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Old 02-14-2012, 08:38 AM   #6976
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No it would obviously go up. I would like for it to have lower rake and have a bbj is what I'm saying.
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Old 02-14-2012, 01:27 PM   #6977
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Im gonna say it. I would be in favor of parx starting a bbj. The room has leveled off a bit and i think it needs something new to get some new blood in the room. Im sure when the poker room is moved to the casino there would be a jackpot. Im going to take some heat for this but i would be all for it. Look at the buzz borgata has right now. Imagine how many tables parx would have running with a jackpot off 500k plus
I am not for it as we already pay another $1 in rake at 2/5 NL and I do not want to have a dollar taken out of every $10/$10 NL pot as it would slow down the game considerably.

Yes it might be good for the room at the beginning and when the BBJ gets really high but I do not think over the long haul a BBJ helps a room too much.

As to Parx getting stale, I tend to agree on this point. The room (overall) seems to have topped out in the mid-40s in tables on the weekend and 25 to 30 during the week. So this is not terrible as those are some big numbers. However, the higher stakes action has really picked up
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Old 02-14-2012, 01:30 PM   #6978
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No it would obviously go up. I would like for it to have lower rake and have a bbj is what I'm saying.
There is no way PARX will drop its rake. They are already taking AC maket share with a higher rake. All the PA casinos have the same rake I think, some don't have a BBJ drop. Sands has a BBJ drop and is still very successful having just added 7 new tables.
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Old 02-14-2012, 01:39 PM   #6979
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There is no way PARX will drop its rake.
Again, obviously.

I don't think BBJ is good for the room it's just money that gets sucked off the table into the hands of three groups. The winner of the hand, the loser of the hand and the IRS. It's not a concern since Ari said its never gonna happen.
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Old 02-14-2012, 02:39 PM   #6980
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Re: Parx Casino (Bensalem, PA) -- FAQ updated 2011.09.08

Just saw that Delaware Park is running 4-8 Pineapple. Is this a PGCB approved game at Parx? Would be fun to play this while waiting for my game.
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Old 02-14-2012, 02:42 PM   #6981
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Just saw that Delaware Park is running 4-8 Pineapple. Is this a PGCB approved game at Parx? Would be fun to play this while waiting for my game.
How great would that be.

I think I would take a break from NL for a day or two if Parx got a pot limit Omaha/Pineapple mix game going.
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Old 02-14-2012, 03:40 PM   #6982
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I'd love to play Pineapple too. But whatever happened with Razz and 2-7 getting approved? They put in for those awhile ago, thought someone said they got approved, but haven't seen them run yet.
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Old 02-14-2012, 06:06 PM   #6983
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I would be willing to play 8/16, but every time I've started a list on weekends, it usually dies around 4-5 names. I think it was going semi-regularly when the room first opened. Maybe there would be more interest in 6/12 considering it's a smaller step up than 4/8 ?
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I've asked the floor several times and they seem afraid of killing the 6/12 OE game. IIRC they said that 6/12 lhe was too close in size to 4/8 and it would kill the 4/8 game. However the 4/8 is already on life support if not DOA.

The last time that the 8/16 ran (months ago) the list had been started in the afternoon but the game didn't get called til about 10:00 pm. For the short time I was in it, the game was pretty good.
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Old 02-14-2012, 06:15 PM   #6984
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However the 4/8 is already on life support if not DOA.
? http://parx.phil.ly/game/1
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Old 02-14-2012, 06:45 PM   #6985
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I'd love to play Pineapple too. But whatever happened with Razz and 2-7 getting approved? They put in for those awhile ago, thought someone said they got approved, but haven't seen them run yet.
I'd love to play any mix games between 4/8 - 8/16. How awesome would a 8/16 HORSET or TORE game be ? The 6/12 game is nitty for the most part, and I prefer to rotate games every 8-9 hands rather than with each dealer...

Problem is the 6/12 OE game has become pretty popular (always 2 sometimes 3 games on Saturdays). There's also an occasional 10/20 OE game as well.
Getting any other mix going might be pretty tough, and I'm not so sure that the floor would spread it.

If there's enough interest from us 2+2'ers maybe we could get a weekly-type game going ? We could set a date/time, and what limits & mix we want.
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Old 02-14-2012, 06:45 PM   #6986
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Typical, I say one thing and am immediately proven wrong.

Although, IIRC at one point there would have been at least two tables in the afternoon. I stopped by yesterday afternoon and there wasn't a 4/8 game at all.
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Old 02-14-2012, 07:21 PM   #6987
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I'm for the BBJ if it's $4+1. 5+1, phuck no, it would kill the 1-2nl players.
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Old 02-14-2012, 07:34 PM   #6988
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Typical, I say one thing and am immediately proven wrong.

Although, IIRC at one point there would have been at least two tables in the afternoon. I stopped by yesterday afternoon and there wasn't a 4/8 game at all.
Yeah, yesterday seems to be a weird blip on the chart, maybe a lot of doctors appointments were scheduled :P or a bunch of last minute vday shopping.
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Old 02-14-2012, 07:35 PM   #6989
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I'm for the BBJ if it's $4+1. 5+1, phuck no, it would kill the 1-2nl players.
You don't have to worry as it has been well noted time and time again that they wont be implementing one.
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Old 02-14-2012, 11:42 PM   #6990
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I've asked the floor several times and they seem afraid of killing the 6/12 OE game. IIRC they said that 6/12 lhe was too close in size to 4/8 and it would kill the 4/8 game. However the 4/8 is already on life support if not DOA.

The last time that the 8/16 ran (months ago) the list had been started in the afternoon but the game didn't get called til about 10:00 pm. For the short time I was in it, the game was pretty good.
The problem is that there is nothing "interesting" between 4-8 and 15-30 LHE.

The 6-12 OE game generally sucks. Actually, if the 2nd table gets going (and remains stable for longer than an hour) - that is the better game, as the main game is usually the same ol' mopes & nits.

Other than the fact that 1-2NL pretty much killed LH between 4-8 and 15-30, I am still puzzled why the 8-16 LHE never stayed afloat. I'd like to think that they could get a 6-12LHE game going... with the $2 chips, it would be a great game, using a 2 chip/3 chip blind structure (like 15-30). I'd even venture to say that the game played with a FULL kill would be pretty cool, too.

The 4-8 game with $2 chips is quite lame. That game should be played with white chips, like it is in Vegas. That said, the game could be seriously improved, by playing it with a 1/2 kill. You can do this easily with the $2 chips.

I think there are enough people who find 4-8 too low stakes to be interesting, yet find 15-30 a bit too high, to play on a regular basis.

I wish there was something to fill that gap.
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Old 02-15-2012, 03:26 AM   #6991
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Way back in the day, when taj had 10/20 15/30 and 20/40. The 15 game was what I called the bus stop game. No one wanted to play, it was just a stop over to people getting into the 10 or 20/40 game. But there were so many people it would stay afloat.

I don't think parx has that base of limit players. Maybe if they forced a change on the existing player pool and risked losing the 15 game, in time an 8/16 game could stick..or a 10/20 - 20/40 style. I think there are people around that would come and play 8/16 or 10/20(that don't/won't come to play 15) but it would take time for word to spread, and confidence to build the game would go consistently.

Pineapple would be a blast..parx should spread it.
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Old 02-15-2012, 10:19 AM   #6992
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Pineapple isn't approved unfortunately. I heard Razz got approved, but they've yet to spread it or train the dealers. So far the only games spread at parx are the ones listed in the FAQ. Hopefully that changes soon cause I would love to get a 7 or 8 game mix going.
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Old 02-15-2012, 11:04 AM   #6993
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Pineapple isn't approved unfortunately. I heard Razz got approved, but they've yet to spread it or train the dealers. So far the only games spread at parx are the ones listed in the FAQ. Hopefully that changes soon cause I would love to get a 7 or 8 game mix going.
If you ever do, text the Piper and I'll play. I'm back playing poker but normally just play 20/40 stud at Borg

I gave up trying to get Stud at Parx and got tired of paying for my Ketel Ones..I voted with my feet.

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Old 02-15-2012, 03:04 PM   #6994
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Way back in the day, when taj had 10/20 15/30 and 20/40. The 15 game was what I called the bus stop game. No one wanted to play, it was just a stop over to people getting into the 10 or 20/40 game. But there were so many people it would stay afloat.

I don't think parx has that base of limit players. Maybe if they forced a change on the existing player pool and risked losing the 15 game, in time an 8/16 game could stick..or a 10/20 - 20/40 style. I think there are people around that would come and play 8/16 or 10/20(that don't/won't come to play 15) but it would take time for word to spread, and confidence to build the game would go consistently.

Pineapple would be a blast..parx should spread it.
NFW that Parx will spread 10 or 20. Ari is committed to the 15 game. That's OK, but there needs to be something SUSTAINABLE, between 4-8 and 15-30.

IMHO, 6/12 with the $2 chips is the right thing to try. Yes, it may kill the 4-8, but what difference does it make if there is a 6-12 or a 4-8? What you lose in bottom-feeders, you gain with people that will play higher.

It seems that the 8-16 is a little too high for some low-rollers and the 15 players will just sit there, until the 15 game opens - then it dies.

I, for one, would be inclined to visit more often, if a 6-12 game got legs.
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Old 02-15-2012, 03:16 PM   #6995
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I would commit to 6/12 for sure and even if it did kill the 4/8 who really loses in the end ? I suppose you could make an argument that the 4/8 regs would gripe, but honestly I've never seen more that 2 tables of 4/8 going at the same time anyway, so if you lose a 4/8 table and gain a 6/12 it's still the same amount of people playing .... amirite ?
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Old 02-15-2012, 03:45 PM   #6996
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so if you lose a 4/8 table and gain a 6/12 it's still the same amount of people playing .... amirite ?
One does not necessarily equal the other, and they have one of the highest lower limits (if not "the") in the entire country and you still want to jack it up? Most rooms are 2/4, 3/6 or both. IMHO there are more people playing 4/8 at Parx that would surely leave if you forced them to move up again than would replace them with people who won't play lower than 6/12. These are people that are already being forced to play a stake 2x higher than they want. That 4/8 game is plenty beatable (rake included).

Second issue, you really can't manufacture that magical stake between low and mid limit. It has died in pretty much every card room and there is nothing anyone can do to stop it other than ban 1/2 NL. Canterbury Park has plenty of games in that level, why is that? No NL hold'em cash games allowed.
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Old 02-15-2012, 06:42 PM   #6997
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The 6-12 OE game generally sucks. Actually, if the 2nd table gets going (and remains stable for longer than an hour) - that is the better game, as the main game is usually the same ol' mopes & nits.

Other than the fact that 1-2NL pretty much killed LH between 4-8 and 15-30, I am still puzzled why the 8-16 LHE never stayed afloat. I'd like to think that they could get a 6-12LHE game going... with the $2 chips, it would be a great game, using a 2 chip/3 chip blind structure (like 15-30). I'd even venture to say that the game played with a FULL kill would be pretty cool, too.

The 4-8 game with $2 chips is quite lame. That game should be played with white chips, like it is in Vegas. That said, the game could be seriously improved, by playing it with a 1/2 kill. You can do this easily with the $2 chips.
I agree with you on all points ;

*Yeah, the 6/12 OE game is lame. Too many "table captains" for my liking. Call me crazy, but I don't wanna hear the regs stories about the ol' days of playing stud h/l @ Taj & Trop for hours upon end...

*I mentioned trying a 6/12 LHE game in an earlier post, but someone
wrote that Ari (or another floorperson) didn't want it to conflict with the
OE game ?

I'd actually prefer 6/12 to either 4/8 or 8/16. In the end, I think the 8/16 just doesn't get enough of the casual players wanting to play bigger than 4/8.
Just a hunch, but I think 6/12 would probably get going on a Saturday.

*Yeah, using $2 chips for 4/8 is not good. Not sure if kills in hold 'em games are approved in PA though ?

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Old 02-15-2012, 08:19 PM   #6998
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Yo, where are the PLOers 2nite? Only 3 names on the list tonight? Get your butts over here...
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Old 02-15-2012, 09:23 PM   #6999
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the 6/12 O8 has a half-kill, right?

is it still full of old nits on weekend nights?
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One does not necessarily equal the other, and they have one of the highest lower limits (if not "the") in the entire country and you still want to jack it up? Most rooms are 2/4, 3/6 or both. IMHO there are more people playing 4/8 at Parx that would surely leave if you forced them to move up again than would replace them with people who won't play lower than 6/12. These are people that are already being forced to play a stake 2x higher than they want. That 4/8 game is plenty beatable (rake included).

Second issue, you really can't manufacture that magical stake between low and mid limit. It has died in pretty much every card room and there is nothing anyone can do to stop it other than ban 1/2 NL. Canterbury Park has plenty of games in that level, why is that? No NL hold'em cash games allowed.
No doubt... 1/2NL killed mid-low limit HE. That's indisputable.

The issue I have, in this room, is the jump all the way up to 15/30, from 4/8. In rooms that have the 2/4, 3/6 spread, they have a 10/20. That is low enough to draw the people that would play a 6/12 or 8/16 and still keep the flop-lotto LL games filled with bottom feeders.

I am not arguing that the 4/8 is not beatable. Although, at $5 rake, I think it makes little sense to play the game for other than entertainment value. Beating the game for $6/hour is not an aspiration of... anyone (I would hope). And, for some of us, playing 4/8 is not really "entertaining".

Hmmmm... after thinking about it for a while, I think this may work...

1. Kill the 4/8 game. Replace it with a white chip 3/6 game. This gives the folks who that think 4/8 is too high already, a game and also gives the 2/4 wanna-be's a better compromise than 4/8. This could actually bring more people in the room.

2. Create a 6/12 game, using the $2 chips. This gives folks who want to play a little higher a game to play. And, it also allows the 3/6 players a place to "move up". This could also bring more people in the room.

The risk is that the 6/12 never goes and the 4/8 is no longer there. From the casino's perspective, that should be revenue neutral, however. As, I suspect that there would be the same number of 3/6 games going as there currently are 4/8.
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