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Old 07-19-2012, 12:31 AM   #7626
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Old 07-19-2012, 07:04 AM   #7627
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Any chance PLO runs before the 7PM tonight?
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Old 07-19-2012, 07:58 AM   #7628
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Any chance PLO runs before the 7PM tonight?
I'd love to get an early start on PLO tonight. If you get there in the afternoon, put my name on the interest lists for 5-0 and 5-5. Initials are OE. TY
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Old 07-20-2012, 12:10 AM   #7629
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Now a personal question... why do you even care? You described the guy as a regular, which probably means he is decent or at the very least not the guy you came to target. If a huge fish wins a few pots then takes money off that would be frustrating, but I could care less if it were a good player, probably even vote to allow him to take money off the table without switching tables, maybe it's just me and I'm not as good as everyone else.
Well, first of all, I have only been playing at Parx a couple weeks, but since I've seen him a few times I was just guessing that he was a regular.

Second, I care because it takes money out of the game. Anything that takes money out of the game is bad. There is a reason that you're not allowed to just take chips off the table and stick them in your pocket whenever you want. Because it hurts the game. It hurts the game because it allows people to take money out of the game without any risk to themselves and doesn't give anyone the chance to win the money back. Getting up and leaving for the night is one thing. It is a completely different thing to protect your winnings risk-free AND get to keep playing with the chance to win more money without anyone else having the chance/opportunity to win the other money back. It's a dirty strategy.

I point out again: if you sit at a table, you are not allowed to take chips off and stick them in your pocket whenever you want. This is one of the most basic rules of poker. Table hopping allows you to do this exact thing, however.

It is not a "huge" deal and it is not going to stop me from playing at Parx, but I definitely think that it is scummy.
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Old 07-20-2012, 12:35 AM   #7630
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I point out again: if you sit at a table, you are not allowed to take chips off and stick them in your pocket whenever you want. This is one of the most basic rules of poker. Table hopping allows you to do this exact thing, however.
By you leaving the table, the players cannot get your chips. Whether you top-off, halve your stack, or bring the min to the next table does not concern the previous table.

Assuming your stack upon leaving the first table exceeded the max buy-in at those limits, the new table would also not be able to win the excess of your stack (which is now in your pocket) nor are you allowing that to figure in to the effective stack size you'll play with/against. Rules? Yes. Scummy? Doubtful
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Old 07-20-2012, 02:43 AM   #7631
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Not using red chips/$5 bring-in for 1/2 PLO is just atrocious for game flow and just makes life miserable for dealers and players. IMO better ev to just pay time and keep it a single blind $5-0 PLO.
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Old 07-20-2012, 08:12 AM   #7632
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Are you able to take chips off your stack when switching tables at this casino? I've only been playing here a few weeks and I've noticed it a few times now. Last night was the most egregious I've seen - a guy I've seen there a few times so is likely a reg left a 2/5 table with ~1600 in green and a rack of red, dropped off his green at the cage on the way to his next table and just sat with his rack of red and pocketed the rest.

I presume this is not OK and it's kinda disturbing how often I have seen it. I have never noticed it at a poker room before as much as at Parx. I know this can be super hard to police, but when floors let people move to other tables they really need to watch that they bring their whole stack over.
This is allowed in our room for the reason that he is moving to a different game where he is considered a new player. There are many pro's and con's but we feel this is the correct ruling, and as you said it's really difficult to police
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Old 07-20-2012, 10:51 AM   #7633
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Not using red chips/$5 bring-in for 1/2 PLO is just atrocious for game flow and just makes life miserable for dealers and players. IMO better ev to just pay time and keep it a single blind $5-0 PLO.
When I got there last night, the game was called for 1/2 NLH/PLO Mix. I went to dinner and came back and it was just 1/2 PLO. I was suprised that they hadn't made it 5-0, because there was also a 5-0 list.
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Old 07-20-2012, 11:01 AM   #7634
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This is allowed in our room for the reason that he is moving to a different game where he is considered a new player. There are many pro's and con's but we feel this is the correct ruling, and as you said it's really difficult to police
Maybe you should warn repeat offenders, and come up with a penalty for continuing to offend. Also, why are players allowed to hop right into games without asking the floor or the desk?

You have a TON of new players coming into town for the upcoming WPT, largely to support Mr Glantz. It would be a shame for these new players get a bad taste in their mouth because Parx allows people to go south.
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Old 07-20-2012, 11:55 PM   #7635
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Fwiw a guy just sat down on my left and a man in a suit with glasses walked over and asked who table hopped without asking. Dealer pointed him out and floor asked him to go back after the hand (he was in a hand at that point). He folded and left. They're at least trying to enforce the rules.
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Old 07-21-2012, 06:33 PM   #7636
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When I got there last night, the game was called for 1/2 NLH/PLO Mix. I went to dinner and came back and it was just 1/2 PLO. I was suprised that they hadn't made it 5-0, because there was also a 5-0 list.
If you looked at the line up you see why it was 1-2 instead of 5-0 PLO... What a torturous game... I attempted to play the other day when there was 6 limpers then 4 bets pf and the poor dealer had a blank stare on her face trying to figure out the pot to the exact dollar amount. I'd rather take a nap on a Camden park bench at dawn.
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Old 07-21-2012, 06:41 PM   #7637
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Fwiw a guy just sat down on my left and a man in a suit with glasses walked over and asked who table hopped without asking. Dealer pointed him out and floor asked him to go back after the hand (he was in a hand at that point). He folded and left. They're at least trying to enforce the rules.
There is one floor person covering a dozen or more tables. There is a dealer on each table. It shouldn't be the floor person's job to scan every table constantly for table hoppers. The dealers shouldn't deal any new player in unless that person was escorted or visually ok'ed to sit there by the floor.
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Old 07-21-2012, 06:54 PM   #7638
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Maybe you should warn repeat offenders, and come up with a penalty for continuing to offend. Also, why are players allowed to hop right into games without asking the floor or the desk?

You have a TON of new players coming into town for the upcoming WPT, largely to support Mr Glantz. It would be a shame for these new players get a bad taste in their mouth because Parx allows people to go south.
Im not much of a fan of the rule either but if it isnt breaking any rules, why should they be given a warning? The small % of people that would be supporting Matt Glantz would have little or no effect on this rule as they would generally tend to have better ethics and less opportunity to transfer tables bc of higher stakes = less game selection. When transfering tables it would technically not be going "south" bc as ari stated, they are a new player at that point.
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Old 07-22-2012, 09:39 AM   #7639
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There is one floor person covering a dozen or more tables. There is a dealer on each table. It shouldn't be the floor person's job to scan every table constantly for table hoppers. The dealers shouldn't deal any new player in unless that person was escorted or visually ok'ed to sit there by the floor.
This is the way it's usually handled in other casinos. It's definitely more of a dealer job than a floor job. Contrast this with Parx, where a self-seating player is likely met with: "Hello David, would you like a hand?"

Enforcement is especially important if players are allowed to legally go south on table change, so they don't simply table hop at will as a means of ratholing.

At least having to involve the floor for table changes slows that process down and stifles the appearance that the regulars are getting preferential treatment.

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Old 07-22-2012, 03:39 PM   #7640
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My first time here

$1 comp is good

1/2 game seems soft

Comfortable chairs

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Blue chips take some getting used to

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Old 07-23-2012, 04:58 PM   #7641
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I was at Parx yesterday for WPT qualifier and cash games, I go there fairly often,sort of. Usually have good experiences there, and have been very lucky in my visits.
I was watching the cash games yesterday after reading the threads here in past few days about the table hopping and or new player rule. For yesterday anyways, everything was in order they had it, there was not table hopping, there was an order to what they were doing. I have been there on slower play times, when a lot of players are trying to jump around alot, gets old, they let it go, and that habit sometimes erodes into busier times as well when you have a dealers discretion. Most of the time at parx it is definitely a semi regular who the dealer knows and doesnt want to argue/advise a guy has to see every day at work. But yesterday they seemed aware, like they had read the posts...LOL
Also has been mentioned, I like to see that "arms length" friendship between dealers and regulars, I dont mind if they are best buddies and know every detail of private lives, but not at the table, the appearance of objectivity is way more important. All that dead money at the end of the table wont spew if he knows that the dealer and six of the other players spend 40 hours a week together. They blame their loss and leave upon a worry of collusion, that leaves you with the same six guys....okay enough
I like playing there, the dealers and staff are great, been very lucky there, looking forward to the upcoming tourneys and cash games, they seem to be improving all the time. And this WPT will be awesome....sorry for the ramble,Ill be there.
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Old 07-23-2012, 06:26 PM   #7642
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Just wanted to add my two cents regarding the BBJ.

PARX currently caters to the true poker player more than any other room I have been to. Players who don't play slots, table games, or buy lottery tickets.

Don't ruin that by adding a mandatory lottery ticket purchase/slot machine pull to each pot.
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Old 07-24-2012, 03:20 PM   #7643
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Just wanted to add my two cents regarding the BBJ.

PARX currently caters to the true poker player more than any other room I have been to. Players who don't play slots, table games, or buy lottery tickets.

Don't ruin that by adding a mandatory lottery ticket purchase/slot machine pull to each pot.
+1, I was catching up on this thread and was about to post literally exactly this.

I realize that it might be the case that a BBJ is a necessary business decision in an environment where competitors offer it and some generous portion of the customer base prefers it. But, if it's anything less than necessary, I trust that Ari will continue to oppose it. I won't blame him if it happens. (I will blame society so hard though, don't get me started.)
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Old 07-25-2012, 12:09 PM   #7644
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I do not appreciate paying for a poker room's marketing... WE all pay for the BBJ, every hand a drop... This marketing is used in a variety of ways that we don't control. The poker rooms that insist on BBJ must think the players don't have a clue.
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Old 07-25-2012, 01:38 PM   #7645
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If you do add the BBJ, don't forget to also add 2/4 Limit and $65 Daily Tournaments so you can complete the degen hat trick.
Still the most profound observation about the idea of Parx adding a BBJ.

After all, why would the area's most successful poker room add anything that's done by the area's least successful poker room?

If Parx poker management wish to have their live game numbers languish with those of Delaware Park's, then by all means start doing the things that they do.
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Old 07-25-2012, 07:42 PM   #7646
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finally an 8/16 lhe list even if it isnt running
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Old 07-25-2012, 08:21 PM   #7647
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finally an 8/16 lhe list even if it isnt running
It was running the other day, and I see the list more often now.
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Old 07-25-2012, 09:41 PM   #7648
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Still the most profound observation about the idea of Parx adding a BBJ.

After all, why would the area's most successful poker room add anything that's done by the area's least successful poker room?

If Parx poker management wish to have their live game numbers languish with those of Delaware Park's, then by all means start doing the things that they do.
I value everyones opinion, and all this feedback truly helps me the team come to what we believe the best decision.

Thank you
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Old 07-25-2012, 09:56 PM   #7649
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Still the most profound observation about the idea of Parx adding a BBJ.

After all, why would the area's most successful poker room add anything that's done by the area's least successful poker room?

If Parx poker management wish to have their live game numbers languish with those of Delaware Park's, then by all means start doing the things that they do.
This may be one of he stupidest post I've ever read. To understand why parx is so successful simply look at a map.

The room is well run, and packed, but it has nothing to do with a rake structure or lack of a BBJ. It is just where the most fish congregate for the moment.

FYI Del parks rake is a dollar less and yes they do take a BBJ but he roll it over into player friendly things like the 25k monthly free roll. So your getting some of the BB money back.

Even with these player friendly additions the room still isn't packed. That's because fish DON'T CARE ABOUT THE RAKE OR THE BB DROP! The grinders will simply follow to wherever the fish are.
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Old 07-26-2012, 01:51 AM   #7650
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finally an 8/16 lhe list even if it isnt running

I really believe that a 10/20 and then a 20/40 + 40/80 instead of a 15/30 would be better. I think there are a number of players that don't come to play 15 but would to play an 8 or 10 game.
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