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Old 12-13-2011, 12:01 AM   #6526
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Plo tommorow? 630 start short?
Can't make it tomorrow because of my bowling league. But I will probably be there Wednesday night.
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Old 12-13-2011, 12:09 AM   #6527
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Plo tommorow? 630 start short?
i got finals this week and next week, so im not going to be playing for a bit.
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Old 12-13-2011, 01:33 AM   #6528
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Thank you, this is my point exactly and why I added the TOO FUNNY comment. I made a post that in hindsight may not of been the best idea based on things I have heard from other players and not of ever playing in the game myself. I love PLO and really wanted to play, only reason I posted was to get some useful feedback from others that played in the game. I have received to very helpful PMs from my post. These players that are taking so much offense were never called out directly by name. All I was looking for was posts in response or PMs that were like yes, it is a straight, honest game. Or on the flip side, I played in it and it seemed a little shady IMO. Instead the so called regs jump on me like I stole their first born. Just your defensiveness and anger will steer me away from ever playing it. It is a shame because Sands will not spread PLO and it is my best and favorite game. So I was going to go to PARX twice a week to play, but now I will not come out because of all the negativity. Hopefully one day I can find a good PLO game, if you know of any casino in PA or NJ that spreads one regularly, please let me know. Thanks.
Lol I was just trolling tbh, if u were worried about the game being soft played then why didn't you just sit for a reasonable amount of time and check it out for yourself? I really doubt anything is wrong With this game and I've been planning on playing for a while but haven't had a chance yet w/ all the ac stuff going on
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Old 12-13-2011, 04:01 AM   #6529
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Thank you, this is my point exactly and why I added the TOO FUNNY comment. I made a post that in hindsight may not of been the best idea based on things I have heard from other players and not of ever playing in the game myself. I love PLO and really wanted to play, only reason I posted was to get some useful feedback from others that played in the game. I have received to very helpful PMs from my post. These players that are taking so much offense were never called out directly by name. All I was looking for was posts in response or PMs that were like yes, it is a straight, honest game. Or on the flip side, I played in it and it seemed a little shady IMO. Instead the so called regs jump on me like I stole their first born. Just your defensiveness and anger will steer me away from ever playing it. It is a shame because Sands will not spread PLO and it is my best and favorite game. So I was going to go to PARX twice a week to play, but now I will not come out because of all the negativity. Hopefully one day I can find a good PLO game, if you know of any casino in PA or NJ that spreads one regularly, please let me know. Thanks.
Since only the regs are posting , I will toss my hat into the ring . I have played in this game . Calling outright collusion is very difficult thing to do , proof has got to be concrete if your going to say something like that.

Pasandsman is only repeating what he was told . Having played in this game personally , I would say that soft play might be misconstrued with " I Know how this guy plays ". Now try explaining that to the guy who is playing in this game for the first time , coupled with tons of table banter and obvious familiarity of the players at the table , and pot , repot bets, and im in position ...stinks of collusion.... or a GREAT game ..

Perception is reality . Looks like the perception is that soft play and or collusion is going on . If I was a novice live player [ black Friday refugee ] this unfortunately is the exact perception I would have of this game. Sorry regs you guys are atrocious at building a game!!!! [ yes that means you Brian ]

My initial thoughts on playing in this game were that its never going to get off. This is based on not just one session but between 2-10 sessions.

I dont think outright collusion is happening in this game , but what you have is a small group of players who would really like to have a regular PLO game in their home casino , but just dont know how to go about creating the proper environment for this game to prosper . With 25 plus NLH games running the casino staff has basically left the task of building this game up to the regs . Hence the text messages of PLO tonite . Sorry stinks of collusion too . Texts for a game at a casino ? There should always be a game at the casino? Just not PLO WTF ?

Sorry walked away , now my written in my head post has been lost to alcohol

Brian ... you cannot be the dealer defacto .. if the dealer doesnt know what is in the pot its not your problem , get in the box if you want to deal .

Change the game back to 1/2

try a cap game , 100 cap ,,, build a player base . Room full of card players and nobody wants to try a new game ? Yeah i know why .... cant call that 750$$$ pot bet to see the river ...

In conclusion I would not and have not recommended this PLO game to anyone .... Why ? because I know I would hear about it for the next 3 months how I sent them to reg/ collusion / soft play fest. Even if it isnt happening it is perceived.
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Old 12-13-2011, 08:21 AM   #6530
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Can't make it tomorrow because of my bowling league. But I will probably be there Wednesday night.
Hu4rofls bowling?

Wednesday for sure, 3 Weeks in a row for midweek PLO!!!
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Old 12-13-2011, 09:53 AM   #6531
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Sounds good for tomorrow. Im a semi-decent bowler w a150 avg. My wife bowls a 180 avg though. Owns my soul haha. You bowl at all Bri?
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Old 12-13-2011, 10:07 AM   #6532
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Since only the regs are posting , I will toss my hat into the ring . I have played in this game . Calling outright collusion is very difficult thing to do , proof has got to be concrete if your going to say something like that.

Pasandsman is only repeating what he was told . Having played in this game personally , I would say that soft play might be misconstrued with " I Know how this guy plays ". Now try explaining that to the guy who is playing in this game for the first time , coupled with tons of table banter and obvious familiarity of the players at the table , and pot , repot bets, and im in position ...stinks of collusion.... or a GREAT game ..

Perception is reality . Looks like the perception is that soft play and or collusion is going on . If I was a novice live player [ black Friday refugee ] this unfortunately is the exact perception I would have of this game. Sorry regs you guys are atrocious at building a game!!!! [ yes that means you Brian ]

My initial thoughts on playing in this game were that its never going to get off. This is based on not just one session but between 2-10 sessions.

I dont think outright collusion is happening in this game , but what you have is a small group of players who would really like to have a regular PLO game in their home casino , but just dont know how to go about creating the proper environment for this game to prosper . With 25 plus NLH games running the casino staff has basically left the task of building this game up to the regs . Hence the text messages of PLO tonite . Sorry stinks of collusion too . Texts for a game at a casino ? There should always be a game at the casino? Just not PLO WTF ?

Sorry walked away , now my written in my head post has been lost to alcohol

Brian ... you cannot be the dealer defacto .. if the dealer doesnt know what is in the pot its not your problem , get in the box if you want to deal .

Change the game back to 1/2

try a cap game , 100 cap ,,, build a player base . Room full of card players and nobody wants to try a new game ? Yeah i know why .... cant call that 750$$$ pot bet to see the river ...

In conclusion I would not and have not recommended this PLO game to anyone .... Why ? because I know I would hear about it for the next 3 months how I sent them to reg/ collusion / soft play fest. Even if it isnt happening it is perceived.



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Sounds good for tomorrow. Im a semi-decent bowler w a150 avg. My wife bowls a 180 avg though. Owns my soul haha. You bowl at all Bri?
I used to be decent but I have't bowled in years, poker is more fun
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Old 12-13-2011, 10:27 AM   #6533
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if casinos really want to attract new players to PLO and PLO8 they need to offer it with $1-2 blinds so new players are comfortable its not just a bunch of sharks out to bust everyone NLHE bankrolls too quickly. none of this higher blinds chit, only the experts with the big rolls want that. and another thing thats bull is the $5 to bring it in, instead of just calling the $2. people who play NL HE are used to being able to see their unraised blind without having to put more money into the pot, and having to put more money in the pot not only makes the game play bigger than their comfort level, its very annoying on ur unraised BB not to play for free.

the opinion of 2+2 members is pretty much useless as it does not represent the average newcomer to a game, only those with large rolls for the most part are on 2+2,who are playing for a living.
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Old 12-13-2011, 11:02 AM   #6534
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http://parx.phil.ly/game/90

Hardly dead imo.

PLO as much or more at Parx than any other casino in the Northeast. Sorry you guys don't have the rolls to play, go start a 1/1 home game or something, jeez.
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Old 12-13-2011, 01:11 PM   #6535
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Ari,

Any updates on when we may expect to see a schedule for the WPT event ?
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Old 12-13-2011, 01:24 PM   #6536
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Who is complaining about stakes ? If collusion is in the air STAKES DONT MATTER !!!
I don't see where the collusion is? I've never seen any "softplaying or signaling" that you speak of. I've been playing the game on and off since Parx opened last November. The only reason BriMc texts everyone is because he wants to get the game going. Obviously PLO is not as popular than NLHE so he atleast takes the time to organize the game and atleast gives us players that actually want to play PLO a game to play in.

Sorry for rambling but don't have much time to post since I am at work all day.

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Old 12-13-2011, 02:40 PM   #6537
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I didnt see signaling , put soft play , squeeze plays , one player handing another cash at the table to rebuy , folds where its 100% correct to call the river , this ive seen . Funny the regs dont squeeze each other and keep the pots small when they are in . Wanna check it down , i got a wrap

And texts to organize a 1/3 game at a casino , thats home game stuff at that level , if you cant get players in a room full of degen gamblers over a years time something is wrong . Sounds like at least 5 people who play there agree . The same 3-5 players are sitting all the time , and text have been sent because it its like ohhhhhh we got a unknown player come on down its on

Game wreaks of something wrong . This is why its not going to take off , this is why when i go to parx i dont even ask if PLO is running
I played this game regularly for 8 months when I realized it was running every week. I can tell you that not once did I ever see any hand get soft played or checked down, even amongst the regs. If you saw this, than it was probably an abornmality in the game.

As for the number of players, BriMC and I would play HU to get the game running because that's how the game is. The casino players need to see a table of at least 6 players before they'll sit. So if there's a group of players that are willing to play short to get the game started then so be it. There's nothing wrong with wanting to get the game on it's feet. None of the regulars are going to get excited over a weak player because they all want to play PLO.

One more thing I think is important to point out, is your comment about someone folding when it's 100% correct to call. There are a lot of bad poker players out there who do stupid things. If you can't understand this basic premise then you should not even be commenting on the state of affairs for the game at Parx.

Everyone who is interested in PLO, as Ranma said, there's a weekly small stakes game downtown. Come join us and donk off your money to the sharks!
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Old 12-13-2011, 02:50 PM   #6538
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Squeezing without signaling is just good aggro poker. No one had ever said wanna check it down in the plo game without me calling them out For it cause that is garbage I hate soft play. None of the regs soft play reach other in the slightest.

You're accusations are laughable. I'm sure you got stacked a few times and your fragile little ego/br couldn't handle it so now you have to make unfounded accusations to make yourself feel better.

Hu4rofls any time buddy
HU4ROLZ accepted March WSOP circuit at Ceasars works for me , plus 5k from you and 5k from the other guy if I can spot cheating in your game in the next 3 months let the forum decide ... And these arent accusations ,, they are actual incidents I have witnessed. Dont like being called out on stuff ,, dont do it .

And fragile little ego.... LOLZ playa ... Your the guy with the fragile ego , thats why you have to take walks around the casino after i repot it a few times ...
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Old 12-13-2011, 03:04 PM   #6539
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This actually sounds like fun. Wouldn't mind drinking a few beers and playing some SS pokerz. Ranma were you in the game last Friday? If so, which seat? I got in around 11:30 and was Seat 3.
I was in the game briefly on Friday, I sat in the 5 seat. I played the silly hand where I bet, bet, check/called 2472T with KQTx
Send me a PM if you're interested in the home game with your Facebook information, we play on Sundays @ 3pm, game usually plays pretty deep.
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Old 12-13-2011, 03:20 PM   #6540
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I played this game regularly for 8 months when I realized it was running every week. I can tell you that not once did I ever see any hand get soft played or checked down, even amongst the regs. If you saw this, than it was probably an abornmality in the game.

As for the number of players, BriMC and I would play HU to get the game running because that's how the game is. The casino players need to see a table of at least 6 players before they'll sit. So if there's a group of players that are willing to play short to get the game started then so be it. There's nothing wrong with wanting to get the game on it's feet. None of the regulars are going to get excited over a weak player because they all want to play PLO.

One more thing I think is important to point out, is your comment about someone folding when it's 100% correct to call. There are a lot of bad poker players out there who do stupid things. If you can't understand this basic premise then you should not even be commenting on the state of affairs for the game at Parx.

Everyone who is interested in PLO, as Ranma said, there's a weekly small stakes game downtown. Come join us and donk off your money to the sharks!
abnormal being we dont know this player

Getting the game on its feet is the problem ,, hence the collusion , soft play talk

The regs are EXPERTS , they are the only ones in the game
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Old 12-13-2011, 11:22 PM   #6541
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.......who started all this PLO drama?? On a sidenote the more I read all Brimc's posts and his cohorts that obviously frequent the table, the more I am believing these allegations I have been told are true. Count me out for ever playing with you guys in PLO and I would not recommend playing to anyone else that may think of playing in it.
I play at parx a lot. So much that I hear about stuff on here before I read it. I also play in other poker rooms a lot. I have time on my hands that others don't. I'm a semi PLO reg at parx. What that means is I play a lot of PLO at parx, but I'm not necessarily part of the regular game. Mostly because I can't play on Wednesdays, and there are many friday nights I'm playing somewhere else. I'm also a 6/12 OE reg at parx. Many people who play either game know who I am, as well as I know who they are. If you would like an honest opinion on the people who told you about this collusion, I can tell you what I know about them. If you want an honest opinion of the people who are being accused, I could provide that to you too.

What I can tell you is, I don't believe there is any collusion in either game. There is the occasional soft play in 6/12 oe, but the people who play that game are usually people who've played with each other before I was even born. They've passed money back and forth so many times, they just have decided to check it down since they usually know its going to be a chop anyway. Most of this soft play is just a carryover from when these people played in AC. As for PLO, the only soft play I ever see is when I'm in the game with my friend, and we pretty much make it known that when its headsup we check it down, but when we're involved in a pot multiple ways we play normal. We do this while we play 2/5 nl as well, and nobody has ever had a problem. As far as collusion, I know the people that play the game regularly, played with them in different settings, and have never had a reason to suspect collusion.

I personally don't understand your posts. The point of your posts were that you like PLO, but don't trust the game at Parx. You feel that Parx is the only PA/NJ casino that offers PLO. I have played PLO in 2 AC casinos, 2 PA casinos, and at Delaware Park. If you really like the game, you can find a game to play in even if you don't feel comfortable playing in the game at Parx. Therefore, if you haven't been able to find a PLO game to play in yet, I question whether you truly like the game and if your one of the many who say I like the game but never shows up when a game is called.

I'll be in AC this weekend, and whisper down the lane says there will be PLO players at the Borgata on Friday. If you really wanna play PLO, you now know where to go
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Old 12-14-2011, 08:33 AM   #6542
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Parx is a nice place. I like the room, the space around tables, it's really great.

How long does it take to have your chips bagged for being absent? IIRC, it was ~30 mins? Does this change based on wait list size?
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Old 12-14-2011, 09:39 AM   #6543
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How long does it take to have your chips bagged for being absent? IIRC, it was ~30 mins? Does this change based on wait list size?
They can bag you up when you get your third absent button, so somewhere between 60-90 minutes of being away.

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Can you earn a premium or elite xclub or parx card by playing in the poker room? If so, how many hours of play do you need?
I don't know for sure, but in case no one else answers, I don't think so. Not positive about it though.
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Old 12-14-2011, 03:58 PM   #6544
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I think you guys should play 2/5 or 5/10, none of this 5/5, 10/10 nonsense they have going on at parx. Additionally, anyone can run good in 100bb pots so you two geniuses should play with at least a 250BB minimum. At least at the end of the night, you'll have some semblance of who sucks less than the other person. If I had to put my money on it, I'd guess the winner will be who ever devotes their life to jesus.
250bb is quiting time , 2/5 100bb to start , 2 reloads , or do a freeze out , idk Brian wants to set all the rules the venue the stakes , why dont we just play at his house or mine , home game to follow hu match
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Old 12-14-2011, 09:01 PM   #6545
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lol, what a joke - who are these people and why do they want to sabotage a good game?
They are doing us a favor. The game filled up faster than ever and tons of new people have pm'd me about the game this week. No such thing as bad publicity.
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Old 12-14-2011, 10:10 PM   #6546
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2 full tables of plo on a Wednesday. Thanks haters.
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Old 12-15-2011, 07:41 AM   #6547
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This has clearly run its course, it is getting all "internet" in here. If anyone wants to make a judgement they can read any of the many people who spoke about this topics opinions.
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Old 12-15-2011, 10:40 AM   #6548
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As someone who lives in NC, I'll comment on my experience playing in the parx plo games during the last big tourney series. I played everyday somewhere between 7-10 days, anywhere from 1-3 to 5-5 with a mandatory straddle. I didn't see one incident of any soft play, collusion, angle or any other situation that would of deterred me from ever playing in the game again. The game got going everyday because of people like Brian went out of their way to communicate with others who wanted to play plo. This is how nonstandard games get going. It is always going to be regs who start the games, of coarse they are going to know each other. For anyone who has played any significant amount of plo, you know that the vibe at the table is always better than a miserable 2-5 nl game. Its probably because everyone understands the complete sick variance of plo and has accepted it, therefore just tries to enjoy themselves. If you are a miserable small stakes nl player you wont understand this and when you catch the bad side of variance you blame it on anything you can to make yourself feel better. Anyway see you regs when the wpt comes. / excuse my grammar/spelling posting from my phone

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Old 12-16-2011, 08:38 AM   #6549
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Anyone up for some PLO tonight? I can get there around 9-10ish.
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Old 12-16-2011, 09:54 AM   #6550
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Anyone up for some PLO tonight? I can get there around 9-10ish.
I'll be there early to get things started by 7.

Game will be full by then and hopefully there will be a must move already started. See you later.
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