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Old 02-16-2011, 05:10 PM   #3426
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Apologies if this has been covered already, but will $10 chips be used anytime soon?

A few friends are interested in getting 40/80 games running. Thanks
Cool, I'd be interested. But yes, I don't think the plan is to spread 40/80. 30/60 has been picking up steam, and will be even better once we get $10 chips, which are in the works. Perhaps 60/120 would be the next level, but for that we'd ideally want $20 chips. (Another option would be 75/150 with greens, but that is quite a jump over 30/60.)

In the meantime, if you want to try bigger than 30/60, I think Ari would at least temporarily agree to spread 50/100, although I don't particularly love the 2 chip/4 chip structure.
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Old 02-16-2011, 05:13 PM   #3427
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we need to start providing a custom insult every time someone is forced to post this link: http://www.taeyeonkim.com/parx/index.php?game=nl510
too bad it doesn't show 10/25, which is part of what he was asking by saing 5/10+
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Old 02-16-2011, 05:14 PM   #3428
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I'm with you and quite sad that 8-16 is often on life support. I find it less enjoyable to play when you are always thinking about the game breaking.
15-30 is a great game, but I'm not quite yet rolled to play it on a consistent basis. 4-8 is a tad too low.
Ari, what is the management's viewpoint on this?
I love the 8-16, but realize that it struggles some days.
Perhaps one reason 8/16 is hurting is the time charge. $5 is the standard charge for a 10/20 game...it's irksome to pay the same charge for a smaller game. I've always thought the time charge for that game should be $4...works much better and saves time with the $2 chips too. So a suggestion to Ari for promoting 8/16 would be to adjust the time charge to $4!
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Old 02-16-2011, 06:15 PM   #3429
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Perhaps one reason 8/16 is hurting is the time charge. $5 is the standard charge for a 10/20 game...it's irksome to pay the same charge for a smaller game. I've always thought the time charge for that game should be $4...works much better and saves time with the $2 chips too. So a suggestion to Ari for promoting 8/16 would be to adjust the time charge to $4!
As well for the 4-8 games. Factor in tips and you are siphoning out at least $150/hr from the table where people are buying in $100-300. That is a fish/hr.
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Old 02-16-2011, 10:44 PM   #3430
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I'm with you and quite sad that 8-16 is often on life support. I find it less enjoyable to play when you are always thinking about the game breaking.
15-30 is a great game, but I'm not quite yet rolled to play it on a consistent basis. 4-8 is a tad too low.
Ari, what is the management's viewpoint on this?
I love the 8-16, but realize that it struggles some days.
I agree that the 8-16 has had its struggles, but I believe that is because the pool of 15-30 and 8-16 is not that big yet. As I plan the year of promotions the mid-limit limit games are on our radar. I do appreciate the continued support of this game.
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Old 02-16-2011, 10:48 PM   #3431
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Cool, I'd be interested. But yes, I don't think the plan is to spread 40/80. 30/60 has been picking up steam, and will be even better once we get $10 chips, which are in the works. Perhaps 60/120 would be the next level, but for that we'd ideally want $20 chips. (Another option would be 75/150 with greens, but that is quite a jump over 30/60.)

In the meantime, if you want to try bigger than 30/60, I think Ari would at least temporarily agree to spread 50/100, although I don't particularly love the 2 chip/4 chip structure.
I think that 50-100 would work out great, I remember when the game legs in years past.
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Old 02-16-2011, 11:04 PM   #3432
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Any possibility of posting tourney structure and pay table please Ari?

Your doing great btw...thank you
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Old 02-16-2011, 11:11 PM   #3433
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Any possibility of posting tourney structure and pay table please Ari?

Your doing great btw...thank you
Yes, I will post the payouts sometime tomorrow. We are paying the top 100!!!!!
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Old 02-16-2011, 11:18 PM   #3434
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ok thanks...is there anyway you can drop the qualifying hours down a little? 60 hours in 30 days at the beginning of the golf season ( I Caddie) might be a little tight. May going forward I'm good. Not a big deal if it can't be lowered...I'll try anyway


[edit] Top 100 is superb!! Looking forward to it for sure.

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Old 02-16-2011, 11:50 PM   #3435
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^^ Golf season or not. Many of us have regular M-F, 9-5 type jobs. That leaves us predominately weekends for poker play. There are other demands on our time, too. Since there are 5 weekends in April, at 8 hours/weekend, that leaves most of us at least 20 hours short.

I'm not complaining, rather just illustrating that there will be a lot of folks that don't make the cut (to put it in golf-speak ) for this event. That said, if they are paying 100 spots, I'm assuming that there will be more enough degenerates qualifying.
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Old 02-17-2011, 12:00 AM   #3436
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Perhaps one reason 8/16 is hurting is the time charge. $5 is the standard charge for a 10/20 game...it's irksome to pay the same charge for a smaller game. I've always thought the time charge for that game should be $4...works much better and saves time with the $2 chips too. So a suggestion to Ari for promoting 8/16 would be to adjust the time charge to $4!
I am over the fact that PA poker costs more than other places. IIWII.

Other games have a similar "upcharge" and if you compare 15-30 to Vegas, where they pot rake it at $4 max - then you'd feel that the PA time charge is outrageous... which, honestly, it is. Yet, the games goes everyday here.

Until such time as people stop lining up to to pay the rake in PA, this will never change.

Actually, at 4-8, the same amount of money is going off the table as in other states. Their rake may be $4, but they also take $1 for the BBJ.

The original cast of 8-16 players asked for the time charge vs. rake. This was a money loss for the house, so I doubt that they'd drop the time charge to $4. Although, 80% of something is better than 100% of nothing, if the game can't keep going.
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Old 02-17-2011, 12:03 AM   #3437
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As well for the 4-8 games. Factor in tips and you are siphoning out at least $150/hr from the table where people are buying in $100-300. That is a fish/hr.
This is no different from other rooms that charge $4 rake + $1 BBJ + tips.

In fact, the 4-8 game may be the best bargain in the house, rake wise.
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Old 02-17-2011, 12:12 AM   #3438
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1) Since there are 5 weekends in April, at 8 hours/weekend,

2) I'm assuming that there will be more enough degenerates qualifying.
1) Glad you mentioned the 5 weekends. I figure if i can get two 8 hour sessions a week I'll be good right? And it looks as though you can too. Just session 6 hours Sat., and 6 hours Sun.for the five weekends. You just get in right? I'm sure you could jocky that. It's a 50k FR bud... try to make the time. A lot of us could finally meet then..that's the good part !!

2) If I make it, would you think of me as a degenerate?
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Old 02-17-2011, 01:36 AM   #3439
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I am over the fact that PA poker costs more than other places. IIWII.

Other games have a similar "upcharge" and if you compare 15-30 to Vegas, where they pot rake it at $4 max - then you'd feel that the PA time charge is outrageous... which, honestly, it is. Yet, the games goes everyday here.

Actually, I feel the $6 time charge for 15/30 is quite reasonable, and on the level of what it would cost in AC if the game was there. It's been a while, but when I played the game in upstate NY I believe it was also $6. 10/20 is $5 in AC, so $6 for 15/30 in PA seems fine and not "outrageous" at all.
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Old 02-17-2011, 03:23 AM   #3440
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The 30-60 LHE game has been picking up steam. Last week(Thursday), we had a full 9 players for 2-3hrs, and 7 or more for 5 hours!. The best nights to run 30-60 seem like Thursday and Saturday, so if your interested, i would say go those days and start or add your name to the 30-60 List of Interest. As for anything higher then that, I would say, the 30game has to run more consistently. Why start a higher game?, if you have enough players for a full 30-60game and possibly a list.

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Old 02-17-2011, 03:28 AM   #3441
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As for the 60hours needed in April, I do believe it is a little high, but i'm sure ARI doesn't want 1000players...I have been putting in about 30hours a month and I am only in the area 3-4days a week. I am going to take a shot in April and play 3-4sessions a week at 5-6hours a clip, 8/15/30LHE games. (i'm goin to Vegas April 20-25, so it's gona be tight).
Thanks for this ARI,

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Old 02-17-2011, 04:21 AM   #3442
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60 hours is a lot to just put in for April, especially for a ton of tournament players. As everyone knows the Delaware park poker classic starts April 1st till the 17th and then it's the WSOP at Chester right after that. So 60 hours and mostly everyone having a 9-5 job and the couple of big sersies , I was maybe wondering if the free roll is even worth that much time.

Just my 2 cents, I still love parx but will be playing a lot else where coming April
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Old 02-17-2011, 08:44 AM   #3443
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Anyone interested in playing some $1/2 PLO tonight? I should be there around 830-9p. Will start shorthanded.
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Old 02-17-2011, 09:59 AM   #3444
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Actually, I feel the $6 time charge for 15/30 is quite reasonable, and on the level of what it would cost in AC if the game was there. It's been a while, but when I played the game in upstate NY I believe it was also $6. 10/20 is $5 in AC, so $6 for 15/30 in PA seems fine and not "outrageous" at all.
You're right, comparing Parx $6/half for 15-30 to AC. When the Taj used to spread that game, it was $6/half. Parx is very competitive. My point was that it's outrageous compared to a $4 pot-rake in LV

The $5/half for 8-16, however, is a different story - comparing "local" charges for similar games (10-20 @ $5/half). At $4/half - now your talking!
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1) Glad you mentioned the 5 weekends. I figure if i can get two 8 hour sessions a week I'll be good right? And it looks as though you can too. Just session 6 hours Sat., and 6 hours Sun.for the five weekends. You just get in right? I'm sure you could jocky that. It's a 50k FR bud... try to make the time. A lot of us could finally meet then..that's the good part !!
NFW that I can devote that kind of time and still maintain my personal life. I travel for business and weekends are too valuable to me. Devoting 6 hours, each day on both Sat/Sun for a month is not "in the cards" for me. Like, I said - no complaints here, just reality. I think that many people will be able to qualify, some won't. IIWII.

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2) If I make it, would you think of me as a degenerate?
Nope - it's all about priorities. Go for it!!!
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Old 02-17-2011, 12:06 PM   #3446
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You're right, comparing Parx $6/half for 15-30 to AC. When the Taj used to spread that game, it was $6/half. Parx is very competitive. My point was that it's outrageous compared to a $4 pot-rake in LV
I'm not sure I agree with this. I've been trying to figure out how many hands I win in an hour, and I think I win about 3 an hour. In Vegas that would be 3 hands * $4 = $12. Parx is $6 * 2 half-hour charges = $12. It seems it's about the same. Now, if you are a really tight player, then the Vegas rake is better. If you are a really loose player, then the Parx time charge is better. But, on average, I think it's about the same (but I'm just guessing on how many hands I actually win in an hour...)

Overall, I prefer the time charge mainly because a raked game encourages tight play. Also, the time charge keeps people from wandering off for hours at a time.
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Old 02-17-2011, 12:17 PM   #3447
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Anyone interested in playing some $1/2 PLO tonight? I should be there around 830-9p. Will start shorthanded.
I'm up for it. I could be there at 9 as well.
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There are two trains of thoughts on who actually pays the rake vs. time charge. Out of scope in this thread, however.

I think the "rake=tight vs. time=loose" play is vastly overstated. Some of the loosest & wildest games I have ever played in were raked. And, I have left the Bellagio 30 game (time) and the Bay101 20 game (time) on many occasions, because they were rock gardens.
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Old 02-17-2011, 12:34 PM   #3449
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There are two trains of thoughts on who actually pays the rake vs. time charge. Out of scope in this thread, however.

I think the "rake=tight vs. time=loose" play is vastly overstated. Some of the loosest & wildest games I have ever played in were raked. And, I have left the Bellagio 30 game (time) and the Bay101 20 game (time) on many occasions, because they were rock gardens.
Well ya the people who actually think about optimal tightness with respect to the rake and adjust accordingly are probably not people you want in your game anyway.
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I'm up for it. I could be there at 9 as well.
Looks like we have 3 so far for tonight. Myself, you, and Neal. Hopefully we can get a game running tonight.
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