Was contemplating hopping on that 10:45 bus from NYC to parx. Does anyone know if I am tied to that 5:30 bus back to NYC? Or would I be able to get on a later one? Any info is greatly appreciated.

There are buses that run all day, shouldnt be a problem.

Not quite. If you miss your original bus, you can get on stand-by for a later return time, but don't count on seats for the 11:30PM and the 2:00AM buses, which are combo-borough buses.

Also, return tickets are valid for 12 hours and the same gaming day only. If your original return time is, say 3:45PM, and you play a long session and try to get on the 4:00AM bus (last bus out), you'll pay another $14.00.

While it's true that you get on standby for returning at a time that is not your regular scheduled one, I have been able to get on a later bus every other time except one. Also, while the return tickets used to be good for 24 hours, but now say 12 hours, I have not paid the $14 for going over the 12 hour period.

I have been told the PLO game at PARX is ran by three of the same players every time it runs colluding together to take the others' money. This was told to me by 5 regular Parx players as well as outsiders that told me about the game. Is this still the case?? I would love to play in a legitimate PLO game but the thought of collusion in such a draw heavy game with possibility of 3 colluders scares me away.... Can anyone else comment on these rumors/possible facts??? Not tough to have two or three guys signaling or raising say set vs. nut flush draw back and forth until all in squeezing other players out of pots.... If the game is legit, I would love to play in it often this winter.

Obviously I'm one of the regs in the game, and I do a lot of texting and coordinating to get the game going, so I can't help but feel like I'm one of the people this is directed at.

First of all, it isn't "still the case" because it never was.

Second, Who told you that? I'd like to talk to all of them, cause that is a serious allegation and its total garbage. There is none of that going on in the game, at all. There's no signalling, no back raising, there isn't even soft playing, we try to stack each other every chance we get.

Third, I'm the biggest nit about game integrity there is. When I've backed people I've been adamant that we never sit at the same table because I don't think its ethical to play at the same table as one of your horses, even thought that stuff goes on all the time. Friday night I called out another reg at the table for not protecting the game's integrity on Wednesday night (see this thread for details: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/27...thing-1137266/). Those are just 2 examples off the top of my head.

For someone to say that the regs in the game are cheating is ridiculous, what proof is there? For you to have "heard" that from 5+ people is laughable. I really think you are exaggerating, or making it all up entirely to stir up things, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.

I'm no cheater and none are the other plo regs at Parx. Next time anyone feels like saying we are, please come say it to me personally, other wise keep your mouth shut.


P.S.

I looked back through your post history and it seems you are the same guy who accused the 6/12 O/E game of cheating you without any evidence a few months ago. So what's your deal? You work for Sands or something?

I can confirm this because I was once backed by BriMc. One of our rules was I was never allowed to play PLO, let alone play in the game while he was playing, since that would ruin the integrity of the game. I am no longer backed and I take every opportunity I get to stack him or anyone else at the table.

I do not work for Sands, I am a regular there and enjoy going to that casino the most but do go to others as well. I can obviously not post on here the people's names that told me there is collusion in the PLO game. I can tell you this, when I was there playing OE there was a PLO game going short-handed with like 6 players in it. I love the game and was saying I was gonna go over and play, at the time I had a lot of chips from the OE game and wanted to play for higher stakes. Two of the regs in the OE game told me not to waste my time in that game that there are 3 players that squeeze the rest of the table. He said anyone there that is a reg and played in the game will say the same thing that the collusion among these three players is that obvious so I never played in the game. On another occasion, I befriended an late 20ish Asian player that I spoke to several times on the phone and was gonna come play in the O8 game at the Sands. In one of our conversations, I mentioned to him about what the regs said about the PLO game. I thought maybe they told me that because they did not wanna lose another player in the already short OE game. My newly befriended reg at Parx said it was true as well about the PLO game. Throughout the months, their were two PARX players I played with in other games that told me the same thing. These were the 5 people that said this, I never played in the PLO game as a result. I have nothing to gain by sharing my story. If you would like to PM me, I can tell you the names I remember or was told. Also, I played in the OE game at PARX three times, all three times posted a winning session. I did not flat out say the players are cheating, I did say they softplay beyond belief. I stick by what I said and it was from a sample size of only 3 sessions but all 3 times were the same players soft playing. Others on here shared my opinions openly about the OE game there. I am sure there will be posters that also mention the same thing about the PLO game. Again, I NEVER played in the PLO game, but was told the same thing by 5 players.

So you never played in the plo game but you come on here asking if we are still cheating everyone. That seems fair.

Then 3 of the 5 people you say accused us of cheating are regs in the O/E game and told you that we're cheaters when you were about to rack up and come play with us and leave that game short. You don't mention that in your fist post though. You're a real piece of work.

Yeah send me the names of the people who called us cheaters. I'm pretty sure you won't though.

I must be the worst cheater ever since im a reg in the game yet i was stuck 10k btwn september and november.

I played in this game recently and had a keen eye out for any collusion since it was obvious that a) I was an outsider (1st time there) and b) it was shorthanded and the other players obviously knew one another.

I saw no evidence of soft play (quite the contrary, actually). Yes, there may have been some raising taking place between the nut flush draw and someone with a set. Welcome to pot limit omaha. I remember one such hand where I had broadway and I was sticking it in there too.

Accusing someone of cheating at a game where trust is inherently important like poker is a serious thing. I think you need to have more facts (first-hand knowledge) if you're going to do this on a oft-visited place like 2+2.

(Disclaimer: Old username was Romo9MVP. Had to change it after the game tonight because the Cowboys and football sucks hard and I don't want to be reminded of that everytime I login here).

Just another sands player hating on Parx. Oh well

what a ridiculous accusation. I hate these "I heard from so and so that....." posts.

The big problem with throwing something like that out is, when people come in to defend the game and their integrity, it might be assumed "oh, they must be the ones colluding....of course they are gonna say that".

This is at least the second game variation that you've accused of collusion. You mentioned the exact same thing about the 6/12 game. In that post you talk about squeezing out draws and the perceived aggression vs non-regs. Squeezing out draws is obv super standard and extreme aggression vs non regs (less experienced players) can also be explained as good poker.

While reviewing your post history, everything you say about PARX is negative. The bar, the games, the bathroom, the room is so smokey you can't see (actual quote). You also have multiple negative posts in the Mount Airy (Poconos) thread.

It's fairly clear you have ulterior motives. Look, if you're a Sands fan, that's awesome. Play poker there. Play poker there often...and enjoy it. No need to bash other rooms when it's not warranted.
Please DO play the game.

Ok, so I'm less angry than I was last night about this, plus the Giants Won. (sorry ex-Romo, I had to twist that knife a bit).


Last thing I'll say on it is this, the game has ebbed and flowed over the past year, currently we play 2x a week (Wed and Friday, sometimes more, less if there is a big tournament somewhere).

Everything at PARX is recorded, so come down and play, find some evidence of signaling and back raising, and what ever other collusion some guy told you goes on.

If PARUMORMONGER or anyone else that thinks the PLO game at PARX "is ran by three of the same players every time it runs colluding together to take the others' money" can do that, and prove that any of the game's regs (defined as someone who has been a reg for the past year, and continues to play at least 1x a week over the course of the next 3 months) in the game are colluding, I will pay you $5K in cash.

And if you aren't willing to man up and try to prove your accusations then you should apologize for running your mouth.

5k from me too... Brimc and i both have played in that game 90% of the times it has run. We win we lose but i have never spotted any cheating. I think the perception may be there bc we always have a ton of chips... But in reality i have a platinum lucky horseshoe shoved up my ass (i can say ass right?)

I play the PLO game occasionally but I'm a huge fish so you'll usually see me at 2/5 NL... I can say that I've never noticed anything fishy going on (unless you count my play!)

You can't be a huge fish when you only play like 4 hands in 3 hours.

Thanks for saying what you've observed from actually playing the game.

So that's 6 people who've actually played the game that say its straight up, and silence from the guy who came here to stir the pot.

I'm more suspicious by u guys defending this game then the actual claims that were made

I don't play the game, but why wouldn't they defend it?

People who lose in games can't accept that the reason they lost is due to variance or bad play. They think they must have been cheated, and will talk about it to anyone who will listen as poker players are want to do. Look at the constant blathering by losing players about how online poker is rigged and no one can win.
Also passive players getting whipsawed will see the only likely reason as collusion.

Persistent collusion is exceedingly rare and rarely effective. It really sucks that a few people suggesting that could hurt a fledgling game people are working so hard to make regular.

If you want to be super suspicious you should also consider that the people telling you this want to drive players into their own game.

Let me explain why im defending it-- other can explain there reasons.
1 i hate playing nlh for hours on end. 2. I enjoy the action and the game is much more laid back for a rec player like myself then say a 10-10 nl game. 3. And probably most important-- i defend the integrity of this game bc it is tough to get a plo game going and since we worked so hard to get the game a place at Parx and also a player pool... I dont want to lose it bc people are afraid to play bc of one knucklehead claiming collusion.

^this

Ive played with the players being referred to and saw a lot of raises, pot bets and bluffs... PLO is an action game. People who lose tend to complain and will make any excuse possible, especially if they can't handle the aggressive game and the swings. I've heard the same accusation for the 10-10 game about squeezing. Whatever

Thank you, this is my point exactly and why I added the TOO FUNNY comment. I made a post that in hindsight may not of been the best idea based on things I have heard from other players and not of ever playing in the game myself. I love PLO and really wanted to play, only reason I posted was to get some useful feedback from others that played in the game. I have received to very helpful PMs from my post. These players that are taking so much offense were never called out directly by name. All I was looking for was posts in response or PMs that were like yes, it is a straight, honest game. Or on the flip side, I played in it and it seemed a little shady IMO. Instead the so called regs jump on me like I stole their first born. Just your defensiveness and anger will steer me away from ever playing it. It is a shame because Sands will not spread PLO and it is my best and favorite game. So I was going to go to PARX twice a week to play, but now I will not come out because of all the negativity. Hopefully one day I can find a good PLO game, if you know of any casino in PA or NJ that spreads one regularly, please let me know. Thanks.

I think Parx spreads a $5 single blind PLO game twice a week on Wednesday and Friday. $200-500 buyin. Occasional $10 straddle. Good game.

Any idea on when the tournament schedule will be released?

Plo tommorow? 630 start short?