2 only. By 1:30pm every table was full. Had a nice time. The room is very comfortable.
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Old 11-05-2010, 03:54 PM   #1012
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any plo running atm?
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Old 11-05-2010, 04:02 PM   #1013
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Agreed. The difference is, at the B there are often 3-5 15/30 games going, so you can usually table change out of a locals game, or sometimes the locals are so bad, you want to play with them.
I don't want to derail too much more about the Bel, but this has not been my recent experience (thrice in the past 6 months). There were never more than 2.5 full tables of 15-30, and often only 1 or 2. I recognized the same players in 80% of the seats after day 1. The 30-60 usually had a table or two more (and I was told it was actually the better game to play, if you had the roll and could handle the variance).

The game was still playable, though, since as you mentioned, some regs are better than others.

Anyhoo, here's to hoping for some more fish getting sprinkled in at Parx, as the game (and the room) finds its sea legs.
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Old 11-05-2010, 04:09 PM   #1014
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Ari also told me that he really hopes (expects?) that the limit mixed games, along with PLO will take off. This guy just gets it, IMO. The world does not revolve around NL. Finally, a cardroom manager that can see that people want to play more than NL. Personally, I've been waiting many years for this No disrespect to NL or the players that love the game, but we limit players have taken a back seat to NL since the day Moneymaker stumbled his way into fame & fortune! It's nice to see real game selection on the not-so-distant horizon.
It's commendable that Ari cares about having a good mixture of games besides the usual 1/2 NL and 2/4 Limit that most rooms have, and that he has put a lot of thought into the structure of the limit games. But the spread of games in a cardroom ultimately depends on the players, and by and large players want NL games.

Most rooms would love to spread mixed games and PLO if there was actually demand for it. The fact is, the demand is very limited and that is why most rooms have such a narrow choice of games. The Borgata put serious effort into starting regular low limit HOSE and pink chip games, and even 6-max NL, but even with the largest player pool in the region they could not keep those games running. Time will tell whether Parx can sustain this game variety after their grand opening, but history suggests it will be an uphill climb.
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Old 11-05-2010, 04:18 PM   #1015
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Yes, this summer was horrible for Vegas poker, in general. My daughter is a reg at the Venetian's 2-5NL and she said it's the worst she's seen it in years. When I was out a few weeks ago, the B didn't even have a 15 game going on Wed afternoon. There were 2 30's... That game has always been is the epitome of "variance"

I think that as Parx gets going and definitely when the room expands - it should be more than capable of sustaining multiple 15 games. I hope that makes for a good aquarium.
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Old 11-05-2010, 04:20 PM   #1016
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I am sure this room is wonderful. It will probably be 10x better than harrahs Chester. But the fact of the matter is it will never have any big games. The Borgata has the big games because it is a destination resort. 80% of the players that play the bigger games there are recreational players that are retired or people that just have alot of money. Very few are pros. Parx will never get those games. But you can't say it a ****** room because they don't get 200-400 o.e. The highest they will get is probably 30-60 or 40-80. And the game definetly will not last long. That being said Ari has done a great job on informing us and replying to our questions. Looking forward to my visit. Should be good.
You dont know what you are talking about sir. All the big games will come to parx soon enough. What does a "destination resort" have anything to do with big games?? All the high stakes players are mostly from nyc or philly. parx is 40 mins closer from nyc than borg. You have 2 posts and joined in sep 2010... so all those numbers and percentages u are quoting doesnt mean anything to the people here who actually come here for information about PARX.
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Old 11-05-2010, 04:30 PM   #1017
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It's commendable that Ari cares about having a good mixture of games besides the usual 1/2 NL and 2/4 Limit that most rooms have, and that he has put a lot of thought into the structure of the limit games. But the spread of games in a cardroom ultimately depends on the players, and by and large players want NL games.

Most rooms would love to spread mixed games and PLO if there was actually demand for it. The fact is, the demand is very limited and that is why most rooms have such a narrow choice of games. The Borgata put serious effort into starting regular low limit HOSE and pink chip games, and even 6-max NL, but even with the largest player pool in the region they could not keep those games running. Time will tell whether Parx can sustain this game variety after their grand opening, but history suggests it will be an uphill climb.
Agreed. I do see a trend, however, with the rise in popularity of both mixed games and mid-limit limit games. Not anywhere near as dramatic as the way NL swept the poker community, but what I see is that NL is busting too many of the fish (yes - still plenty of them to go around, but not AS MANY as in years past) and that they are going away or moving to limit and/or mixed. I expect this trend to continue.

I tried like hell to get the Pink game going at the Borg. It just never got of the ground. I have no idea why the Borg is such a NL oriented room. The Borg does manage to keep PLO going. Yet,that game is even more brutal on the fish, so they are not playing it so much.

Perhaps, Parx will be a game-changer. Time will tell. But, if Ari keeps tables available for these other games, I expect that they will take off. Maybe it's the limit of 4-8 that is magic? That fills a spot between 3-6, which is pointless for mixed games (and anything else) and 5-10, which never gets traction. The 4-8-8-16 levels seem to work well at the Venetian.

Fingers crossed for Parx!
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Old 11-05-2010, 04:33 PM   #1018
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Meh, I guess I will note some more thoughts, while I have a few minutes.

I generally love the room. I will be back, and frequently. Seriously, great room thus far. Everyone should try it out.

But now, the few nitpicks (two of which I don't see any easy way of fixing in the short term):

* As has been mentioned once or twice, the shufflers are not mounted flush with the table surface. This was an engineering error, as we were told they could either be mounted a half inch high (meaning chips and cards won't float over top of them), or an inch too low, meaning chips and cards get trapped in the divot and have to be picked out one by one. Parx chose to mount them high, which is probably the best of bad options. (We did hear that some tables may have them closer to flush mounted, but I didn't see any like that.)

This is a minor grievance, but it will probably generate trouble at some point when a dealer tries to route a pot around the shuffler to seat 7 or 8 and accidentally bumps into seat 6's chip stack, spilling them into the pot. All hell is going to break loose when it happens.

* The waiting area near the podium has no seating. Maybe this is somehow by design, since it will discourage loitering, but it is annoying to the players actually waiting for seats. There is plenty of seating over in the simulcast area (and the PA seems to work well in there), but it is out of sight from the podium, it might be harder to hear if there is ever any ambient racing noise, and I don't know what the eventual planned use is for that room, maybe they will be discouraging non-bettors from congregating in there.

* The chips colors cause some problems, especially the $5 chip - they are a little too busy, having not enough "main" color and too much "spot" color, and there is too much color sharing between chip denominations. (https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...&postcount=930)

In particular, from the side, the baby blue $2 chip looks an awful lot like a red $5 chip (which has baby blue spots). It doesn't seem like it should be hard from the picture, but believe me, it is. It is almost impossible to spot a dirty $5 chip stack, either in your own stack, in another players stack, or even in the chip tray as you buy from the cashier. There may be other chip combinations that are hard to distinguish as well.

* The dealers are trained to chop $5 chips into two $2's and a $1. This probably makes sense for a raked game, but it is a hassle in a time game. Poor, poor me.

That's all I can think of for now, other than things that have already been beaten to death. Haven't tried the food yet - I haven't heard good things, but sample size is still very low.

Still, all in all, a great room. Can't wait to see it improve over the coming weeks!

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* As has been mentioned once or twice, the shufflers are not mounted flush with the table surface. This was an engineering error, as we were told they could either be mounted a half inch high (meaning chips and cards won't float over top of them), or an inch too low, meaning chips and cards get trapped in the divot and have to be picked out one by one. Parx chose to mount them high, which is probably the best of bad options. (We did hear that some tables may have them closer to flush mounted, but I didn't see any like that.)!
How do you have an engineering error for a poker table? Don't you just go to a manufacturer that has made them before with flush mounted shufflers? PA Sands shufflers are fine. Sounds like they went with the "low" bidder and didn't get a good result. Can't wait to check out the room.
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How do you have an engineering error for a poker table? Don't you just go to a manufacturer that has made them before with flush mounted shufflers? PA Sands shufflers are fine. Sounds like they went with the "low" bidder and didn't get a good result. Can't wait to check out the room.
DP had the footrails installed at knee level, Chester has those camoflage chip logos on the sides that hide bets and the right hand sliding drops that knock over seat 10's stacks.

Who knows how this **** happens. Oversight, error, a desire to be different, anything is possible. I doubt it was a "low bidder" situation, as the tables are otherwise quite nice (if small), but your guess is as good as mine.
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Old 11-05-2010, 05:29 PM   #1021
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...with mud and detritus,

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I had no clue. Don't hear this one too often, just thought I'd help out.
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Old 11-05-2010, 05:49 PM   #1022
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Heh, I actually meant it more in the definition 2 kinda way:

2.
a. Disintegrated or eroded matter: the detritus of past civilizations.
b. Accumulated material; debris: "Poems, engravings, press releaseshe eagerly scrutinizes the detritus of fame" (Carlin Romano).

it is basically a bunch of muddy mulch which is covering most of the drain opening, preventing the water from draining off the lots and into the storm drain.
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Old 11-05-2010, 06:03 PM   #1023
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I seriously can not wait to get out and play tomorrow. I'd be there tonight if it weren't for prior commitments.

Does anybody know where they got their tables from?

Also, I'm assuming I can get my Parx player card in Parx East, correct?
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Old 11-05-2010, 06:11 PM   #1024
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Yes, they will make you a card at the podium where you sign up for games, or you can ask a floor to get one for you.
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