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Old 06-08-2011, 07:53 PM   #4726
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Let me expand upon a couple of the negatives I posted since two word comments don't really say much.

1- ****ty comps.

I've generally only played in Vegas and AC so I can't compare to other local casinos. I play mainly 2/5nl. The majority of my play has been Borgata (east coast at $2/hr) and the Venetian (west coast at $1.5 hr) . Parx is at $1, it's something but on the low end and definitely below average. So maybe instead of ****ty I should have below average. There is no extras either, no free buffets or free drinks or anything really, at least not at 2/5. Freeroll is good though I guess.

3-High rake

Listen, I get that they have higher taxes or whatever so $5 it is. But that doesn't change the fact that it is indeed high. $1 at every $10 is rough. When Harrahs announced $5 max in vegas everyone talking about what a rip off it was and how high the rake was, has something changed?

2- Security issues.

Maybe it was just a bad week. But just this week I've seen two instances inside the room that were bothersome...
- after a little fight and some arguing between players where the floor was called. The dude who got busted swiped some chips from the winners stack before he left. Nobody noticed at the table, but some from other tables noticed and pointed it out. They caught the dude and got most of the money back, maybe $25 short I heard from players close to the table, but they said they couldn't search the thief. Here is where my problem comes in.... The dude who stole the money was playing the next night at Parx!
-maybe the same night somebodies cell phone got swiped from a table. After many unanswered attempts trying to call the phone the person responded by text asking for a reward. Little while later they called it again and heard it ringing in some guys poker at the circle bar. They confronted him, got the phone back and security had to come over the prevent a fight. Then the guy who stole the grabbed the phone was allowed to stay! I kept an eye on him the rest of the night. Here is the biggest problem... he wasn't even playing, he just sat around the poker tables watching! He was dressed like a scumbag too. Probably just looking for stuff to take.


-not really security issue but somewhat unsightly is the (mainly) chinese people sleeping in the lobby late at night. Curtain off a room or something for them to sleep in, some look homeless for gods sake.
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Old 06-08-2011, 08:53 PM   #4727
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Pretty disappointed with all these NL tourneys. Would have been great to throw a HOSE in there, but at least there's one LHE.
What is with all the two day events? Are they really expecting the fields to be that big? And is there any place to stay in the area?
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Old 06-08-2011, 09:28 PM   #4728
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zrap...yeah i agree with everything you said but people on here are just too extreme...like saying "high rake" is extreme to me. AC was 4 bucks plus 1 for bad beat (i know borgata was timed which i think is better - but there is debate on that). Los Angeles is $6 even if you win a pot preflop at the $5/$10 games. So I don't see how $5 is high...seems standard to me and i'm happy there's no bad beat.

btw for anyone who is new, here is a pic of the parking lot when i step outside...you can see all the lighting and there are no alleys or anything people can get caught in...there is also a lot of lighting coming from the main building itself...not so much on the poker building but it looks like they are putting some sort of sign up...the security guard in a white SUV with flashing yellow lights passed me twice by the time i got to my car.



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Old 06-08-2011, 11:02 PM   #4729
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Quick trip report. Driving past this afternoon and decided to finally scope the room. Huge parking lot. Horses weren't running so don't know how the parking is affected. Large handicap lot in front of the East building. No valet, only for the main building. Believe a shuttlebus is available to get back and forth. Parked relatively close on this steamy day.

First: Didn't have a player's card. Had input information online at the Parx website. Expected an easy walk up to the desk. Didn't happen. Program not working. In addition, three buses arrived just before, and was relegated to the back of the line. About half an hour later got the credential with a $10 slots credit. Whoopee. Need to update the website with a map of PARX EAST unless missed it.

Went up the elevator to the poker room - three stories - to get to the desk to sign up - smooth. Desk took name and input game preferences. Called after a few minutes. No one offered to say there is a comp rate of $1 for all games.

Room Impression: Open 7 months. Large with plenty of room between tables. Chips and felt in good repair. Chairs acceptable. In fact saw workers refelting tables. A bit cavernous. A higher limit area near the back. Cage well placed. Chip runners available. Floor personnel seemed attentive and in abundance for about 18 tables running. Enough TV's for the sports enthusiast. Background music 70's and 80's not real loud.

Dealers were excellent. New player has card swiped into the Bravo system. Kept the game moving. They are incentivized by being able to keep their tips. 30 minutes and quick replacement. Regs knew all of the dealers. Will be hard to beat the rake except 15/30 LHE timed at $6 for 1/2 hour standard.

Waitress service was sporadic, but wasn't there for a long time.

Would give the room a Strong B rating. Will be in good position to hold more tournaments in the future. Upcoming Series will determine how well they perform. Expect an outstanding result.


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Old 06-08-2011, 11:19 PM   #4730
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Nice TR, just to give you a heads up 15/30 and up are $2 an hour comped.
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Old 06-09-2011, 12:53 AM   #4731
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If they dropped the rake to 4 max then this room would be the best poker room on the east coast. 5$ rake is high and if they add a bbj I wont play there anymore.
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Old 06-09-2011, 02:06 AM   #4732
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Parx parking lot feels much safer to me than any AC garage or Harrah's Chester garage. It's a completely open field with nowhere for people to hide behind. The rake seems standard to me, even better than other PA casinos because thankfully there is no BBJ. I agree there could be better food though.
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Old 06-09-2011, 07:11 AM   #4733
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and if they add a bbj I wont play there anymore.
Ari already said on here that there will never be a BBJ at Parx as long as he is the room manager.
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Old 06-09-2011, 08:46 AM   #4734
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I talked to Ari the other day, really a nice guy and open to all ideas. We discussed getting clocked out of bravo when you run to the bathroom. I suggested getting clocked out only when you miss your big blind, he agreed so Id expect that change quickly. I also talked about time vs rake at 2/5 and he said most players like rake better... He knows more than I do, so that's fine. I said well if we are paying as much as 5/10NL can we get $2 comp?.... Well it seems we will most likely get bumped up to 1.50, not perfect but not bad either.
Btw, those complaining about the extra dollar rake.... If you play 3 times a month it doesn't affect you too much, if you play 50 hours a month+ you get a free roll with an ev of about $.80 an hour with no promo drop.... Not too shabby!
Finally, Ari is also working on upper mgmt to offer "rake back" in the form of cash like what borgata is doing this month.
Finally #2, I played borgata yesterday, it was farking freezing! I will not go back this summer as I was told they can't make it any warmer... I had a sweatshirt on with the hood and was LITTERALLY shivering.
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Old 06-09-2011, 09:29 AM   #4735
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Truth, since first opening they boosted the light output to much more than your mall parking lot, and I have never left without seeing a security truck if not two patrolling the parking lot. The reception area is almost always manned with people working the desk selling bus tickets and people coming in and out even at 4am. No one has been mugged or attempted muggings in the eight months of playing cards, please stop making it sound like Bartertown.
I seriously can't help but feel the people complaining about this have never been to other casinos. Hell the outside parking at Borgata is WAY darker and just as distant (not complaining about it, just comparing), and I have never seen a security truck patrolling it.

The security topic is really ridiculous. Sure something can happen, as it can anywhere and at any time.

For God sakes, Parx Poker room has been open for about 8 months. Just how many incidents have been reported? Please omit children left in car incidents.

Enough already.

We are far more likely to catch some illness or disease or something with all those disgusting chips and sick folks playing cards than we are at getting robbed in the parking lot.

I'd rather see hand sanitizer dispensers installed around the poker room than to see enough lighting installed in the parking lot to host a baseball game.
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Old 06-09-2011, 10:03 AM   #4736
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30/60 HOE went strong from about 4pm - 1am. Wednesday is the day going forward so if interested come on down next Wednesday.
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Old 06-09-2011, 10:35 AM   #4737
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I talked to Ari the other day, really a nice guy and open to all ideas. We discussed getting clocked out of bravo when you run to the bathroom. I suggested getting clocked out only when you miss your big blind, he agreed so Id expect that change quickly. I also talked about time vs rake at 2/5 and he said most players like rake better... He knows more than I do, so that's fine. I said well if we are paying as much as 5/10NL can we get $2 comp?.... Well it seems we will most likely get bumped up to 1.50, not perfect but not bad either.
Btw, those complaining about the extra dollar rake.... If you play 3 times a month it doesn't affect you too much, if you play 50 hours a month+ you get a free roll with an ev of about $.80 an hour with no promo drop.... Not too shabby!
Finally, Ari is also working on upper mgmt to offer "rake back" in the form of cash like what borgata is doing this month.
Finally #2, I played borgata yesterday, it was farking freezing! I will not go back this summer as I was told they can't make it any warmer... I had a sweatshirt on with the hood and was LITTERALLY shivering.

Rakeback sounds awesome. I'd much rather the option to get that then the free roll.
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Old 06-09-2011, 12:58 PM   #4738
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zrap...yeah i agree with everything you said but people on here are just too extreme...like saying "high rake" is extreme to me. AC was 4 bucks plus 1 for bad beat (i know borgata was timed which i think is better - but there is debate on that). Los Angeles is $6 even if you win a pot preflop at the $5/$10 games. So I don't see how $5 is high...seems standard to me and i'm happy there's no bad beat.

btw for anyone who is new, here is a pic of the parking lot when i step outside...you can see all the lighting and there are no alleys or anything people can get caught in...there is also a lot of lighting coming from the main building itself...not so much on the poker building but it looks like they are putting some sort of sign up...the security guard in a white SUV with flashing yellow lights passed me twice by the time i got to my car.



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Lol cool pic. My car is usually in the front row past all the handicap.

What was up with 1/2 nl overnight Tues into Wed? like nobody was there. Only a few tables and I played short most of the night.

Oh and by the way to the guy that said "girls do not read 2+2" please. LOL I'm a poker player not just a gender...so if you play 1/2 or decide to "drop down" if you play higher...i promise to say hello. LOL

I ended up leaving yesterday morning for what was to be a round trip home...laid down and went to sleep. If anyone was there then you know who I am. LOL I slept all day and all night. LOL UGH I'll be back in an hour though to get my chips from the cage. LOL
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Old 06-09-2011, 12:59 PM   #4739
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Oh and by short I meant short handed. That did remind me though of the guy that said "ask anyone here i'm the best short stacked player out there" OMG I about died!!!! The whole table did. Twas a great hilarious line.
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Old 06-09-2011, 01:00 PM   #4740
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nummy were you the girl at the table talking about going to the beach with all the fatties wearing your bikini?
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Old 06-09-2011, 01:07 PM   #4741
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LOL nooooo but i was the one who's bikini pic was showed on someone's phone. I was at table 42 Tuesday before it broke for the tournament and then I was at 37...after that they just kept breaking up and I as passed around like a joint. LOL

Oh but I was the girl that did the dance around the table and hugged the guy because we both were all in for a full stack buy in and had the same hand. I thought I was beat and so did he. LOL

actually he and I both danced and hugged. Was a fun moment

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Old 06-09-2011, 01:32 PM   #4742
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Were you at 42 all day Tuesday? If so I was the guy who caught on a flush against your set and then lost qq and kk to you (so I guess we're even, hah)
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Old 06-09-2011, 01:37 PM   #4743
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Lol cool pic. My car is usually in the front row past all the handicap.

What was up with 1/2 nl overnight Tues into Wed? like nobody was there. Only a few tables and I played short most of the night.

Oh and by the way to the guy that said "girls do not read 2+2" please. LOL I'm a poker player not just a gender...so if you play 1/2 or decide to "drop down" if you play higher...i promise to say hello. LOL

I ended up leaving yesterday morning for what was to be a round trip home...laid down and went to sleep. If anyone was there then you know who I am. LOL I slept all day and all night. LOL UGH I'll be back in an hour though to get my chips from the cage. LOL
I think your sarcasm detector is broken.
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Old 06-09-2011, 01:37 PM   #4744
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Did I fold that set? if not that is not like me but I probably showed...if i called I wasn't paying attention....wait...does your name start with a C? Did you see the miracle I pulled out of my butt when I was all in the last hand before the table broke? I think I got there about 3pm or so and was at 42 till 7 or whenever they broke down our table
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Old 06-09-2011, 01:39 PM   #4745
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Oh if you got there about 3 it wasn't you then since that's about when I left
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Old 06-09-2011, 01:41 PM   #4746
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I really don't know what time. I am black...5ft, had on white shorts and a grey shirt. Usually don't talk much But sometimes I will talk too much ha ha ha
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Old 06-09-2011, 02:13 PM   #4747
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Rakeback is a sick idea. I think the best system is to have a minimum hours played in order to be eligible (say 40-60 hours a month). Or make it tiered like Poker Stars. This is how you'd get loyalty from the regs.

I am a 2/5 reg at Chester and Parx and I'd say I am one of many regs who splits time between the two casinos. Rakeback is a much better way to convince me to shift all my play to Parx than some free roll I have no interest in playing.
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Old 06-09-2011, 02:26 PM   #4748
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I like the RB idea but how's that going to work? Lol I mean I log a lot of hours and the 5 dollar rake at 1/2 is huh already.
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Old 06-09-2011, 02:37 PM   #4749
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I played at Parx for the first time this past weekend and thought I would convey some impressions. I would classify myself as a recreational/vacation player. I play almost exclusively 2/5, make 2 to 4 trips a year, and play for between 20 and 35 hours per trip. The vast majority of my play has been at Borgata, but I have played also at Taj, Trop, DP and Chester on the East Coast, plus various casinos in Florida and Vegas. Because of some issues with Borgata, I decided last summer to begin mixing other casinos into my trips.

Overall, I would rate Parx very high, with one handicap that may impact my future play that I discuss below. On the very positive side, the poker room staff to me was the most helpful and friendly I have encountered anywhere. I like to table select, and every request for a change was fulfilled quickly. One time where it had been a little while, a floor person came by unprompted to check-in and let me know they had not forgotten. I asked a number of question regarding handling of comps, breaks, restaurant options, etc., and each time the person responding was positive and encouraging. This customer service mentality to a non-regular is an advantage in my view over the Borgata. From my observation, at the Borgata regulars receive very good treatment and some staff treats non-regulars quite well. However, a substantial number of the floor staff seems to view non-regular players as an inconvenience to be dealt with rather than a customer to be valued.

For a traveling player who does not wish to pay Friday and Saturday room rates (even poker rates) at Borgata, Parx nearby hotels and restaurants offer better selection and value than AC choices. In AC, I usually stay in Absecon, which is not bad, but can become expensive for even a low 2-star quality. For my trip to Parx, Hotwire had a 3-star for Thursday, Friday and Saturday for a total of $195.21. Turned out to be a very nice Radisson within 5 minutes of Parx. A number of other solid hotel choices are even closer. Food options just outside of Parx cover the complete gamut of suburban chains, including an Applebees in Parx own parking lot. .

For a 2/5 player, one of Parx’ primary advantages over Chester, DP, Dover and some of the other PA/DE casinos seems to be the number of 2/5 games running on the weekends. Except for early in the morning, 4 or more games seemed pretty consistent, allowing one to move to hunt better action.

Food choices at Parx East are limited, but the walk to the main casino really is not very far. I found it comparable to the walk from the parking garage at Borgata to the poker room, only it is outside. Perfectly safe sidewalk with many people around. I used $16 of comps at a restaurant in the main building for a very good gourmet burger and crab bisque. I had no problem with the parking locations, but also chose to park just past the handicap lot.

Dealers, chips, chairs, tables, etc. all seemed comparable to Borgata to me. I do prefer Parx’s Paulson chips to Borgata’s metallic, but realistically the difference is inconsequential.

The one handicap though that I keep coming back to in reviewing the trip may end up being a significant one. I thought the action I observed at 2/5 was somewhat tighter than I am use to seeing at Borgata. This of course may simply be a sample set error, but my suspicion is the cause is directly linked to the lack of free alcoholic drinks. The players did not seem better than Borgata players, and I saw a number of faces I recognized that play at Borgata. The metrics I tend to watch most closely are the frequency blinds are chopped, the frequency a player makes a 4-5x raise and takes the pot down preflop, and the number of high bet bluffs I observe called. Over 18 hours, sampling about 6 different tables, I would say at 5 of them I saw more blind-chops, more raise it/take its, and fewer called high bluffs than I expected in light of the particular player characteristics at those tables. I believe I saw only a single high bluff being called.

My working thesis on the handicap due to lack of free alcohol is the following: (1) customers consume more of any product, including alcohol, when they do not have to pay for it compared to when they do have to pay for it, (2) alcohol, even in small quantities, reduces inhibitions, (3) reduced inhibitions at a poker table lead to more frequent calls. If one assumes that the distribution of player talent walking in the door at Parx roughly equals the distribution of player talent walking in the door at Borgata, any decrease in average alcohol consumption at Parx will lead to some increase in tightness of the game as compared to Borgata. While some adjustments can be made to target the relative increased tightness, at least with my playing style, I find that a looser game with more calls improves my expected outcome. I suspect, though cannot prove, that many better players would concur.

This leaves a bit of a quandary when deciding where to go for future trips. I enjoyed Parx more, and feel I am better treated as a customer. But I know my overall enjoyment of these trips inevitably gets impacted to some extent by results. I would be very curious how other players who play both at Parx and Borgata view this. As I said above, this may just be a small, skewed sample set. But if others concur with this observation, I think it poses a real problem for Parx achieving the goal of approaching parity with, or even surpassing Borgata, at least with respect to 2/5 players. It may or may not be an issue with 1/2, or above 2/5, I lack the experience with these games to know. Changing the policy to give free drinks would of course solve the issue, but I understand that even if the poker room advocates such a change, Parx corporate may not consider the revenue loss worth it. Thoughts?
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Old 06-09-2011, 08:43 PM   #4750
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Pretty disappointed with all these NL tourneys. Would have been great to throw a HOSE in there, but at least there's one LHE.
Next time, I promise. In order to offer a mixed game (which u know I love) we need to run two events that day, and at this point we don't have the capacity.
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