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Old 07-25-2011, 10:00 PM   #5376
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Re: PARX Poker Thread -- FAQ updated 2011.06.21

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I would be interested in Playing a mid limit mix game but with my job and my kids it is really hard for me to get there...but if I am there and it is going
I will sit with you sharks and donate $1500 to your bankrolls
Just post here when you want to play or PM me and I'll make sure that we can play at least 3 handed to start. Friday or Saturday night for example?
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Old 07-25-2011, 11:17 PM   #5377
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I did read the article and I still don't agree with it. I was just referencing the section you decided to quote and pointing that I didn't agree with the logic of the argument. Tommy is arguing that because some people think it is bad etiquette to ask for freely available information, then it becomes information that isn't available to everyone because some people won't ask for it. The fact is, the information IS available to everyone, some people choose not to avail themselves of it, whether because the don't know they are entitled to it or because they feel it is bad etiquette to ask for it.........
The rule was instituted to prevent collusion, but what actually happens by a wide margin, it doesn't, it gets abused by jerks who think its a nice way for them to get free info. Its an abuse of the rule to do that, and since everyone doesn't abuse the rule, only lowlife jerks with no morals, its not information that is freely available to everyone, so its a low grade form of cheating/angle shooting; like soft playing your buddy.

And saying you don't think the rule was instituted to prevent collusion and you've never seen any evidence that it was doesn't make it so, it just makes you sound naive and obtuse.

One last thing, etiquette doesn't change because a few jerks are willing to ignore it. Etiquette is something we as a somewhat peaceful society develop over a very long time frame so that we can all co-exist without giving in to our baser instincts. As long as there are guys around that are willing to do something violent to you in retailation for disrespecting them, its probably a good idea to follow it; you really never know who that guy you just showed up is or what he's capable of, so why take the chance?


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So back to my original question: how does one prove collusion in a heads up pot if only the winner of the hand can ask to see the losing players cards? The players who folded before the showdown will never have their cards revealed and they should be mucked together with all other folded cards. If I suspect players A and B of collusion but only player C and A have a showdown(bc player B folded the turn due to him realizing player A actually had a hand) how do I go about detecting collusion?
If you suspect collusion, you are going to have evidence to point to, signaling, betting patterns, ect, Tell the floor, tell the shift manager, they'll call surveillance, if you're right they're going to see the same thing.

In my experience the few times its happened, that is what was done, and the situation was cleared up very quickly.
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Old 07-26-2011, 12:05 AM   #5378
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This is true. I just dont know how comfortable most folks are sitting w/ a wad of cashed stuffed down their pants on the night owl.

My experience w/ the night owl after living in philly for many many years is that its a bit of an experience to say the least. I'd recommend safer transportation if possible.
Do you really think the night owl is any less safe than the El? I've ridden the night owls for years too and I'd say the owls are probably a little safer than the El or subway because you're in contact with the driver on the bus.

Whether someone should be carrying a wad of cash on either the El, subway, or bus is a different story, but if someone's comfortable riding the El I wouldn't think the night owl is any less safe.
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Old 07-26-2011, 12:11 AM   #5379
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I like the rule, and I'd actually like to see it taken one step further.

The ratio of IWTSTH abuse/legit has to be at least 10:1.
I'd argue it's closer to 100:1. I like the rule too. I posted earlier in this thread that not long ago in a 4/8 limit game, a guy sat down and posted, called a raise and either the button or SB 3 bet, and he immediately starting making noise about collusion, asking "are you guys friends" and then demanding to see the other hand at showdown. After that he calmed down and basically played like a typical fish, but that kind of crap is ridiculous.

I forget which room it is, but I know I've played in a room where, at least at the limit I was playing, IWTSTH doesn't even exist unless you call the floor over, and I like that rule. I don't care who sees my hand as I always turn my cards up immediately at showdown, since I hate "showdown games," but anything that keeps the game moving is good in my book and getting rid of IWTSTH would probably help.
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Old 07-26-2011, 02:18 AM   #5380
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Would anybody know if parx has now hiring signs up or if they need dealers even with no experience?
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Old 07-26-2011, 09:06 AM   #5381
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Re: PARX Poker Thread -- FAQ updated 2011.06.21

Hey all, please do me a favor and take any generalized IWTSTH discussion to the following thread:

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/27...iwtsth-755937/

Read the thread before posting in it though. There's a ton of good information in there already.
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Old 07-26-2011, 10:28 PM   #5382
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Re: PARX Poker Thread -- FAQ updated 2011.06.21

I see a 50/100 mix game is running now (or when I last checked online). Anyone know the mix of games? Full table, or shorthanded? Going to be standard Tues night game?


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Old 07-26-2011, 11:16 PM   #5383
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I see a 50/100 mix game is running now (or when I last checked online). Anyone know the mix of games? Full table, or shorthanded? Going to be standard Tues night game?


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Old 07-26-2011, 11:20 PM   #5384
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Nice.
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Old 07-26-2011, 11:24 PM   #5385
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Re: PARX Poker Thread -- FAQ updated 2011.06.21

I don't get why the Parx Open Poker Classic only has one form of poker during their 2 weeks of tourneys, only NLHE that makes me sad. How about a HORSE, OE, Limit Hold 'Em, Stud, HOSE, O8, or literally anything other than all NLHE. I can't wait for the day when people start realizing how boring and simple NLHE is when compared to any other form of poker.
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Old 07-27-2011, 12:50 AM   #5386
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I don't get why the Parx Open Poker Classic only has one form of poker during their 2 weeks of tourneys, only NLHE that makes me sad. How about a HORSE, OE, Limit Hold 'Em, Stud, HOSE, O8, or literally anything other than all NLHE. I can't wait for the day when people start realizing how boring and simple NLHE is when compared to any other form of poker.
200+30 limit holdem, 20k guaranteed, Wed 17th.

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Old 07-27-2011, 08:38 AM   #5387
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I can't wait for the day when people start realizing how boring and simple NLHE is when compared to any other form of poker.
I've been waiting since 02'-03' and it hasn't happened yet.

Plain and simple, NLHE cash games essentially killed off all other forms of live poker.
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Old 07-27-2011, 08:43 AM   #5388
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The other alternative will be once Parx gets $10 chips to petition Ari to allow a 10/20 OE or 10/20 Mix game to run. I can see why they wouldn't do this for Limit Holdem, but it makes sense for non-holdem games.
I'd recommend 10/20 HOSE. The 6/12 game is fun, but it gets a little boring waiting every half hour for the games to switch. With HOSE you'd get to switch games every 9 hands. Maybe utilize the out button for the stud games ? You also wouldn't have to wait for $10 chips to be approved...
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Old 07-27-2011, 10:25 AM   #5389
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Re: PARX Poker Thread -- FAQ updated 2011.06.21

How many played the tourney last night?
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Old 07-27-2011, 10:32 AM   #5390
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How many played the tourney last night?
384 w/ $7k up top
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Old 07-27-2011, 10:36 AM   #5391
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384 w/ $7k up top
That's nuts. I think they're going to have to up the buy in or make it a 2 day event soon!
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Old 07-27-2011, 11:14 AM   #5392
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That's nuts. I think they're going to have to up the buy in or make it a 2 day event soon!
I was there two weeks ago and there were 310+, but by midnight they were down to 30 or so. With the blind structure it's really just more tables when you think about it.
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Old 07-27-2011, 11:38 AM   #5393
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Thinking about heading down to PARX this weekend for the first time. Anyone have any suggestions about the best way of getting from downtown Manhattan to PARX casino? I'm assuming bus in the best way to go. Thank you in advance.
Check with the casino itself. There are always a huge amount of buses coming straight from NYC Chinatown to Parx and Parx East (where the poker room is).
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Old 07-27-2011, 12:05 PM   #5394
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I noticed yesterday that some of the people who were involved in the Borgata sport booking crime were playing at Parx. They were banned from all Atlantic City casinos and also recently at Harrah's Chester. I'm not sure if the ban at Harrah's Chester was a casino decision or a Pennsyvlania gaming commision decision. I notice that they either don't have a Parx card and/or never are swiped in the Bravo system. This make me believe that are trying to fly under the radar. Just wanted to alert Parx upper management because I know they occasionally visit this thread.
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Old 07-27-2011, 12:05 PM   #5395
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Re: PARX Poker Thread -- FAQ updated 2011.06.21

yea up that tuesday buyin to $200 imo.
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Old 07-27-2011, 12:41 PM   #5396
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I noticed yesterday that some of the people who were involved in the Borgata sport booking crime were playing at Parx. They were banned from all Atlantic City casinos and also recently at Harrah's Chester. I'm not sure if the ban at Harrah's Chester was a casino decision or a Pennsyvlania gaming commision decision. I notice that they either don't have a Parx card and/or never are swiped in the Bravo system. This make me believe that are trying to fly under the radar. Just wanted to alert Parx upper management because I know they occasionally visit this thread.
I take it you don't play 5/10 or 10/25? Why would you feel the need to post this?
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Old 07-27-2011, 12:42 PM   #5397
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That's nuts. I think they're going to have to up the buy in or make it a 2 day event soon!
Or run tourneys Tue/Thu/Sat
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Old 07-27-2011, 01:32 PM   #5398
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Do you really think the night owl is any less safe than the El? I've ridden the night owls for years too and I'd say the owls are probably a little safer than the El or subway because you're in contact with the driver on the bus.

Whether someone should be carrying a wad of cash on either the El, subway, or bus is a different story, but if someone's comfortable riding the El I wouldn't think the night owl is any less safe.
I really have no faith the bus driver can do anything for you if robbed/accosted. really, is any public transportation the safest? probably not? I've seen everything on both the el/broad St lines to te night owl, whenther it's a 16 yr old kid who accidentally flashed a piece to obnoxious psychotics who won't leave someone alone and want to chat about the government and conspiracy theories while concurrently pissing themselves, however, I'd say the opportunity of having an issue is less likely on a more crowded subway vs the late night bus.
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Old 07-27-2011, 02:20 PM   #5399
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I noticed yesterday that some of the people who were involved in the Borgata sport booking crime were playing at Parx. They were banned from all Atlantic City casinos and also recently at Harrah's Chester. I'm not sure if the ban at Harrah's Chester was a casino decision or a Pennsyvlania gaming commision decision. I notice that they either don't have a Parx card and/or never are swiped in the Bravo system. This make me believe that are trying to fly under the radar. Just wanted to alert Parx upper management because I know they occasionally visit this thread.
Which games were these guys playing, and what time was this at?
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Old 07-27-2011, 02:33 PM   #5400
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Or run tourneys Tue/Thu/Sat
+1

400 player mid-buyin tourneys must juice up the 1/2 games somethin fierce. I would assume Parx will eventually have at least a tourney per day. PLO tourney? A Monday morning old guys tourney? Definitely need a Saturday noon tourney.
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