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Old 12-28-2012, 07:56 PM   #8201
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I've seen them let people chop in situations like AK vs AK aipf before. Other than that I can't recall being there for an equity chop or other kinda of business.

I'm sure if you didn't make a big deal and ask the floor many dealers would let it happen if it went smoothly and didn't interrupt the flow of the game.
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Old 12-28-2012, 10:33 PM   #8202
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Re: Parx Casino (Bensalem, PA) -- FAQ updated 2011.09.08

How did I interrupt flow of game? I didn't ask the floor the dealer told us as I recall. They apparently get in trouble for allowing. All I'm saying is that they should allow straddles hu and business.

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Old 12-28-2012, 10:53 PM   #8203
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I didn't say anything about your situation. I was using the general/non-specific form of "you."

My gut says many dealers would allow it. Maybe yours didn't and maybe none of them would let it slide now.
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Old 12-28-2012, 11:21 PM   #8204
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Re: Parx Casino (Bensalem, PA) -- FAQ updated 2011.09.08

I have definitely played hu matches where we straddled the button and no one ever questioned it.

I have also seen people chop AA vs AA or similar type hands MAYBE twice and it was all done really quickly where both players snap agreed to do it and the dealer split the pot and moved on. Anytime someone has asked about running it twice or doing business they have been turned down by the dealer and its always because "they don't let us do it."
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Old 12-30-2012, 12:10 AM   #8205
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He's talking about a HU situation. They wouldn't let it slide in a full game.

My roommate played someone HU 20/20NL and they let it happen even though its not a real game the casino spreads.
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Old 12-30-2012, 10:32 AM   #8206
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Re: Parx Casino (Bensalem, PA) -- FAQ updated 2011.09.08

All I will add is that it's ill-advised to do any business that the casino doesn't enforce. Too many ways to get screwed over, free rolled, whatever.
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Old 12-30-2012, 11:21 PM   #8207
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Re: Parx Casino (Bensalem, PA) -- FAQ updated 2011.09.08

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all business and running more than once would take away from the hands per hour because once it starts at one table, people will just assume that they can do it and it slows down the business for the room. so less hands=less rake. In time based rake games I've played they allow it, but thats in LA
Talking about high limit side only which are timed games. I don't expect the casino to allow running it more than once in the biggest money makers for them, the raked games. On the other hand, allowing this benefits the casino as it keeps players in action longer essentially producing more time/rake. Also, generally keeps players happy.

Just a reminder that allowing to run it multiple time does not always mean its going to happen. It's within the players right to refuse it and just run it once.

IMO, higher limit cash games are built around the players and should be more laid back on straddles, business, cash playing, etc... Parx has a lot of westcoast characteristics. Why not add a few more? I think it would benefit the room.

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Old 12-30-2012, 11:47 PM   #8208
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Re: Parx Casino (Bensalem, PA) -- FAQ updated 2011.09.08

Parx has new tournament schedule starting in January.

http://parxpokerblog.com/2012/12/30/...tourn_cal0113/

I think the only addition is $60+10+10 Deep Stack Turbo Bounty Sundays at Noon.
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Old 12-31-2012, 01:12 PM   #8209
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Re: Parx Casino (Bensalem, PA) -- FAQ updated 2011.09.08

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I was told we could not straddle in a HU NL game last night at Parx. What is the reasoning behind this? We were also told we cannot do "business" as in equity chops or running it twice, which I knew about... But in a cash game, on the high limit side, shouldn't the players be allowed to do what they want action/business-wise? Considering the amount of bigger games Parx has I think they should be more lienient on matters like this.
I've definitely played heads up 2/5 with a mandatory straddle (so 10/5) at Parx. This was at 2am on a Friday night, and we were generous with the dealer.
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Old 01-02-2013, 09:20 PM   #8210
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Re: Parx Casino (Bensalem, PA) -- FAQ updated 2011.09.08

Hey guys I was looking for a little bit of help. I have played parx many times typically
1-2 and the occasional shot at 2-5. I'm looking to take a shot at the OE game. I have zero experience playing these games for real money so I was looking for any advice or info on the game. Any pointers on etiquette for OE as opposed to NLHE or the parx game in particular would be greatly appreciated!
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Old 01-03-2013, 12:47 AM   #8211
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Re: Parx Casino (Bensalem, PA) -- FAQ updated 2011.09.08

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Hey guys I was looking for a little bit of help. I have played parx many times typically
1-2 and the occasional shot at 2-5. I'm looking to take a shot at the OE game. I have zero experience playing these games for real money so I was looking for any advice or info on the game. Any pointers on etiquette for OE as opposed to NLHE or the parx game in particular would be greatly appreciated!
They are pretty easy about it, I have no idea what I am doing when I play that game and literally ask "how many chips do I have to put out now?". They will be happy that you are obviously not super awesome at the game.
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Old 01-03-2013, 02:59 AM   #8212
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Re: Parx Casino (Bensalem, PA) -- FAQ updated 2011.09.08

Advice #1: try to remember that it's a hi-low game

Advice #2: try to remember that in omaha you need to use 2 and exactly 2 cards from your downcards

Advice #3: if you make it to showdown, especially in omaha, table your hand. If you table your hand, the cards speak, and the excellent players in the game will help you read your hand. If you don't table your hand, it is virtually guaranteed you will eventually **** up and not notice you have a low winner.

Advice #4: try to verbalize your actions. it's a kill game, and it's easy to forget sometimes that the kill is on, so you might put out a raise or a complete only to discover that it's ruled a call because you didn't get quite enough out there. verbalizing will protect you from this.

I really enjoy playing in this game for a change of pace, even though I stink at both O and E. Have fun!
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Old 01-03-2013, 09:27 AM   #8213
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Re: Parx Casino (Bensalem, PA) -- FAQ updated 2011.09.08

Nice advice dinesh, especially 3 and 4. It's very easy to misread your hand. I get confused when there is 4 low cards on the board and have mucked half the pot before. Verbalizing is something I started doing pretty early in my live playing days just to avoid confusion. Definitely a good idea in limit.

I'd also add:

Leave your bets in front of you in a heads up pot. Many pots will be split, you just take your bets back and the dealer will chop the middle.

When folding in stud, turn down your faceup cards and then fold for the sake of the game speed.

Other than that, run good!
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Old 01-03-2013, 04:19 PM   #8214
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Re: Parx Casino (Bensalem, PA) -- FAQ updated 2011.09.08

Might as well ask here since we're on the subject...can someone explain to me exactly what the kill game aspect of it means? I know it's something about someone scooping and the limits double but no one's ever fully properly explained it to me.
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Old 01-03-2013, 04:36 PM   #8215
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Re: Parx Casino (Bensalem, PA) -- FAQ updated 2011.09.08

when a player scoops two consecutive pots it activates the kill hand,i believe a kill button is put in front of that player who is then forced to post a third blind,and the betting limits of the subsequent hand (or hands if the same player wins the kill hand) are doubled.when a different player wins a hand the kill is deactivated. sometimes the kill is activated on the subsequent hand when the pot reaches a predetermined amount in the preceding hand.
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Old 01-03-2013, 04:47 PM   #8216
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Re: Parx Casino (Bensalem, PA) -- FAQ updated 2011.09.08

some places use the two consecutive pot rule, but at Parx the kill is on when you scoop any single pot that is over 90 (?) dollars at 6-12 (I can't remember the exact amount).

The 6-12 OE game is actually a half kill, which means things increase by 50%. But they eventually decided to round things up to 10-20 rather than 9-18.

So in omaha, the next hand will have normal small (3) and big (6) blinds, and the person with the kill has to put out 10. It's then 10 to the UTG player, and the kill player has an option when it gets to him in turn. If the kill player is one of the blinds, he puts out 10 instead of the normal blind amount, and it's 10 to the UTG player. The rest of the hand plays out as 10-20. If the pot gets split (or somehow doesn't make it to $90), the kill ends. If someone scoops at least 90, you repeat for the next hand.

In Stud, everyone ante's like normal, except the kill player has to put out an additional $3. The bring-in is then $3, and the complete is to 10. The hand plays out as 10-20. Again, if someone scoops for at least 90, then the next hand is also a kill.

If the kill is still on at the dealer change, you keep playing the same game until the kill comes off. Generally they don't collect time until the game changes.
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Old 01-03-2013, 07:03 PM   #8217
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Re: Parx Casino (Bensalem, PA) -- FAQ updated 2011.09.08

Oh ok that makes more sense than what I've heard from other people thanks guys!
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Old 01-04-2013, 07:09 AM   #8218
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IMO, higher limit cash games are built around the players and should be more laid back on straddles, business, cash playing, etc... Parx has a lot of westcoast characteristics. Why not add a few more? I think it would benefit the room.

Playing cash and running it twice are gaming violations in PA. While Parx is lenient on allowing players to do things, they still have to adhere to PGCB regulations.
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Old 01-04-2013, 10:34 AM   #8219
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^ I am aware of this and I'm not trying to get away w anything that is not allowed but do you think it is possible to implement some of these rule changes such as running it multiple times in PLO and at NL stakes of 10-10 and up? This might help the high variance of the plo game that has seldomly been running. I know you guys have the power to do this. Especially if you were able to get straddles approved.
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Old 01-04-2013, 11:29 AM   #8220
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Re: Parx Casino (Bensalem, PA) -- FAQ updated 2011.09.08

dislike runnin it 2x..
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Old 01-04-2013, 06:04 PM   #8221
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So the blinds in 6/12 are 3 and 6???

Bets pre flop and on the flop are in increments of 6 and turn and river bets are 12 increments??

What are people buying in for in this game, plays w $2 chips I assume?

1 rack sufficient?

I would like to take a shot at some limit games but really don't have a good grasp on the game play as I am strictly a nl player...
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Old 01-04-2013, 06:19 PM   #8222
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Yes, the blinds in 6-12 O8 are 3 and 6, and the bets are in increments of 6 and 12. The ante in stud is $1, and the bring-in is 2, complete to 6. It plays with $2 chips, and I usually buy in for a rack, donk it off, then buy a second. The normal BI is 1-2 racks in my experience.

Since they take $4/hh time instead of a rake, it's a better deal than playing in the 4-8 LHE game (which is taking up to $5 per hand and 15+ hands a hh), but the games are obviously much different. For me that is the whole reason for playing OE, but if you just want to learn how limit plays, the 4-8 LHE might also be an option, but over time the rake will kill you there.
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Old 01-04-2013, 06:23 PM   #8223
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So the blinds in 6/12 are 3 and 6???

Bets pre flop and on the flop are in increments of 6 and turn and river bets are 12 increments??

What are people buying in for in this game, plays w $2 chips I assume?

1 rack sufficient?

I would like to take a shot at some limit games but really don't have a good grasp on the game play as I am strictly a nl player...
You have it all correct.

On the rare occasions I can get to Parx I usually buy in for two racks for OE, but one is sufficient. The rule of thumb in limit is to make sure you have enough bets to get to the cap on each round of betting (a bet and three raises at Parx). This is rare, but does happen once in a while. For HE and O8, that would be 12 BB as a minimum. Of course you often lose a hand or two before you find a winner, so the extra rack avoids having to top off.
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Old 01-04-2013, 06:24 PM   #8224
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Oops! Dinesh beat me to it!
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Old 01-04-2013, 07:04 PM   #8225
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Yes, the blinds in 6-12 O8 are 3 and 6, and the bets are in increments of 6 and 12. The ante in stud is $1, and the bring-in is 2, complete to 6. It plays with $2 chips, and I usually buy in for a rack, donk it off, then buy a second. The normal BI is 1-2 racks in my experience.

Since they take $4/hh time instead of a rake, it's a better deal than playing in the 4-8 LHE game (which is taking up to $5 per hand and 15+ hands a hh), but the games are obviously much different. For me that is the whole reason for playing OE, but if you just want to learn how limit plays, the 4-8 LHE might also be an option, but over time the rake will kill you there.
Thank you for the helpful description, I now have a better picture. And to be sure it's Omaha / Stud 8 so there is a possibility of a split pot if there is a qualifying low hand ? Is this the same as 7 card stud hi/lo ? and the game changes after every orbit .. Amirite ?
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