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Old 02-29-2012, 02:49 AM   #7101
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Re: Parx Casino (Bensalem, PA) -- FAQ updated 2011.09.08

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Okay this is getting out of hand. Counterfeit hundreds are a problem at Parx. I know half a dozen people that have bought in at the cage with hundreds that they received at Parx only to be notified right then or shortly after that one or more of their bills is a counterfeit.

I've talked to a bunch of floor people about this already but I just wanted to let the community know. I spent a week in Florida at the Palm Beach Kennel Club and although it was a very poorly run room compared to Parx, one thing they did have was this:



The machine counts bills extremely fast and checks for counterfeits. The cage people never count the bills themselves they just count the chips and run the currency through machine. I think having machines like this at Parx would make everyone feel more comfortable and it would also make cashouts and buy-ins faster.

Having a counterfeit marker isn't practical for large cashouts or buy-ins and it doesn't even work with the counterfeits that have been floating around which are made from bleaching $5 bills and reprinting them.

Finally, as a word of warning, I wouldn't accept money in exchange for chips (say, some you have in your pocket) at the table from people you don't know well. This is probably one of the primary ways counterfeits enter the Parx economy. I doubt counterfeiters would be as comfortable walking straight up to the cage.
This is a great post, and I'm glad you brought this topic up, because watching how they operate at parx since the beginning, i was worried this might be an issue.First if you remember the original chip runners, and still today with the chip runners, they never check for counterfit bills. The chip runners should at least carry a counterfit pen to mark the bills they recieve, this wont completely stop the problem, but it will stop some people from attempting to pass bad bills. I knew it would be a matter of time before this became an issue. Second , the cage workers to me seem very incompetent with handling money and counting chips, I know its policy, but calling for a double on every transaction is pointless if there not being proactive to protect the players and themselves from counterfit bills, I think that machine is a great idea, and well worth the investment, the problem would be training the cage workers who can barely count chips to work the machine. Also, another great point you made, basic street sense 101, dont trade chips from people you dont know in line at cage, or at the tables, especially when you are racking up, and someone will say, let me buy a rack off you. Also wait the extra few minutes in line, if people get offended so be it. If you know the person, then its a different story, but still double check the bills in the light, and just let them know its not personal. Great post ashineynickel, im new to forums, but read up on alot of your post about parx , very informative!!

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Old 02-29-2012, 09:54 AM   #7102
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Re: Parx Casino (Bensalem, PA) -- FAQ updated 2011.09.08

Just wanted to say two things.

1. Unless they've made a new marker to detect counterfeits, then they are pointless as it's already been pointed out. Counterfeiters are using bleached $5 bills so the marker won't know the difference.

2. When casino cage employees call for a "double" the cage cashier is only trying to verify that he/she is exchanging out the correct amount of chips/cash to the customer. It has nothing to do with checking counterfeits.
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Old 02-29-2012, 11:03 AM   #7103
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Re: Parx Casino (Bensalem, PA) -- FAQ updated 2011.09.08

While it is the slowest cage I've ever seen the "doubles" are needed. The ONE time a double wasn't requested (because it was a supervisor making change) she tried to give me an extra ten black chips.... Lol supervisor
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Old 02-29-2012, 12:27 PM   #7104
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This is scary. What happens if you deposit money in the bank given from Parx that unknowingly was a counterfeit bill? Does the bank destroy the bill and not credit your bank account? Is it Parx's fault and do they reimburse you without proof? This is very scetchy to me. Better yet, is the state police called in for your arrest for possessing counterfeit bills? I mean this is a very grey area.
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Old 02-29-2012, 12:40 PM   #7105
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This is scary. What happens if you deposit money in the bank given from Parx that unknowingly was a counterfeit bill? Does the bank destroy the bill and not credit your bank account? Is it Parx's fault and do they reimburse you without proof? This is very scetchy to me. Better yet, is the state police called in for your arrest for possessing counterfeit bills? I mean this is a very grey area.
No you aren't going to get in trouble with the law unless they think you are the counterfeiter, but you are going to be out the money. It sucks and I hope parx invests in a few of those machines for the cage.
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Old 02-29-2012, 01:09 PM   #7106
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Re: Parx Casino (Bensalem, PA) -- FAQ updated 2011.09.08

A friend of mine had to talk to the police when he bought chips with a fake hundred that he previously received from a cash out. They just took his phone number asked him what happened and told them they might reach out to him again. You don't get a receipt in this process and you definitely do not get the money back.

At a bank or an ATM if you get a counterfeit there is a process for getting reimbursed. At Parx you're just **** out of luck. Cage operations are separate from the poker room but I'm sure Ari is working on this as a number of people have been vocal about this problem.
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Old 02-29-2012, 01:17 PM   #7107
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Okay this is getting out of hand. Counterfeit hundreds are a problem at Parx. I know half a dozen people that have bought in at the cage with hundreds that they received at Parx only to be notified right then or shortly after that one or more of their bills is a counterfeit......
I received a fake hundo at the Trop several years ago. It pissed me off, because it was my fault for not checking, BEFORE leaving the cage. There are a couple of very simple and virtually fool-proof things that you can do, to detect even the best counterfeited bills:

Preface... never accept the older $100's. Tell the cashier that you want newer bills ONLY!!!

1. Look for a security thread (a plastic strip) running from top to bottom. Beginning in 1990, an embedded (not printed) security thread was added to all bills except the $1 and $2 bills. If you hold the bill up to the light you easily see the strip and printing on it. The printing will say "USA" followed by the denomination of the bill, which is spelled out for $5, $10, and $20 bills but presented in numerals on the $50 and $100 bills. These threads are placed in different places on each denomination to prevent lower-denomination bills being bleached and reprinted as higher denominations. Compare a genuine bill of the same denomination to make sure the position of the thread is correct. If it is not, the bill is not genuine.

2. Hold the bill up to a light to check for a watermark. A watermark bearing the image of the person whose portrait is on the bill can be found on all $10, $20, $50, and $100 bills series 1996 and later, and on $5 bills series 1999 and later. The watermark is embedded in the paper to the right of the portrait, and it can be seen from both sides of the bill.

It will take you a few seconds, per bill, to do this. I now do it every time. Even if you are cashing out (especially if you are cashing out) for a large sum, it's worth your time to make sure you are getting real bills.
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Old 02-29-2012, 01:36 PM   #7108
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Re: Parx Casino (Bensalem, PA) -- FAQ updated 2011.09.08

Wow, I go to Parx, a lot. I guess I have to start checking. I received a counterfeit 100 at Mohegan Sun in CT a number of years back. The poker machine wouldn't take it, so I traded it with the change lady for one that would work. A short while later a person from security came to me and told me the bill was counterfeit and asked where I got it. I told her I got it from them, either from the cage or payout of a jackpot. She told me they'd be filing a report I think with the FBI, that it was a standard thing. Didn't lose the 100 and never heard anything more about it.

Apparently it had been a problem for them at that time, and some unlucky folks had had bills rejected by their bank that they'd received from Mohegan.
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Old 02-29-2012, 02:01 PM   #7109
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Preface... never accept the older $100's. Tell the cashier that you want newer bills ONLY!!!

I did this at Borgata a couple of months ago and the lady told me the new ones are easier to counterfit anyway, I laughed at her. Then she got another lady and she said the same thing, and I laughed at her too. Then they got the supervisor who said the same thing. LOL. You can't argue with that kind of dumb.
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Old 02-29-2012, 02:29 PM   #7110
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Funny you mention that about the Borg... once, they refused to give me a new hundo. So, I took a rack of white instead and went to the next window and cashed them out.
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Old 02-29-2012, 08:22 PM   #7111
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While it is the slowest cage I've ever seen the "doubles" are needed. The ONE time a double wasn't requested (because it was a supervisor making change) she tried to give me an extra ten black chips.... Lol supervisor
I agree with you. The doubles are needed. It just a very slow system at the cage . Also, i understand that in this case, the bills are beating the counterfit pen, but I was just thinking of more on the lines as a deterant for the chip runner. They should have a meeting to train all the chip runners, to look for counterfit bills as well, they are the most vulnerable it seems to me to get beat. And again, they defintly , should get that machine that was suggested. It wouldnt make sense for them not too.
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Old 02-29-2012, 09:57 PM   #7112
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Re: Parx Casino (Bensalem, PA) -- FAQ updated 2011.09.08

Checked online Bravo a few times over the last month and saw big OE games, like 100-200 and larger. Are those really running? Full tables?
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Old 02-29-2012, 10:07 PM   #7113
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Checked online Bravo a few times over the last month and saw big OE games, like 100-200 and larger. Are those really running? Full tables?
Yes and yes. 150-300 and 200-400 have run sparingly as well. The 100-200 is pretty much running several days a week during the week day.
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Old 03-01-2012, 10:35 AM   #7114
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I have not played live poker in years so wanted to get thoughts on the below.

In the games I have played at Parx, rarely do all the players show their hand when its show down time. Everyone seems to be waiting for the other guy to show his hand before flipping over his own. Unless someone has an obv winner.

I would love to see everyone hands at show down. I'm pretty sure they are required to show them if you ask the dealer. Is this correct? I known online you can look through the hand history and see everyone's final hand who called until the end.

It really slows down the game when everyone is dicking around and it would be great to be able to gain more insight into the ranges everyone is playing.

What are the actual rules on this? Is the person who acts first need to be the 1st to show or should everyone technically turn up their hands?

I could see people getting really pissed if I ask to see hands every time though...

At Parx, the only people allowed to see the loser's hands at showdown are the other people who went to showdown. if you fold on or before the river in at least a 3 way pot, you won't be able to see the losers hand.




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It's considered extremely poor etiquette to ask to see a loser's hand after he mucks. The only justifiable reason to do so is if you suspect collusion.

In most places, last aggressor is obligated to show first. Not sure at Parx; I think they may have some lame rule in place (i.e. if no action on river, closest to button shows.)

In either case, I agree that people need to just table their hands quicker and get on with the game.

These 3 points are 100% correct.
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Old 03-02-2012, 09:58 AM   #7115
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Any over/under predictions for the PLO tourny today?
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Old 03-02-2012, 11:10 AM   #7116
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Any over/under predictions for the PLO tourny today?
I say over (144)
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Old 03-02-2012, 12:50 PM   #7117
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Old 03-02-2012, 04:56 PM   #7118
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I usually play in AC or Foxwoods/Mohegan Sun but took a trip to Parx last night instead. It seemed to be a great room, and it's awesome to be able to go straight into the poker room without weaving through a smoky cloud of slot-playing degens. A couple of unusual things I noticed compared to other places I've played...

1. Dealer was strict about enforcing no phone calls/texting at the table (no problem with that), with the hilarious exception of not saying anything to the guy who had rap music blaring out of his phone speaker and was singing along to Snoop Dog. I guess nobody at the table objected as the guy dropped $100 in his first hand with nothing and showed no signs of slowing down.

2. What constitutes a fold at Parx? We had one frustrated player at showdown who when he saw the KT of his opponent on a board that was something like 68T6A fired his cards forward so fast that they crossed not only the bet-line in front of him but the bet-line on the opposite end of the table and ended up face-down by another players stack. Dealer slowly reached for the cards and dragged them inwards, at which point guy realizes he may have a chop and demands they be turned up. Dealer turns up JT and splits the pot. KT-guy requested the floor, but got berated by a player not in the hand who said the rule was the cards have to be physically in the muck, so he relented and agreed to the split.
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Old 03-03-2012, 03:29 PM   #7119
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How about a mix game today. 10/20 or 15/30...whatever games we're allow to play ?
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Old 03-03-2012, 03:41 PM   #7120
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for the Asian buses from nyc is it still 15 dollars for 3 $20 matchplays?
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Old 03-03-2012, 06:14 PM   #7121
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How about a mix game today. 10/20 or 15/30...whatever games we're allow to play ?
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Old 03-03-2012, 07:45 PM   #7122
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Any one have insight into the $10/$10 NL?

I've only played $2/$5 so far but want to check it out. The $2/$5 games have been good on the weekends I hope its the same for the $10/$10NL.

The 2/5 games I've been in lots of dudes buy in for a few $100, lose it, rebuy, lose it...repeat.
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Old 03-03-2012, 08:15 PM   #7123
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Any one have insight into the $10/$10 NL?

I've only played $2/$5 so far but want to check it out. The $2/$5 games have been good on the weekends I hope its the same for the $10/$10NL.

The 2/5 games I've been in lots of dudes buy in for a few $100, lose it, rebuy, lose it...repeat.
Good game. Mostly TAG with a couple very loose guys that open the game up. Solid regs buy in for $3000, the rest of the starting stacks vary. If you have any further questions feel free to PM.
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Old 03-03-2012, 08:18 PM   #7124
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Any one have insight into the $10/$10 NL?

I've only played $2/$5 so far but want to check it out. The $2/$5 games have been good on the weekends I hope its the same for the $10/$10NL.

The 2/5 games I've been in lots of dudes buy in for a few $100, lose it, rebuy, lose it...repeat.
I play the game 5-6 days a week and don't wanna go on a huge rant but I think most 2/5 regs recognize that the 10/10 game is usually pretty good if there are 3 tables going and often when there are 2. This is because the good players are more diluted.

When there's one you just have to know the game or use your gut on whether or not to take a shot. Most of the good players will probably have a read that you are a 2/5 player taking a shot, especially if you sit with less than the $3k max. The regs are tougher at 10/10 than 2/5 (that isn't saying much) but there are still fish and they are just as fishy. Good luck with your shot.
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Old 03-03-2012, 10:26 PM   #7125
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I play the game 5-6 days a week and don't wanna go on a huge rant but I think most 2/5 regs recognize that the 10/10 game is usually pretty good if there are 3 tables going and often when there are 2. This is because the good players are more diluted.

When there's one you just have to know the game or use your gut on whether or not to take a shot. Most of the good players will probably have a read that you are a 2/5 player taking a shot, especially if you sit with less than the $3k max. The regs are tougher at 10/10 than 2/5 (that isn't saying much) but there are still fish and they are just as fishy. Good luck with your shot.
Seems to be what I've seen as well.

More than one table is an auto-sit for me. Just one table can be pretty meh.
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