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Old 02-10-2013, 11:08 AM   #8326
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Re: Parx Casino (Bensalem, PA) -- FAQ updated 2011.09.08

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4/8 and 8/16 omaha hi lo, getting rid of stud h/l?
I don't think one day of 4/8 O8 running means Stud8 is dead. The 6/12 OE game and player pool are pretty well established at this point.
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Old 02-10-2013, 11:25 AM   #8327
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The 8-16 game had been running all night, and the 6-12 OE game was breaking because none of the players wanted to play stud any more, so they bumped it down to 4-8 O8.
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Old 02-10-2013, 02:57 PM   #8328
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I played the 8/16 O8 for like an hour while I waited for my friend to finish day 2 of the $300 tourney. Everyone was friendly and helpful for the most part but I did notice a couple things that people who play these games should keep in mind. I played a decent amount of mix games online before black friday and I enjoy playing all the games instead of just nlhe/plo, but I don't have a lot of experience playing these games live and had never played limit O8 live before. The first hand I came in there was a kill on and it took me a few seconds to figure out how many chips I was supposed to put in the pot. During my first hand at the table a player in the hand with me got visibly annoyed that it was taking me a couple seconds to put out the right chips. Then in the hand I flopped the nut low (as did he) and I ended up hitting a flush on the river for the nut high to quarter him (he had the nut straight on the turn). After the hand he then proceeded to ***** about getting rivered for a few minutes and during this time also gave me a mini lecture on how I should be limping and not raising in late position with A10dd29ss. Overall he was a nice guy but when you're regularly playing this game imo it is just unacceptable to act like this unless you want to chase players away.

Since I play a lot of live poker none of this really annoyed me or made me want to leave, but I wouldn't be surprised if someone who doesn't usually play would feel a bit intimidated/uncomfortable and may think twice when deciding whether to sit down or not in the future. These non holdem games are already mostly the same people passing money around. We should be trying to increase the popularity of these games by showing people that these games can be a lot of fun, not doing things that chase people away.

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Old 02-10-2013, 04:02 PM   #8329
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theres always players who likes to lecture and *****
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Old 02-10-2013, 04:54 PM   #8330
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There is a super shortage of dealers on what may be the busiest day. That shouldn't happen. The wait lists are forever long.
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Old 02-10-2013, 09:34 PM   #8331
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There is a super shortage of dealers on what may be the busiest day. That shouldn't happen. The wait lists are forever long.
There are three big tournaments running.
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Old 02-11-2013, 09:11 AM   #8332
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Parx is really resting on its laurels because of how stingy it is with poker players. On the positive I stayed at the place in from thursday to sunday its right on the grounds and at 58 dollars on weekends you can't beat the price nor the cleanliness of the hotel. Bed was nice and comfortable the hotel staff was friendly and accomadating not that many people know about it.

Parx should really do away the table side eating its really disgusting I have to say. I was playing 2 5 nl bought in for full and guy spent 30 minutes eating a stinky smelly salad right in front of him not even bothering with a tray. Kinda hard to concentrate with someone eating crunching like no tommorow and it was like that for 4 days. People can place their order go into adjacent room and eat there, plenty of tables.

The 1 dollar comp an hour is ridiculous also although since i played sixty hours in 3 and 1/2 days I was able to get a few meals. Charging for drinks is super cheap and tacky also I mean six dollars for a Corona? Really? 8 dollars for cocktails? The rake is substantially higher at parx then anywhere else I have played, give something back to the players like free drinks. Ac is an hour further but Borgatta gives you free rooms, free drinks better comps per hour, parx is just plain greedy. The floors and employees are very customer service orientated and most of the waitresses are smoking hot. Players are higher caliber people then the atlantic city regulars although a lot of players I spoke to play at Parx and Ac.

I did see a few riff raff at 2 5 nl. The three stooges or kumar , napolean dynamite and the guy in taxi who came to get latka to fight in the war. I had to laugh when 2 of the 3 amigos where all in with kk qq board was kjq another player was all in board ran out unpaired and guy slow rolled them with a10 lolz. They left in quite a huff berating everyone.

It is really hard to table select at parx. If for instance you are sitting at a nit fest the floor will not allow you to move to a table. The floor would rather have 2 tables of 5 and 5 going then combing table and I don't think open seating exists at parx If I am stuck and at 1 2nl I want to go to a loose table and not stay at table with six people 4 of whom have less then 100 dollars. Parx has so much potential but management has to give something more then is currently available to its loyal players.

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Old 02-11-2013, 10:05 AM   #8333
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Re: Parx Casino (Bensalem, PA) -- FAQ updated 2011.09.08

Just to correct one thing, you can change tables at 1-2 and 2-5 (and any game without a must move), but as in all rooms, you need to tell the floor you want to table change, and s/he will make it happen when they seat the next player, assuming your table isn't the short one. if so, then you have to wait until they are balanced.

they definitely won't combine two 5 player tables because Parx tables are 9 handed. Will they combine a 5 and a 4? Depends on lots of factors, but mainly whether they expect more people soon, and whether both tables want to.

i won't argue about the desire for more comps and free drinks and lower rake, but it's worth noting that PA taxes their casinos more than NJ/AC does, and as with all things, it's all about supply and demand.

finally, a shout out to one of the 15-30 quasi-regs, who won the first tourney.
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Old 02-11-2013, 08:15 PM   #8334
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I don't think one day of 4/8 O8 running means Stud8 is dead. The 6/12 OE game and player pool are pretty well established at this point.
You're right, 6/12 OE has an established player base.

Personally, I think it would be great if Parx spread three games; 4/8 O8, 6/12 Stud H/L (or HOSE), and 8/16 O8.
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Old 02-11-2013, 08:20 PM   #8335
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theres always players who likes to lecture and *****
Yes, the 6/12 OE game has a lot of, ahem, "Table Captains".
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Old 02-11-2013, 08:35 PM   #8336
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Yes, the 6/12 OE game has a lot of, ahem, "Table Captains".
IMO there are three "good" regular players in that game. Some of the "pro" regs are anxious to wield their power of checking it down amongst each other because they are to clueless to know where they are at in the hand. I play in the game fairly often and can honestly say I fear/respect three of the players in the game and the rest are playing a higher form of bingo. It is a good game though.

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Old 02-11-2013, 09:02 PM   #8337
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To all the people who complain about rake/comps,

The effective casino tax rates* by state are listed below:

Nevada: 8 percent
New Jersey: 9 percent
Mississippi: 12 percent
Colorado: 14 percent
South Dakota: 16 percent
Oklahoma: 17 percent
Iowa: 22 percent
Michigan: 23 percent
Louisiana: 24 percent
Kansas: 25 percent
New Mexico: 26 percent
Missouri: 27 percent
Indiana: 31 percent
Illinois: 34 percent
West Virginia: 43 percent
Delaware: 43 percent
Florida: 43 percent
New York: 46 percent
Maine: 49 percent
Pennsylvania: 53 percent
Maryland: 58 percent
Rhode Island: 62 percent

*2011 numbers. I doubt they've radically changed since.

Parx has been really responsive to making changes that have been requested in this very thread. Hopefully they don't start a BBJ which would jack up the rake further but there's a reason that Ari never responds to the cries for lower rake.

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Old 02-11-2013, 10:14 PM   #8338
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Re: Parx Casino (Bensalem, PA) -- FAQ updated 2011.09.08

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To all the people who complain about rake/comps,

The effective casino tax rates* by state are listed below:

Nevada: 8 percent
New Jersey: 9 percent
Mississippi: 12 percent
Colorado: 14 percent
South Dakota: 16 percent
Oklahoma: 17 percent
Iowa: 22 percent
Michigan: 23 percent
Louisiana: 24 percent
Kansas: 25 percent
New Mexico: 26 percent
Missouri: 27 percent
Indiana: 31 percent
Illinois: 34 percent
West Virginia: 43 percent
Delaware: 43 percent
Florida: 43 percent
New York: 46 percent
Maine: 49 percent
Pennsylvania: 53 percent
Maryland: 58 percent
Rhode Island: 62 percent

*2011 numbers. I doubt they've radically changed since.

Parx has been really responsive to making changes that have been requested in this very thread. Hopefully they don't start a BBJ which would jack up the rake further but there's a reason that Ari never responds to the cries for lower rake.
So Parx is bound by law to not give more then 1 dollar per hour as comps and is not able to give free drinks by law? I was not aware of that if that is the case. Now I understand that can't do anything about the rake but they can't do anything about comps or free drinks really? Think about it drunk players =looser games= more rake=better action games. I didn't see hardly any players ordering drinks. I don't drink but it would be great if other people did for obvious reasons and they would if there where free drinks! If the rake is sky high they can't compensate players in comps? 1 dollar per hour is the lowest anywhere and I understand they don't have a hotel so can't give out free rooms but how about throwing in free meals and other perks if you play long sessions that is to unreasonable to ask for ? Why even bother giving out the 1 dollar an hour? A couple of people in this thread are so pro parx it seemes like they throw anyone under bus who dares to complain. There are other options on where to play, Parx dosen't have a monopoly on poker I would think they would want to draw customers in they aren't doing much to do that in terms of player inscentives.

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Old 02-11-2013, 10:29 PM   #8339
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Yes, the 6/12 OE game has a lot of, ahem, "Table Captains".
Which is a shame because I have never played OE live and would like to take a shot, but all I have heard about the regs who frequent "the game" since there is almost always only one table. I don't feel comfortable sitting,

This the opposite of what I would think a small player base would do. I would be under the impression, they would like to grow the game and bring in new players.
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Old 02-11-2013, 10:43 PM   #8340
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I was playing 1 2 nl and heard a loud guy at omaha complaining about the preppie guy , getting personal on a 20 minute rant at omaha table nex to me. Entertaining but def not for players at that table. He was like 45 obv dosen't know how to act in public and no one dealer said anyhting to him.
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Old 02-11-2013, 11:44 PM   #8341
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So Parx is bound by law to not give more then 1 dollar per hour as comps and is not able to give free drinks by law?
No, other games have higher comps already. The point is that they are making WAY less money than the other casinos and as such can't just give it back to the players in the form of comps. Played 10/20 in Deleware Park and got .25/hour in comps. Everything is relative. Parx has always been good and very accommodating to reasonable player requests imho. It all depends on what you personally feel is reasonable.
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Old 02-12-2013, 12:02 AM   #8342
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My point is that you should complain about the BBJ instead of the rake. The BBJ ****ing sucks. Enough of an outcry might prevent Parx from implementing it.
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Old 02-12-2013, 12:13 AM   #8343
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Re: Parx Casino (Bensalem, PA) -- FAQ updated 2011.09.08

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To all the people who complain about rake/comps,

The effective casino tax rates* by state are listed below:

Nevada: 8 percent
New Jersey: 9 percent
Mississippi: 12 percent
Colorado: 14 percent
South Dakota: 16 percent
Oklahoma: 17 percent
Iowa: 22 percent
Michigan: 23 percent
Louisiana: 24 percent
Kansas: 25 percent
New Mexico: 26 percent
Missouri: 27 percent
Indiana: 31 percent
Illinois: 34 percent
West Virginia: 43 percent
Delaware: 43 percent
Florida: 43 percent
New York: 46 percent
Maine: 49 percent
Pennsylvania: 53 percent
Maryland: 58 percent
Rhode Island: 62 percent

*2011 numbers. I doubt they've radically changed since.

Parx has been really responsive to making changes that have been requested in this very thread. Hopefully they don't start a BBJ which would jack up the rake further but there's a reason that Ari never responds to the cries for lower rake.
I'm not sure what they mean by "effective" tax rates. I've read before that the taxes in PA vary tremendously from game to game. Pulling these numbers out of my arse but it was something like 50% for slots, and like 15% for poker and table games. If I'm correct in that using the tax reasoning for lack of giveback to the players doesn't jive.

Parx does a ton of stuff right, but they are cheap and greedy, they have been since they opened. They can be from lack of competition, great location etc.
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Old 02-12-2013, 12:16 AM   #8344
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My point is that you should complain about the BBJ instead of the rake. The BBJ ****ing sucks. Enough of an outcry might prevent Parx from implementing it.
Disagree. Most of the BBJ gets paid back to players, what , like 90% or something. That 11c per winning hand creates a lot of excitement, especially among poorer players, the players you want to be there. Seems reasonable for 11c.

Don't know why I always disagree with you Nickel, I always get along with you in person and agree with most of your thoughts in person. Not sure why you have such bad opinions on the internet
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Old 02-12-2013, 12:42 AM   #8345
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Sure it jives. If they aren't making as much money in slots due to significantly higher taxes then they can't afford to be shooting themselves in the foot in poker by lowering rake and raising comps.

As for the BBJ, at first I didn't care because it most likely wouldn't affect me because I play 10/10 (where I hope to god they won't implement it). But then I realized that some of the gambly players who just want to fire a $1k bullet that night and go home might choose 2/5 over 10/10. Add to that the fact that hundreds of thousands of dollars a year will get pulled out of the poker economy and taxed on big jackpot payouts. Sure table share winners who win their 2-6k or whatever will recycle that money into the poker economy but jackpot winners aren't magically going to dump back their $100k scores.

I just don't think the BBJ will bring in enough new dead money to offset all these downsides.
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Old 02-12-2013, 01:49 AM   #8346
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So Parx is bound by law to not give more then 1 dollar per hour as comps and is not able to give free drinks by law? .
Valley Forge gives free drinks on the floor, so unless there is a subtle chance in the law since VF is a "resort" that is a choice, not a law.
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Old 02-12-2013, 01:49 AM   #8347
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I'm not sure what they mean by "effective" tax rates. I've read before that the taxes in PA vary tremendously from game to game. Pulling these numbers out of my arse but it was something like 50% for slots, and like 15% for poker and table games. If I'm correct in that using the tax reasoning for lack of giveback to the players doesn't jive.

Parx does a ton of stuff right, but they are cheap and greedy, they have been since they opened. They can be from lack of competition, great location etc.
Correct unless this article is wrong.

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Old 02-12-2013, 03:42 AM   #8348
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Sure it jives. If they aren't making as much money in slots due to significantly higher taxes then they can't afford to be shooting themselves in the foot in poker by lowering rake and raising comps.

As for the BBJ, at first I didn't care because it most likely wouldn't affect me because I play 10/10 (where I hope to god they won't implement it). But then I realized that some of the gambly players who just want to fire a $1k bullet that night and go home might choose 2/5 over 10/10. Add to that the fact that hundreds of thousands of dollars a year will get pulled out of the poker economy and taxed on big jackpot payouts. Sure table share winners who win their 2-6k or whatever will recycle that money into the poker economy but jackpot winners aren't magically going to dump back their $100k scores.

I just don't think the BBJ will bring in enough new dead money to offset all these downsides.
Agree with all of this.
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Old 02-12-2013, 07:26 AM   #8349
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Valley Forge gives free drinks on the floor, so unless there is a subtle chance in the law since VF is a "resort" that is a choice, not a law.
Chester gives free drinks at 2 5 and above games. So, this is clearly not a law. Just a cost analysis decision most likely.
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Chester gives free drinks at 2 5 and above games. So, this is clearly not a law. Just a cost analysis decision most likely.
Pretty backwards thinking cost analysis wise as no one bought drinks except the occasional player, maybe 3 people bought beer or cocktails in my 50 plus hours of play over 4 days. At other poker rooms all other poker rooms I go go the drinks are free and people always drink and the games are always looser, easier to beat and it would bring more rake to parx if had free drinks. I don't drink I am looking at it from buisness standpoint. Parx is just being cheap and shooting themselves in the foot for reasons stated by not offering free drinks at all poker table games.

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