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Old 03-04-2012, 03:32 AM   #7126
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Re: Parx Casino (Bensalem, PA) -- FAQ updated 2011.09.08

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10/20 HOE RUnning now
Yep, too many good players, to make any money. Wish it went more often.
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Old 03-04-2012, 12:28 PM   #7127
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Re: Parx Casino (Bensalem, PA) -- FAQ updated 2011.09.08

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Most of the good players will probably have a read that you are a 2/5 player taking a shot, especially if you sit with less than the $3k max.
Thought I would address this, even tho this isn't a strat forum.

I think auto-sitting with 300BB at a table full of unknowns is pretty terrible at any level above 2/5nl, unless you specifically know a huge whale and are trying to cover him. Many pros agree with this. . . see limon's #2000 thread, for example.

Buy in for whatever makes you feel comfortable, add on if/when you feel it's +EV, and Never (capital N) make a poker decision based on ego or fear.

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Old 03-04-2012, 12:35 PM   #7128
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Thought I would address this, even tho this isn't a strat forum.

I think auto-sitting with 300BB at a table full of unknowns is pretty terrible at any level above 2/5nl, unless you specifically know a huge whale and are trying to cover him. Many pros agree with this. . . see limon's #2000 thread, for example.

Buy in for whatever makes you feel comfortable, add on if/when you feel it's +EV, and Never (capital N) make a poker decision based on ego or fear.

Good luck.
The good players buy in for the max because we anticipate solid poker in the form of three and four bets from the other good players with the max buy-ins. Covering the whale isn't the issue, it's matching the stack of the people who actually know what they're doing.
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Old 03-04-2012, 01:03 PM   #7129
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The good players buy in for the max because we anticipate solid poker in the form of three and four bets from the other good players with the max buy-ins. Covering the whale isn't the issue, it's matching the stack of the people who actually know what they're doing.
This makes no sense. Why do you want to cover the good players but not the bad ones? shouldn't you try and stack the bad players and avoid the good ones?
If this is the case stack sizes should only matter against the bad players, no?
I don't understand why you would want to try and outplay the better players for tons of cash.
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Old 03-04-2012, 01:43 PM   #7130
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. The regs are tougher at 10/10 than 2/5 (that isn't saying much)
I think you just called yourself a fish?
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Old 03-04-2012, 01:44 PM   #7131
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This makes no sense. Why do you want to cover the good players but not the bad ones? shouldn't you try and stack the bad players and avoid the good ones?
If this is the case stack sizes should only matter against the bad players, no?
I don't understand why you would want to try and outplay the better players for tons of cash.
You didn't read any of the prior posts. Almost none of the fish buy in for the max, having them covered is never an issue. You want to have an effective stack when facing 3 and 4 bets from good players. The weaker players will never force you to get money in the pot, where as the good ones will consistently. This is just explaining the dynamic of the game, which is what the original question at hand was. Worrying about what to buy in for only matters when you're facing a tough line up, otherwise the game is probably easier than most 2/5 games if there are no solid regs and your starting stack size becomes less of an issue.
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Old 03-04-2012, 01:50 PM   #7132
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Someone correct me if I'm wrong here. I really don't think stack sizes matter that in no limit cash games. On almost a daily basis I'm dumbfounded by seemingly decent players at 2/5nl who make the silliest comments about no wanting to buy in at a table with huge stacks because they don't want to be bullied or run over. Often times they talk of 10-10nl and say they don't want to buy in for $3000 because it is too much, but they also don't want to buy in short because they don't want to be pushed around.

The way I see it is since it's table stakes it really doesn't matter what your stack size is as long as you know how to play it correctly and are aware of the table dynamic, stack sizes included. Personally I would have no problem sitting at 10/10 with $1000 or $1500 , thats still 100-150bb and I know how to play with a 100bb stack just fine.

Other then sending off signals that I'm shot taking or playing scared money I see no negative effects of buying in short to a game like that.. Comments?
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Old 03-04-2012, 01:55 PM   #7133
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I buy in for $3000 because there are regs who buy in for $3000 who are in virtually every line up and I believe I am better than them. Most of the regs who fall under this category are also older but some of the young guys too. Isuckypoker69, if you think several of the deeper stacked players are better than you at the table then of course it doesn't make sense to cover them. Again, I'm not trying to be elitist with the whole max buy-in thing but when good players discuss hands post-session, starting stack size is one of the biggest reads if you don't have anything else to go buy.

I can assure you that if you play the game long enough you will figure out who the weaker regs are that buy in for the max or close to the max. Plus fish double up randomly and I want to make sure I cover them without conspicuously topping up.

Also, how did I call myself a fish zrap? I haven't played 2/5 in 6 months if that's what you are implying.

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Old 03-04-2012, 02:11 PM   #7134
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Re: Parx Casino (Bensalem, PA) -- FAQ updated 2011.09.08

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The good players buy in for the max because we anticipate solid poker in the form of three and four bets from the other good players with the max buy-ins. Covering the whale isn't the issue, it's matching the stack of the people who actually know what they're doing.
Omgsomuchfail

As I'll probably be playing you at some point, I can't elaborate too much more but to point out a fundamental poker truth: shorter stacks -- not bigger -- have a clear advantage given equal skill levels at a mixed depth table.
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Old 03-04-2012, 02:16 PM   #7135
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Re: Parx Casino (Bensalem, PA) -- FAQ updated 2011.09.08

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I buy in for $3000 because there are regs who buy in for $3000 who are in virtually every line up and I believe I am better than them. Most of the regs who fall under this category are also older but some of the young guys too. Also, fish double up randomly and I want to make sure I always cover them.

Also, how did I call myself a fish zrap?
Knowing the player pool and covering the deep, weaker regs you play with 5 days/week is an entirely different topic than taking a shot and sitting deep with a bunch of unknowns.

You can always add on once you get a sense of the table.
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Old 03-04-2012, 02:20 PM   #7136
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Someone correct me if I'm wrong here. I really don't think stack sizes matter that in no limit cash games. On almost a daily basis I'm dumbfounded by seemingly decent players at 2/5nl who make the silliest comments about no wanting to buy in at a table with huge stacks because they don't want to be bullied or run over. Often times they talk of 10-10nl and say they don't want to buy in for $3000 because it is too much, but they also don't want to buy in short because they don't want to be pushed around.

The way I see it is since it's table stakes it really doesn't matter what your stack size is as long as you know how to play it correctly and are aware of the table dynamic, stack sizes included. Personally I would have no problem sitting at 10/10 with $1000 or $1500 , thats still 100-150bb and I know how to play with a 100bb stack just fine.

Other then sending off signals that I'm shot taking or playing scared money I see no negative effects of buying in short to a game like that.. Comments?
This is what I was trying to address. The good regs will constantly exploit short stacks. That's all I'm trying to get across.
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Old 03-04-2012, 02:27 PM   #7137
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Knowing the player pool and covering the deep, weaker regs you play with 5 days/week is an entirely different topic than taking a shot and sitting deep with a bunch of unknowns.

You can always add on once you get a sense of the table.
I've played Borgata 10/25 twice. I bought in for min both times because I didn't wanna tangle with pros sitting in for $20k and I was just there for the whales. Still thought it was +EV compared to sitting 5/10. So I agree with you entirely.

I was just pointing out what kind of reads (right or wrong) people might infer about him if he buys in for $1000.

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Old 03-04-2012, 07:21 PM   #7138
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The good regs will constantly exploit the weaker players
FYP. It has nothing to do with stack size. I have had lots of live players say the thing about stack size to me before and I don't bother correcting them because they'll never get it. You're just wasting your breath.

Obv completely agree with everything ashinynickel and clorox said above.
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Old 03-04-2012, 08:32 PM   #7139
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Re: Parx Casino (Bensalem, PA) -- FAQ updated 2011.09.08

It's an easy manipulation when people are afraid of your big stack (which is loltarded) or insta-label your 100bb stack as weak/scared.

Stack size discussions and quick, proper adjustments to "bullies" are well worn topics over in the strat forums. No need to rehash it here.

Further participation in this topic is -EV. Let's get back to talking about potholes and parking tickets.
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Old 03-04-2012, 08:44 PM   #7140
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haven't posted on here in a while..had to restrain myself from the stack convo cause i'd have probably gotten deleted hah..anyway, now that that's over,

how's the bathroom situation? is it clean yet? i'm hoping to get back to parx in april more regularly
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Old 03-04-2012, 08:52 PM   #7141
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I always regret talking strat here- it's so stupid. I shouldn't **** where I eat.
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Old 03-04-2012, 09:10 PM   #7142
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10/20 hoe regular game? every 8 hands or 30 mins?
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Old 03-04-2012, 09:14 PM   #7143
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I always regret talking strat here- it's so stupid. I shouldn't **** where I eat.
**** is about equivalent to the Chinese food that comp dollars get you, so...
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Old 03-04-2012, 11:07 PM   #7144
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does anyone have any thoughts on the 460+40$ main event on tuesday...i was wondering if its worth to play when its only a 40k guarantee and only expected to be 100-150 players. its a 2 day event and just seems like its a lot of poker to be played with not enough of a pay out...thoughts? thanks
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Old 03-04-2012, 11:30 PM   #7145
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10/20 hoe regular game? every 8 hands or 30 mins?
8 hands on saturday night. half kill @150 in split games.

tried to play horse, but got shot down on razz.
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Old 03-05-2012, 01:25 AM   #7146
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Played some $2/$5 today here and I go into the mens room, turn the corner to go to the pissers and I'm shocked to see this dude taking a piss with his pants around his ankles...ass just right there for every one to see. Was so sick!

The guy used to be at my table, a fat dude wearing a Jets Sweatshirt. I have never seen something like this since I was in 5th grade and the one "special" kid did the same thing all the time. I was truly disgusted.

Has anyone else seen these bathroom shenanigans at Parx before?

Also the 2/5 games today sucked compared to last Sunday. Not much action this time but I left before 7pm so maybe thats why.

There also was some older guy, I think wearing a Princeton sweatshirt, who went ballistic at a nearby table. Started telling the one guy to suck his D. Yelling the F bomb. And was trying to have the guy go outside with him to settle it...so crazy when these donks just flip out and cause a big scene and the floor has to settle it.

On a side note, any idea what the drink girls pull in on an avg day? Not sure how their tips work or if they have to share, but looks like they can do 20+ drinks on every tray and at least $1 tip per drink...they got to be doing $80+ an hour in tips.
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Old 03-05-2012, 01:46 AM   #7147
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Played some $2/$5 today here and I go into the mens room, turn the corner to go to the pissers and I'm shocked to see this dude taking a piss with his pants around his ankles...ass just right there for every one to see. Was so sick!

The guy used to be at my table, a fat dude wearing a Jets Sweatshirt. I have never seen something like this since I was in 5th grade and the one "special" kid did the same thing all the time. I was truly disgusted.

Has anyone else seen these bathroom shenanigans at Parx before?

Also the 2/5 games today sucked compared to last Sunday. Not much action this time but I left before 7pm so maybe thats why.

There also was some older guy, I think wearing a Princeton sweatshirt, who went ballistic at a nearby table. Started telling the one guy to suck his D. Yelling the F bomb. And was trying to have the guy go outside with him to settle it...so crazy when these donks just flip out and cause a big scene and the floor has to settle it.

On a side note, any idea what the drink girls pull in on an avg day? Not sure how their tips work or if they have to share, but looks like they can do 20+ drinks on every tray and at least $1 tip per drink...they got to be doing $80+ an hour in tips.
lol and as a consolation prize to all of the above you have to pay for drinks too
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Old 03-05-2012, 02:21 AM   #7148
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8 hands on saturday night. half kill @150 in split games.

tried to play horse, but got shot down on razz.
What happened to "S"? Got shut down on stud as well?
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Old 03-05-2012, 11:34 AM   #7149
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Razz was shot down by the floor, Stud was shot down by the players.
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Old 03-05-2012, 12:49 PM   #7150
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Played some $2/$5 today here and I go into the mens room, turn the corner to go to the pissers and I'm shocked to see this dude taking a piss with his pants around his ankles...ass just right there for every one to see. Was so sick!

The guy used to be at my table, a fat dude wearing a Jets Sweatshirt......
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