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Old 08-17-2011, 01:30 PM   #5601
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Can anybody report the structure of the SNGs/satellites or how long they have been running on average?
I played in one of the 70+15 SNG - starting 3000 chips with 20 mins level and no ante
it is a donkfest - my QQ got beaten by 46os, guy called all in with pair of 4 and hit another 4 on turn.. but it was fun

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Old 08-17-2011, 02:26 PM   #5602
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That doesn't sound too bad. I like antes, but for sngs that already have a fast structure, they make the stacks way too shallow. Do you remember the blind levels: 25/50, 50/100, 100/200, 200/400 I'm guessing? Hoping they have a 75/150 level, but not counting on it. Thanks.

Obv the play will be terrible, that's why I'm interesting in playing .
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Old 08-17-2011, 04:51 PM   #5603
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That doesn't sound too bad. I like antes, but for sngs that already have a fast structure, they make the stacks way too shallow. Do you remember the blind levels: 25/50, 50/100, 100/200, 200/400 I'm guessing? Hoping they have a 75/150 level, but not counting on it. Thanks.

Obv the play will be terrible, that's why I'm interesting in playing .
yes, the structure sounds correct, don't think there was a 75/150
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Old 08-17-2011, 05:34 PM   #5604
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For September/October is there going to be a 100k freeroll or some other cash back promotion? If not, I'm heading to Atlantic City until December. The rake is 25% higher at Parx than AC poker rooms. This is a huge negative about this casino.
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Old 08-17-2011, 05:37 PM   #5605
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The rake is the same since AC takes out $1 for bbj
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Old 08-17-2011, 05:45 PM   #5606
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No. The BBJ has an actual expected value. You risk a small amount of money at a slightly negative EV (they skim for administrative and advertising "costs") to win a large amount of money. With rake you're just losing money.

The rake at Parx is $5. The rake in AC is like ~$4.10 with BBJ factored in.
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Old 08-18-2011, 08:42 AM   #5607
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For September/October is there going to be a 100k freeroll or some other cash back promotion? If not, I'm heading to Atlantic City until December. The rake is 25% higher at Parx than AC poker rooms. This is a huge negative about this casino.
Depending on your car, it costs like $30-40 to go to AC and back with gas and tolls. This doesn't include the opportunity cost of your time spent driving 1hr and 15 minutes to AC.

Does the 25% higher rake in philadelphia make up for that? I can't see that happening unless you play 20 hour sessions. I'm also assuming you live in Philly. Maybe you don't and I'm way off.
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Old 08-18-2011, 10:05 AM   #5608
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Depending on your car, it costs like $30-40 to go to AC and back with gas and tolls. This doesn't include the opportunity cost of your time spent driving 1hr and 15 minutes to AC.

Does the 25% higher rake in philadelphia make up for that? I can't see that happening unless you play 20 hour sessions. I'm also assuming you live in Philly. Maybe you don't and I'm way off.
This applies to me, and I live in central NJ. I'd rather pay 1 dollar for the toll about the half the gas for a 50 minute drive than 7.50 in tolls and over 2 hours of driving(my parents do live about 60% on the way tho). Also, it's just completely unfeasible to go to AC during the week too. It doesn't hurt that Parx is run very well. Thus, I play more at Parx these days.
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Old 08-18-2011, 03:23 PM   #5609
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hey does anyone know how long the 340's(nonturbo) run. do they always go to day 2? was thinking about playing tomorow, but im also playing the main saturday
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Old 08-18-2011, 03:29 PM   #5610
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No. The BBJ has an actual expected value. You risk a small amount of money at a slightly negative EV (they skim for administrative and advertising "costs") to win a large amount of money. With rake you're just losing money.

The rake at Parx is $5. The rake in AC is like ~$4.10 with BBJ factored in.
LMAO, I would love to know where you got the math for that SWAG from.

Anyway, even if you had a real number, the pure EV of the situation is nearly meaningless since the vast majority of the player pool don't play anywhere close to the number of hands that are required to make it statistically significant. You could play full time for 10 years, never hit a BBJ and its not even that much an outlier, just moderate run bad. (SWAG numbers: 500k hands in 10 years, odds of hitting bbj 1 in 125k)

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Any idea if this is also the buy-in to 5-5 PLO?
5/5 plo is 400/1500 just like 2/5PLO, we just wanted all the white/blue out of the game.
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Old 08-18-2011, 03:30 PM   #5611
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I played in one of the 70+15 SNG - starting 3000 chips with 20 mins level and no ante
it is a donkfest - my QQ got beaten by 46os, guy called all in with pair of 4 and hit another 4 on turn.. but it was fun

Sounds like the kind of BS that happens to me..........
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Old 08-18-2011, 04:08 PM   #5612
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Playin 10/10 NL
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Old 08-18-2011, 05:05 PM   #5613
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LMAO, I would love to know where you got the math for that SWAG from.

Anyway, even if you had a real number, the pure EV of the situation is nearly meaningless since the vast majority of the player pool don't play anywhere close to the number of hands that are required to make it statistically significant. You could play full time for 10 years, never hit a BBJ and its not even that much an outlier, just moderate run bad. (SWAG numbers: 500k hands in 10 years, odds of hitting bbj 1 in 125k)



5/5 plo is 400/1500 just like 2/5PLO, we just wanted all the white/blue out of the game.
Math? It doesn't matter what the odds of hitting the BBJ are. They take 10% for advertising and administrative costs. The remaining 90% is returned to players. You're paying a 10% vig on a lottery ticket. Each lottery ticket costs $1 collectively for the table to play it.

The long term payout is slightly evened out by the fact that you get paid for being at the table when it hits too. And who cares about statistically significant sample sizes. EV is EV. I'd rather not have a BBJ don't get me wrong, but don't act as if $4+$1bbj is the same rake as $5.
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Old 08-18-2011, 05:20 PM   #5614
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is 10/20 or 10/25 gonna run tomorrow night?
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Old 08-18-2011, 07:11 PM   #5615
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Overheard today that they are adding more weekly tournaments. I think Thursday and Sunday. Did not hear the buy-in amounts. Looking forward to them
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Old 08-18-2011, 07:39 PM   #5616
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Ari,

Any word on letting us players use the wifi, it would be so useful..Like maybe we could somehow pay for it with our comps or something

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Old 08-18-2011, 09:30 PM   #5617
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Will be there this weekend for a few tourneys, my first time there...I am used to AC where it is free drinks and no last call...is it the same at Parx or is it like $7 a beer while sitting at a game??
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Old 08-18-2011, 09:35 PM   #5618
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not a big beer drinker but they deff charge for alcohol. And some of it is a rip off. I think they have Miller High life for $1.50 though. The **** I drink is $9
And yes 2am is last call...LOLPLCB
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Old 08-18-2011, 10:39 PM   #5619
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The drinks here arent free and are in fact super expensive. The poker room doesnt have wifi. The rake is also 25% higher than all the casinos in Atlantic City.

The Borgata in AC has free drinks, wifi and lower rake. It is hands down the #1 cardroom on the east coast and it's not close. I wouldn't feel to good about that if I were Ari and parx management. My line of thought you should always aim to be the best. Maybe Parx should offer awesome benefits to players that play 100 hours + a month. We are spending freakin $1000+ a month at Parx. At least meet the standard accommodations in Atlantic City ,drinks, wifi, and 25% cash back so the cost to play poker is the same as Atlantic city. These improvements wouldnt cost you much money and would in fact make you more money because you'd increase your market share. You'd acquire your competitors customers and pretty much crush the other poker rooms. Get creative, treat super high volume regulars like kings, make Parx Poker the #1 poker room in the entire USA.

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Old 08-18-2011, 10:51 PM   #5620
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The drinks here arent free and are in fact super expensive. The poker room doesnt have wifi. The rake is also 25% higher than all the casinos in Atlantic City.

The Borgata in AC has free drinks, wifi and lower rake. It is hands down the #1 cardroom on the east coast and it's not close. I wouldn't feel to good about that if I were Ari and parx management. My line of thought you should always aim to be the best. Maybe Parx should offer awesome benefits to players that play 100 hours + a month. We are spending freakin $1000+ a month at Parx. At least meet the standard accommodations in Atlantic City ,drinks, wifi, and 25% cash back so the cost to play poker is the same as Atlantic city. These improvements wouldnt cost you much money and would in fact make you more money because you'd increase your market share. You'd acquire your competitors customers and pretty much crush the other poker rooms. Get creative, treat super high volume regulars like kings, make Parx Poker the #1 poker room in the entire USA.
Ummm they had a $100,000 freeroll earlier this month for players who played at least 100 hours in June and July. 457 players played with $20,000 for first. That's a $218 value. Not that bad.
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Old 08-18-2011, 11:05 PM   #5621
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Ummm they had a $100,000 freeroll earlier this month for players who played at least 100 hours in June and July. 457 players played with $20,000 for first. That's a $218 value. Not that bad.
They better have another one for Sept-Oct or I'm moving to Brigantine for 3 months. Parx will personally miss out on $6000 in rake just from me. I want Parx to improve soo much I dont want to play anywhere else.
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Old 08-18-2011, 11:38 PM   #5622
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The drinks here arent free and are in fact super expensive. The poker room doesnt have wifi. The rake is also 25% higher than all the casinos in Atlantic City.

The Borgata in AC has free drinks, wifi and lower rake. It is hands down the #1 cardroom on the east coast and it's not close. I wouldn't feel to good about that if I were Ari and parx management. My line of thought you should always aim to be the best. Maybe Parx should offer awesome benefits to players that play 100 hours + a month. We are spending freakin $1000+ a month at Parx. At least meet the standard accommodations in Atlantic City ,drinks, wifi, and 25% cash back so the cost to play poker is the same as Atlantic city. These improvements wouldnt cost you much money and would in fact make you more money because you'd increase your market share. You'd acquire your competitors customers and pretty much crush the other poker rooms. Get creative, treat super high volume regulars like kings, make Parx Poker the #1 poker room in the entire USA.
Too long, don't read but I had to post this so...

Everyone has their own favorite room and that's fine. I like the borgata plenty too, and don't like 1 room over the other. You also only represent 1 population. I'm not trying to be an ass here just going to give you the view of another population.

I don't drink when i play cards so i don't care too much about the alcohol policy, the players that like to drink and play crazy (bad fish) still do, even if they have to pay.

The games I play are time games, not rake, and the time charge at parx are the same as the borgata and other AC rooms, so they could rake $10 a pot at 1/2 for all I care.

I have unlimited web on my phone and go to a poker room to play poker not surf the web anyway so WiFi really doesn't matter to me.

Most of what makes me go to parx a lot and not AC as much comes down to 1 simple thing, distance.

Parx and Chester are 25 minutes from my house, AC is 1 hour. It would be really rare for me to take a trip to AC on a weeknight when i have to work the next morning, it is quite convenient during the week to go play cards for a few hours, it's only 35 minutes difference each way but it really makes it much more convenient. It costs me less in gas and tolls as well, not that it plays much of a part for me, in fact it could cost $5 more in tolls to go to parx and i would still go there since it is closer, the 1 hour 10 minutes of time saved would be worth it. Even on a weekend, it is much more convenient on a whim, especially in the summer, friday night traffic on AC expressway can be a *****.

Whether others agree or not, in my opinion the distance is the draw is for most parx players. Parx is a great room for sure, but I think the location is one of it's biggest draws. Not sure how many poker players you know, but i know a lot, and every time I am at parx I see tons of players I know from Tah/Borgata, and it's more and more every time. When i shoot the breeze with them the first time i see them at parx they all say something along the lines of, "Yeah i still go to AC, but Parx is X time/distance closer so I come here a lot now, it's just so close".

Parx competitor is more so Chester than the borgata. The borgata becomes the competitor for a small niche of people that happen to live dead in the middle of the 2.

My biggest gripe about parx is the lack of food options in the poker building, especially after 9pm. You can only eat at the noodle bar so many times, and i'm scared to order food from the poker room snack bar.

If you do play the raked games, you are technically right that $4+$1BBJ is a better rake than $5 no BBJ. If you factor in the cost of travel to the borgata, the rake is damn near the same for most of us. If people want to drive extra time to save ~$5 a trip in rake that is their prerogative.

You are entitled to your opinion sir, just realize that you don't represent everyone, only your situation which is different then many others. You are free to like one room better than another but you don't need to come and S*** on the other rooms.

Ari and crew do take our suggestions into consideration all the time, if you read this entire thread you will see what changes have been made in the last year or so. I wouldn't be surprised if we get the Wifi soon. As far as alcohol, not sure if that is Parx rule or PA rule.

Keep in mind you catch more flies with Honey, telling Ari his room sucks is less likely to get him to listen to you as opposed to writing or approaching him like an adult with your suggestions.

And i didn't even bring up the game differences
Here are just a few:
2/5 at parx has bigger buy in 1k instead of 500.
Limits run 4/8 15/30 30/60 60/120 instead of 3/6 10/20 20/40 40/80 etc...
If you are ready for 15/30 but not 20/40 that is just one example.
PLO runs more often at Parx.

I'm not saying that parx is better than borgata, i could write a whole post about what the borgata does better, just saying it is not as simple for most as: lower rake and free drinks it's borgata time.

Most fish also have no idea about rake so don't worry there will be plenty of fish at both places.
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Old 08-18-2011, 11:39 PM   #5623
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The drinks here arent free and are in fact super expensive. The poker room doesnt have wifi. The rake is also 25% higher than all the casinos in Atlantic City.

The Borgata in AC has free drinks, wifi and lower rake. It is hands down the #1 cardroom on the east coast and it's not close. I wouldn't feel to good about that if I were Ari and parx management. My line of thought you should always aim to be the best. Maybe Parx should offer awesome benefits to players that play 100 hours + a month. We are spending freakin $1000+ a month at Parx. At least meet the standard accommodations in Atlantic City ,drinks, wifi, and 25% cash back so the cost to play poker is the same as Atlantic city. These improvements wouldnt cost you much money and would in fact make you more money because you'd increase your market share. You'd acquire your competitors customers and pretty much crush the other poker rooms. Get creative, treat super high volume regulars like kings, make Parx Poker the #1 poker room in the entire USA.
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Old 08-18-2011, 11:41 PM   #5624
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....The rake is also 25% higher than all the casinos in Atlantic City.
I don't know that this statement is true. I though i heard some rooms (Harrahs) were dropping $5 + 1 bad beat, or $4 + $2 for 2 different bad beats or something, don't feel like doing the research but i don't think your statement on this is 100% accurate.
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Old 08-18-2011, 11:50 PM   #5625
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Why anyone would come to the defense of a business that takes $100-$150 off a table for dealing cards to people is beyond me. Poker players are the most rip-offed people in the entire world. It's against the law for me to open a poker room, at say, Neshaminy Mall and charge $50 a month all you can play, baby. There is no free market. You'd should be paying Parx $20 at the front desk for as long as you want to stay. That's what you'd be paying if there was a free market.
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