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Old 11-11-2011, 10:56 PM   #6251
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Re: Parx Casino (Bensalem, PA) -- FAQ updated 2011.09.08

Anyone know what time the Dec 4th freeroll is?

(oh and +1 to NOT wanting cash to play)
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Old 11-12-2011, 12:03 AM   #6252
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Re: Parx Casino (Bensalem, PA) -- FAQ updated 2011.09.08

Im planning on playing every day from like 6pm to 2am, 5-5.Are the tables complete reg fests? How many regs would you say the avg table gets.Im hoping less then half and curios if all regs or most regs are positive ev in these games and what number of regs that are above breakeven would it take to make it negative ev..Im very good table selecting and the few times I was there floor didn't seem to happy about moving people around.Is any of this accurate. Im a newbie Hello to all!
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Old 11-13-2011, 01:05 PM   #6253
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Re: Parx Casino (Bensalem, PA) -- FAQ updated 2011.09.08

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Im planning on playing every day from like 6pm to 2am, 5-5.Are the tables complete reg fests? How many regs would you say the avg table gets.Im hoping less then half and curios if all regs or most regs are positive ev in these games and what number of regs that are above breakeven would it take to make it negative ev..Im very good table selecting and the few times I was there floor didn't seem to happy about moving people around.Is any of this accurate. Im a newbie Hello to all!
Floor has always been super chill with me changing tables... Like, as they're walking me to my first table I tell them I want a transfer and they're fine. Then they move me and 30 minutes later I tell them I want a transfer and they're cool with it. So I dunno whats happenning to you.

I would say at a given table I usually recognize 2/9 players when I sit. The regulars are mostly horribly exploitable and I don't mind having them at my table, but they don't give much action.
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Old 11-14-2011, 01:49 AM   #6254
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Re: Parx Casino (Bensalem, PA) -- FAQ updated 2011.09.08

Yeah i think what happen was a 3 man walking rule, i left and a guy right behind me left so i think it made the table short but thanks for the info.I went the regs were playing abc and were scared to call any 3 bets etc. I will see you on the felt.
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Old 11-15-2011, 02:24 PM   #6255
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Re: Parx Casino (Bensalem, PA) -- FAQ updated 2011.09.08

Anyone know how many tournament runners there have been the last couple Tuesday and Thursday night 120s?

Interested in playing it tonight, but wanted to get an idea of how many players and how much time the tournament would take as a whole?
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Old 11-15-2011, 03:16 PM   #6256
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Anyone know how many tournament runners there have been the last couple Tuesday and Thursday night 120s?

Interested in playing it tonight, but wanted to get an idea of how many players and how much time the tournament would take as a whole?
Around 150 ish is a safe estimate, sometimes as many as 200, but usually in between 130 - 180 runners and usually chops before you even get to the final table around 1 - 2:00 am.
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Old 11-15-2011, 09:04 PM   #6257
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Re: Parx Casino (Bensalem, PA) -- FAQ updated 2011.09.08

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Im planning on playing every day from like 6pm to 2am, 5-5.Are the tables complete reg fests? How many regs would you say the avg table gets.Im hoping less then half and curios if all regs or most regs are positive ev in these games and what number of regs that are above breakeven would it take to make it negative ev..Im very good table selecting and the few times I was there floor didn't seem to happy about moving people around.Is any of this accurate. Im a newbie Hello to all!
I play the 6/12 O/E and see a ton of the same players day in and day out. I go to Parx about 2 or 3 times a month so thats saying something

As far as the 15/30 games, that entire game is a reg rest, sad thing is, they arent very good either. You would think they would be but they're very exploitable.

As far as when games run, this list is pretty spot on

http://www.gamblebuddy.com/index.php...d=43&Itemid=64
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Old 11-16-2011, 12:45 PM   #6258
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Yeah i think what happen was a 3 man walking rule, i left and a guy right behind me left so i think it made the table short but thanks for the info.I went the regs were playing abc and were scared to call any 3 bets etc. I will see you on the felt.
Hey Todd...wonder if I played with you yet. Are you a tall thin younger white dude. Did you play 2/5 tues night?
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Old 11-18-2011, 03:43 PM   #6259
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Hey Todd...wonder if I played with you yet. Are you a tall thin younger white dude. Did you play 2/5 tues night?
I am tall and white, 38.Have played there a few weeks ago and i will be back first week of dec. full time.Whats your name , are the games been decent lately??
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Old 11-19-2011, 06:49 PM   #6260
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Re: Parx Casino (Bensalem, PA) -- FAQ updated 2011.09.08

Parx live game report shows 10/20 OE (not 15/30).
Can anyone confirm/deny ?
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Old 11-19-2011, 08:15 PM   #6261
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Parx live game report shows 10/20 OE (not 15/30).
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confirmed 10/20
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Old 11-19-2011, 10:45 PM   #6262
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Cheats and angle shooters; PARX is your new home.

Where else can someone be playing poker, heads up in a hand of NL hold'em, $1,000's at stake, and on the river of a big hand, announce for everyone in the room to hear, "I'M ALL IN!" while pushing your stack across the line...and not be held to the bet! That's right...if it's not your action, you can just go all in, and if your opponent calls, you know they must have a big hand, so then you just have to remind the dealer that it wasn't your turn to act, therefore the action is not binding! Brilliant! And maybe your opponent will muck his hand, thinking you have a monster, and you can scoop the pot that way.

Either way you choose to abuse this rule, take comfort knowing that no harm will come to you, as Ari has personally given this rule his stamp of approval. It is a rule which does not fly in any respectable poker room, but here at parx, you can feel free to abuse it on a regular basis. I have personally witnessed the same grimy Albanian guy pull this stunt five times! I was also at his table when he tried this at the Borgata, but they ruled his action would stand, and
they made him put the chips over the line. He had air, got called, then berated the floor person for making his action count when it wasn't his turn. "Should've stayed at parx!" I shouted to him, and he replied, with his thick Albanian accent, "You got that right."

If you're wondering how this is possible, it's been explained to me that Ari enacted this rule to protect the inexperienced player who might inadvertently make a bet out of turn. But cheaters can feel free to abuse it on a nightly basis. If a dealer even makes an issue of it, which he might not, you simply have to plead ignorance, and they'll let you pull your bet back and let you off
with a warning. But as soon as the shift changes, you can do it again, especially if you're at a new table. and you can come back night after night and keep doing it, making sure you slow down after you get called out on it. But even if you get caught doing it TWICE in the same session, it's only a 24 hr ban! I mean really, is there a friendlier attitude towards cheats and scumbags anywhere in the poker community?

Personally it disgusts me, and I've spoken to management on numerous occasions, but they're all a bunch of sheep, claiming "we don't make the rules, we just follow them."
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Old 11-20-2011, 01:29 PM   #6263
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Re: Parx Casino (Bensalem, PA) -- FAQ updated 2011.09.08

...parx has a couple absolutely horrendous rules (all of which escape me right now) but the one MC just posted is probably the worst. It has never been abused in a 10/10 game that I've played but I've heard lots of stories of people doing it at 2/5.

Ari, you guys really need to change that rule.
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Old 11-20-2011, 02:30 PM   #6264
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Re: Parx Casino (Bensalem, PA) -- FAQ updated 2011.09.08

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...parx has a couple absolutely horrendous rules (all of which escape me right now) but the one MC just posted is probably the worst. It has never been abused in a 10/10 game that I've played but I've heard lots of stories of people doing it at 2/5.

Ari, you guys really need to change that rule.
I actually saw them rule it the other way in a 10/10 game back in September. An inexperienced player accidentally announced all in out of turn. His opponent snap called and turned over his top two pair immediately. The floor ruled that the action was bang bang and considered the bet binding, despite the protests of the shover.
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Old 11-20-2011, 02:56 PM   #6265
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Re: Cheats and angle shooters; PARX is your new home.

If you're wondering how this is possible, it's been explained to me that Ari enacted this rule to protect the inexperienced player who might inadvertently make a bet out of turn.

How does this protect the inexperienced player? Its more important to protect the integrity of the game. Don't you think?
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Old 11-20-2011, 06:59 PM   #6266
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Re: Cheats and angle shooters; PARX is your new home.

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How does this protect the inexperienced player?
i.e. Tipsy inexperienced player playing 1-2nl telling a story to the guy next to him about how he went "all-in" last week with 5 high and no draw. Someone else in the hand says that this player said all-in and must be forced to put his chips in the middle
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Old 11-20-2011, 07:41 PM   #6267
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i.e. Tipsy inexperienced player playing 1-2nl telling a story to the guy next to him about how he went "all-in" last week with 5 high and no draw. Someone else in the hand says that this player said all-in and must be forced to put his chips in the middle
You gotta be kidding me.Thats a horrible example. Maybe Ari could comment on this....please
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Old 11-20-2011, 10:14 PM   #6268
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...parx has a couple absolutely horrendous rules (all of which escape me right now) but the one MC just posted is probably the worst. It has never been abused in a 10/10 game that I've played but I've heard lots of stories of people doing it at 2/5.

Ari, you guys really need to change that rule.
Thank you for the feedback, I am speaking to the managers now and we will make a decision by the end of the week.
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Old 11-20-2011, 10:31 PM   #6269
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Thank you for the feedback, I am speaking to the managers now and we will make a decision by the end of the week.
Ari, thanks for responding.

Let me chime in and say that this rule should be changed. I've seen some horrible angle shooting when out of turn bets are not enforced.
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Old 11-20-2011, 11:13 PM   #6270
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Ari, thanks for responding.

Let me chime in and say that this rule should be changed. I've seen some horrible angle shooting when out of turn bets are not enforced.
We always try and listen, seems as if this change is needed. We will announce for sure this week.
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Old 11-20-2011, 11:39 PM   #6271
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Disclaimer: I play almost entirely limit, where this issues is almost completely irrelevant.

I prefer the rule as is. One makes a bet in context of knowing how many people are in the hand, still have to act, etc. While granting that it is the players' responsibility to know who else is in the hand, we have all made mistakes of this sort before, and sometimes you truly can't see someone else's cards, or the dealer appears to give you a visual cue that it's your turn when it is not, etc. By far the best solution is for the bet to not be binding, and now the player whose turn it actually is has some extra information which they can use, or not, as they see fit.

Having that that, as with many of the other rules of conduct which have an element of floor discretion to them, these rules only work if the floors take appropriate action to dissuade players from abusing them. That is the nature of managing all manner of angleshooting, which by definition is within the rules, but not the spirit of the rules. Surely, if most of the regulars who play in this game know about the alleged violator's repeat violations, (and leaving aside that they could also possibly use this knowledge to their own advantage,) then so should the floor personnel who routinely run those games. After he's pulled this move a third time, give him a week's vacation. After a fourth, give him a permaban.

I understand that there are logistical considerations here, with multiple floors working multiple shifts, but come on now. These floors know all the regular players on a first name basis. They know what's up, and can manage something as straightforward as this if they know it's their responsibility to do so.

If, at the end of the day, Parx decides that floors cannot keep track of habitual violators of this rule, then sadly I agree that the rule should probably be changed to make OOT actions be binding (if the action doesn't change to them - and here again, my personal belief is that intervening calls should be considered changing the action, but that is probably a minority opinion).

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Old 11-20-2011, 11:54 PM   #6272
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Ari,
Played in 6/12 O/E Game thise weekend and I heard that they are adding a kill to the stud round starting tomorrow. Sounds fine, but no dealer/floor could give a clear explanation of how it works. Some said player with kill posts an auto $3 bring in, others say 9, which I agree with. Can you explain all kill rules for stud?
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Old 11-21-2011, 12:46 PM   #6273
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Re: Parx Casino (Bensalem, PA) -- FAQ updated 2011.09.08

There's solid reasons why most every casino makes out of turn bets binding.

I think that the damage it does to players who make a simple mistake is far outweighed by the players who abuse the rule.

In big bet poker, one of the biggest angle shoots you can do (if allowed) is to pretend to accidentally bet out of turn, freeze the action, and then check behind. You can get a free card or see a cheap showdown that way. If someone still bets into after seein you bet, then you have info you wouldn't have otherwise. Or you can simply observe your opponents' reactions to your "error" and use that information to adjust your bet size.

What makes the situation worse is when Parx doesn't enforce this rule, but most other casinos and home games do, it sets up even experienced players to be exploited after they learn the hard way that Parx is different than the regional norm.

My experience is primarily in big bet games, and not limit. However, in my defense, the rule is more important in those games: it only has to be exploited once in a while, in a huge pot, for it to have an impact. Conversely, pulling the angle in limit will only net or save you one bet.
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Old 11-21-2011, 01:52 PM   #6274
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After spending 3 straight days at Borgata this weekend I can comfortably say I am glad I play 90% of my volume at Parx and a big part of it is the floor and how attentive they are.
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Old 11-21-2011, 02:11 PM   #6275
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After spending 3 straight days at Borgata this weekend I can comfortably say I am glad I play 90% of my volume at Parx and a big part of it is the floor and how attentive they are.

I couldn't agree more.

Big thumbs up on changing the out of turn bet rule.
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