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Originally Posted by mixn123
However, it is my belief that the extra card was found in the new deck as the dealer pulled it out of the shuffler.
I tend to think the hand in question was played with one less card.
One card must have been left behind in the shuffler and the dealer didn't realize it until she pulled out the newly shuffled deck for the next hand which had a card from the other deck in it.
How the dealer didn't notice a card left behind or the shuffler not showing a count error is still the mystery.
I do not believe any player played any part of this, so I don't think there was cheating or something scandalous occurring.
I don't think the loser of the hand should be SOL if the dealer or shuffler contributed to the error. As well I don't think the winner of a fully ended hand should have to refund his winnings after the fact.
The Casino should have taken the $100 hit, everyone would be happy and this just goes away.
Whether the casino wants to pay someone $100 is between that person and the casino (I certainly wouldn't blame that person for making a case, but it's really none of my business, and it's pretty rare for casinos to pay money in these cases). What I'm talking about is what ruling should be (based on standard rules of poker).
No one knew there was a problem with the deck during the hand - that's because the card with the different color back didn't appear during the hand. Another thing that would invalidate the hand is two cards of the exact same rank/suit are noticed during the hand. That also didn't occur. No one knew the deck was imperfect, no one knew which card was missing (if indeed one was), etc. It didn't the play of the hand. No one is entitled to a refund by rule.
However, I do agree this is a bad dealer error and if the casino wants to do something to make it right for the losing player, that would be a nice thing to do. But I feel like there is no way it's correct to force the winner of the hand to give the money back. What if you're playing and it's discovered an hour in that the deck is missing the Jc (instead there are two Jh). The hand it's discovered would be declared void - however, they aren't going to go back and invalidate previous hands - no one knew the deck is foul and all prior results stand.
I actually have had something similar happen to me years ago in a 30-60 game - I was getting CRUSHED and won a big pot - however, someone pointed out that the third burn card was a different color (the decks used were WAY too close in color to each other, which is how it was missed). Since that card appeared in the hand, it was declared void and all bets returned. I was disgusted because of my luck, but I accepted it. However, if on the next hand, it was discovered that one of the wrong cards was there, it would not invalidate the results of the hand. So yeah, there is my tangent for the day.
Jeff