I feel like it would also confuse recreational players.

You'd also run into the problem of having it be at each player's option (unless we're making it mandatory which seems crazy) and regs may only run it twice with certain people, etc.

I disagree about the bankroll and highly encourage people to play well outside of their means.

Three straddles last night. Three 5-bet caps. AK, AK, AQ. Whiff whiff whiff. **** straddles.

Can a 1-3 nlh game with a 500 max buy in be created that have both UTG and button straddles, with button straddle taking precedent?


I think that would be an awesome addition and should be pushed for...

anyone agree?

30/60 HOE today

Mississippi straddles?? Calm down buddy. They just got approved for utg straddles... So enjoy it. Mississippi straddles are not going to be fun for you if the right person, who knows how to take advantage of them, start torturing you.

Too big as an entry level game, IMO. The idea is to build the game up, like the way NL caught on after the addition of buy in caps and Moneymaker. I know its a long way off, but it would be nice to have PLO become a 24/7 game as well.

That won't happen if you start adding straddles and juicing up the small game and breaking all the new players too fast.

2/5 and above I'm all for the UTG straddle. I don't like the button straddle at all, its bad for the game, IMO.

He's not asking for a change he's asking for having it in addition to 1/2 and 2/5. Like how Chester has a 1/2/4 with a $400 max. More game levels spread is good. All these peole talking about why 2/5 having $1000 max is bad don't understand that without the $200 min $1,000 max structure, 2/5 isn't as good of a bridge between 1/2 and 5/10.

Man I totally misread that, I should not post on 2p2 on less than 4hours sleep, please ignore me today.

i smoke pall mall...i can spend those comps for you


...as for straddles... I just think its pointless for 1/2. It is going to have an effect on rec players for sure. With all the chatter on this site about making fish feel welcome, implimentation of straddles (@ 1/2) seems to be counterproductive IMHO.

As discussed earlier in thread, the action junkies need to be patient. Theres plenty of money to be made @ parx 1/2.

Not with 200 bb's Make the 2/5 and 5/10 100 bb's
Then you will not have to create a game as a bridge.


Yes you can buy-in for 100 bb's but the whole table dynamic's are askew with the deeper stack's.Or try running a 100 bb 2/5 game to see if the intrest is there.I may be in the minority here but now there is a large gap from 1/2 to 2/5

I'm hoping they offer 2/5 $500 max someday at Parx..I also am hoping they make their urinals/toilets automatic flush.

you know how sometimes you go into bathrooms and they smell like hospital strength disinfectant? Like someone sprayed a bunch of industrial strength lysol?

...yeah, i do not smell that....but it would be welcome. I was there sunday though, could have been a disinfectant off day.

as for flushing..i use the bottom of my beer cup at urinals. I use my foot to pick up toilet seat in stall and flush.

What about leaving the straddles out of the 1-2 game, but then adding the 1-3 game that have both 500 max an utg and button straddles, with the button taking precedent?


This solves a lot of problems...people who want 2-5, 500max can now just play the 1-3 game...the game is deep enough for optional straddles...and there is a proper bridge of stakes...also people who dont like straddles can stay at 1-2.

you would have the traditional 1-2 300max, the 1-3 500max, the 2-5 1000max and then the big 5-10 game


...and then hopefully a 1-3 500max plo hilo game...a great game.

I dread using the facilities in the poker room, specifically the urinal area. The odor of piss is even to much for me at times.

I hold it as long as i can. Until sometimes i am almost shaking. The bathrooms are the most disgusting bathrooms i have ever seen. (and i went to wvu and used porto pottys on occasion at tailgaits for home football games) parking lot almost fixed.. Smoking not a problem... Purell on the walls... Ari this might be the last thing needing fixed. I rarely complain but since it been brought up... The restrooms need serious work! I wouldnt clean the bathroom the way it was saturday night for 1k an hour

Its not that i dont like straddle. I just think that straddles and any "business" that can be done shoul b reserved for limits higher than the "rookie" levels.

technical play serves no purpose but intimidation of new players, which are the ones we want around. Let them learn comfortably....in no time, after lucking into some good sessions, theyll be chomping at a bit to get to the "big boys". Thats your hook people.You kno this....Noob makes money (early in his learning curve), moves up, busto. "damm, i almost did it, i cant go out like that...this game is awesome...i can beat these donks!!!"

....fishy hooked....you got at least 6 more months of hi trying to beat the donks while not realizing who the the donk really is.....does noone remember Rounders?

Cards in the air.

Have you ever been to an Eagles game at Veterans Stadium? Until they get that bad, I'm fine with it

I have. And i have to disagree.... When the smell of urine burns your nose... Its pretty bad

I agree ....The raises at 1/2 in relation to the blinds and your stack are already inflated the straddle just makes it worse.The lone plus to this is most 3 bets are so small that they price you in.

I am a nit yet I love straddles being allowed in a room because when you have bad players, you want them to get even more money in bad, don't you?

maybe we should stage a protest - gather up everyone and each drink a 6 pack of yuengling and find the managers car and leave him a present

Im sure ari will fix it... But the custodians car im ok with

On a side note... Should be in tonight around 8 for some PLO.... See all you sickos then

So let me get this straight, talking about straddles at 1/2 you can limp for $2 but $4 and its too much ? I understand with straddles the pots will naturally be larger, But the risk preflop is virtually the same as far as starting hand ranges. I just don't think at this level it's an issue.

This is poker people.... I've seen people make it $25 pf @ 1/2, if you dont like your hand than fold. If 1/2 is too "big" for you, don't play, or even better continue to buy in for $60 over and over and over.....

Leave the straddles alone, I'm thrilled Ari and his group got then in and in such a quick turnaround semmingly based on OUR input alone

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for keeping the bad / inexperienced players at the table, but I highly doubt the extra $2 is going to discourage them from playing.

My .02