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Old 08-17-2015, 09:48 AM   #10101
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Meadowlands project is a minimum of 7 years out
If they put it up for referendum and it was approved by the voters to allow casinos outside of AC (which is what has to happen by state law). The race track can be an operating casino in less than 6 months. When it underwent major reconstruction less than 2 years ago everything was put in place for a quick turnaround to an operating casino.

So I would like to see where you come up with the 7 years.
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Old 08-17-2015, 11:20 AM   #10102
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source ? link? Or just thinking out loud?

At least 18 months for final approval. Bidding out an operator 18 months, Construction 3 years. 12 more months for politics.

References: Sands, Sugarhouse, Wynn Boston, New philly casino.


An operational casino is not what we are talking about. We are talking about a premiere destination with over 100 table/carnival games tables a functioning poker room.

If they do In fact just stand up a slot parlor in the first few months the only people who would lose significant business would be Yonkers and aqueduct.

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Old 08-17-2015, 11:29 AM   #10103
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Just look what happened with the Xanadu project.
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Old 08-17-2015, 05:44 PM   #10104
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Also: I actually give Parx a +1 for charging for alcohol. Overall I think it's the safer thing to do.
Something tells me that that isn't the reason they charge for alcohol

But I agree w/ everything else you said about Parx, they are very well run and have great dealers.
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Old 08-17-2015, 10:29 PM   #10105
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Not to harp on the alcohol, but do they charge us poker players for booze while its free next door because they care about us more??

Im thinking not.....
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Old 08-17-2015, 10:47 PM   #10106
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I was going to be in town next weekend and I have seen they have a $230 tournament on saturday at noon. I was wondering if anybody has any kind of feedback on that tourney. For example the number of entrants and does it turn into a shovefest 5-6 levels in. I have seen the structure online however I was hoping to get some feedback from some Parx tourney regulars. Thank you
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Old 08-17-2015, 10:50 PM   #10107
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If they put it up for referendum and it was approved by the voters to allow casinos outside of AC (which is what has to happen by state law). The race track can be an operating casino in less than 6 months. When it underwent major reconstruction less than 2 years ago everything was put in place for a quick turnaround to an operating casino.

So I would like to see where you come up with the 7 years.
I don't have a firm figure.

But NJ has already declined to put it up for referendum this year - source - http://ballotpedia.org/New_Jersey_No...endment_(2015)

Next year is an election year. Don't hold your breath.

Tack two years onto the rest, and it is not looking good.
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Old 08-18-2015, 12:58 AM   #10108
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Not to harp on the alcohol, but do they charge us poker players for booze while its free next door because they care about us more??

Im thinking not.....
I mean, let's put it like this - who generates more revenue, pit and slot players or poker players? Who generates A LOT more revenue when drunk? They probably make more money charging for alcohol than giving it away for free in the poker room, and the other way around in the main casino.

And b/c they have such a nice poker room, they don't need free alcohol to compete with neighboring poker rooms, so it really makes sense not to give out free alcohol in the poker room for them IMO.
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Old 08-18-2015, 09:02 PM   #10109
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Something tells me that that isn't the reason they charge for alcohol

But I agree w/ everything else you said about Parx, they are very well run and have great dealers.
3 weeks ago we had back to back horrible dealers in the OE game. The 2nd guy was just kind of new and nervous (players were nice). The first gal was an apparent repeat offender and scowled anytime a mistake she made was pointed out (things that materially impacted the hand like putting out 7th street face up for 1 player.)

But yes, other than that very good dealers.
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Old 08-21-2015, 02:47 PM   #10110
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Yeah, I have had a few bad ones. Obviously I give a pass to those that are clearly new, but there is one particular dealer there who I think is rude. But overall, the quality of dealers at Parx is the best of any poker room I've seen (I've seen a lot less live experience than most posting here, though.)
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Old 08-26-2015, 05:37 PM   #10111
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So I would like to see where you come up with the 7 years.
It's in the verbiage of the proposal that New York voted for two years ago:
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Voters on Tuesday easily approved a Gov. Cuomo-backed amendment to the state Constitution that allows up to seven Las Vegas-style casinos in New York.

The casino amendment’s victory means the state can implement an already-approved plan for the initial rollout of four commercial gambling parlors in three upstate regions: the Catskills, the Capital Region and the Southern Tier, along the Pennsylvania border.

The Cuomo-controlled state Gaming Commission is expected to begin seeking bids from casino operators early next year and make final selections sometime later in 2014.

Casinos would be banned in the city and its suburbs for at least seven years.

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I guess that it might be seven years from when the proposition passed - don't know whether it's seven years until casinos can be started or completed which makes a rather large difference.

Regardless, the law says seven year ban.
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Old 08-26-2015, 08:32 PM   #10112
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That's the city, I think were discussing north jersey.
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Old 08-27-2015, 01:34 PM   #10113
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That's the city, I think were discussing north jersey.
Okay, I saw seven years and assumed that's what they were discussing. My bad.

I found this article from two months ago which says Meadowlands can open as soon as next year. But another article from the same time says the NJ Constitution needs to be changed before any casinos outside of AC open.

And that won't happen.

On July 15th, this post says that there will be no referendum on the November ballot so as of now it's impossible for NJ to host any casinos outside of AC.

So it's a year before it can even be discussed and then voters need to vote for it - and you can be sure that south Jersey will mobilize to leave it the way things are (with the assistance of whatever casinos are left in AC who aren't attached to the Meadowlands project).

So... Who knows how long it'll be? If you set the betting line at seven years, I would be inclined to bet the under, but who knows...

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Old 08-28-2015, 08:00 AM   #10114
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LOL....New Jersey is ridiculous. Put a poker room in Freehold Raceway...plenty of rooms in there ....Clubhouse...Billy's Room...the place would be packed. Instead, all of us in central NJ have to drive to Parx. Christie really screwed up with trying to protect Atlantic City for so long. The whole state will be like Greece soon.
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Old 08-28-2015, 12:31 PM   #10115
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LOL....New Jersey is ridiculous. Put a poker room in Freehold Raceway...plenty of rooms in there ....Clubhouse...Billy's Room...the place would be packed. Instead, all of us in central NJ have to drive to Parx. Christie really screwed up with trying to protect Atlantic City for so long. The whole state will be like Greece soon.
Now that NJ will not be having sports betting at their tracks, maybe they will reconsider/expedite putting poker rooms in them.

Not sure if this is going to happen, but it would be nice.
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Old 08-28-2015, 09:11 PM   #10116
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So it's a year before it can even be discussed and then voters need to vote for it - and you can be sure that south Jersey will mobilize to leave it the way things are (with the assistance of whatever casinos are left in AC who aren't attached to the Meadowlands project).



I imagine casinos like Sands, Mt. Airy, and Mohegan Sun @ Pocono Downs would also be interested in trying to block any north jersey casinos.
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Old 08-28-2015, 11:12 PM   #10117
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I imagine casinos like Sands, Mt. Airy, and Mohegan Sun @ Pocono Downs would also be interested in trying to block any north jersey casinos.
What could they do to stop it?
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Old 08-29-2015, 01:47 AM   #10118
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Same thing the casinos in south jersey would do...lobby or donate money to the appropriate places.
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Old 08-29-2015, 01:05 PM   #10119
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They rather put up slot machines then a poker room. Poker rooms take it up more space and bring in less revenue then slot or table games
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Old 08-29-2015, 02:16 PM   #10120
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Why doesn't Parx spread a 5-10 NL game instead of (or in addition to) the 10-10 game?

The floor people seem to think the "regulars" only want 10-10, but most days the game either never gets started, or starts lates and is short handed, with half the people on the list not even showing up.

A 5-10 would let lots of the lower-limit players "take a shot" and probably feed the regs a hell of a lot more than their 10-10 game which generally attracts only other good regs.

Just makes no sense. Every other casino in the area (and most others in the country) spread 2-5, 5-10, and 10-20/25 as the standard limits. Seems like a no-brainer here, eh?
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Old 08-29-2015, 06:29 PM   #10121
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Why doesn't Parx spread a 5-10 NL game instead of (or in addition to) the 10-10 game?

The floor people seem to think the "regulars" only want 10-10, but most days the game either never gets started, or starts lates and is short handed, with half the people on the list not even showing up.

A 5-10 would let lots of the lower-limit players "take a shot" and probably feed the regs a hell of a lot more than their 10-10 game which generally attracts only other good regs.

Just makes no sense. Every other casino in the area (and most others in the country) spread 2-5, 5-10, and 10-20/25 as the standard limits. Seems like a no-brainer here, eh?

There was a bit of a movement to start trying 5/10 about a year ago. It never got legs and didn't last long.

As well it shouldn't. The game is just so much smoother then most 5/10 games, mainly because of the $10 chips. It's also a better deal as far as rake, as the game plays slightly bigger then 5/10 for the same time. PLO gaining popularity and NJ getting online gambling are the main things that reduced the frequency the 10/10 runs.

I think you overestimate the amount of lower limit players who are willing to take a shot at 5/10 and not willing to at 10/10.
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Old 08-29-2015, 09:42 PM   #10122
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Same thing the casinos in south jersey would do...lobby or donate money to the appropriate places.
South Jersey people live in New Jersey. They vote. They are represented in government. They have to be listened to.

Nobody in Jersey gives a flying hoot about Pennsylvania businesses.
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Old 08-29-2015, 11:51 PM   #10123
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I think you overestimate the amount of lower limit players who are willing to take a shot at 5/10 and not willing to at 10/10.
I disagree with this, for several reasons:

1 - look at other casinos who spread this game, such as Sands. The 5/10 runs much more often than the Parx 10/10.

2 - Clearly there are not many willing to play 10/10 now, as the game only runs a few days a week and it's like pulling teeth to get it going sometimes. So 5/10 couldn't be worse than this, and for sure would have a larger player pool. Likely much more profitable for the "regs" as well.

3 - Many times I've heard people at my table wishing/asking for 5/10.

Really the best argument, though, is that if you look at pretty much any other casino, they go from 2-5 to 5-10, so this has already been optimized by free-market forces, so to speak It's Parx which is the mutation here.
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Old 08-30-2015, 02:01 AM   #10124
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South Jersey people live in New Jersey. They vote. They are represented in government. They have to be listened to.

Nobody in Jersey gives a flying hoot about Pennsylvania businesses.
The south Jersey residents might not care who is paying for all of those ads that say that legalizing casinos outside of AC will be a killer for their communities, their schools, their way of life.

But they'll watch the ads because those PA businesses will spend millions to make sure they are all over the place.

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Old 08-30-2015, 07:49 AM   #10125
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The south Jersey residents might not care who is paying for all of those ads that say that legalizing casinos outside of AC will be a killer for their communities, their schools, their way of life.

But they'll watch the ads because those PA businesses will spend millions to make sure they are all over the place.

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This is not about advertisements. This is about politics and economics, plain and simple.

In order to get reelected, Christie needs support from local politicians throughout the state. His support in the South was conditional on not permitting casinos in the north for at least five years. So he buys into the following compromise: online gambling for the casinos, and sports betting for the tracks.

Fences mended, election won.

Some % of the tax revenue of any northern NJ casino(s) would have to be shipped down to AC. Whatever has been offered is insufficient. A new governor may be able to force some kind of deal. Time will tell.

It is delusional to think PA businesses would have any say in this.
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