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Old 01-07-2011, 04:54 PM   #2826
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I speak from experience. One of my regular games is a 5/5 NLHE and 5/5 NLO rotation game in NYC. The buy-in is sometimes $500/$2000, and sometimes $1000/uncapped, depending on who starts the game.

It's insane how often in a night $4000+ is sitting in the middle during the NLO round, even at a table full of tight older players.
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Old 01-07-2011, 05:01 PM   #2827
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Not to get back on this topic again but that simply isn't true. You seem to be a limit holdem player...and I'll even say expert. Continue to speak on that.

We'll play 1-2 all day every day. But it's not generating much interest EXCEPT for some regs so to make it more fun we'll play 1-2 with 5 blind UTG (since 5 bring in was shot down). For those streams of new players that want to play (lol) but are intimidated by the $5 bring in, don't post it. You don't have to. It's 1,000% optional.

There was talk of a bigger game 5/5. That's not talk of changing the 1/2 game or making it bigger. It's just talk of "hey, next time we are in, let's start a 5/5 list and play that instead of 1/2".
Was going to post the exact same thing. Well said Chris.

Yes it is probably isn't great ettiquette not to post it, but I do not think any of us would mind. A player not willing to post has a decent % of being mediocre anyway so we wouldn't chase him out. We PLO regs are also pretty nice people, no matter what people say. There are quite few arguments at the table if any. If only the dealers would be better at counting pot...
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Old 01-07-2011, 06:02 PM   #2828
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I respectfully disagree with the statement recognizing PLO as the "game of the future". The chasing, pot builder that dethroned stud as said game maybe...but not solely the "game of the future". NLHE was, has been, and probably will continue to be, the most popular variation of live poker for some time to come IMHO.

Don't get me wrong, all variations are of Omaha are fun to play (post flop) given a descent card player pool. Unfortunately, of the present live Omaha player pool , only a small percentage are actually card players as opposed to huge pot, action junkie, gamblers imo. A big reason why you guys aren't getting the influx of players you might want.

I know Omaha is inherently a pot building game. It just seems, by the way you guys discuss in this thread, your game leans toward the example I mentioned. A manner of playing the game that is not conducive to noob attraction imho.







p.s. While I do frequent 1/2 NLHE, I am not a "hoodie wearing.... all in, as seen on tv" type. Been playing most variations of poker since long before the "moneymaker effect". While referencing these types in the future , I kindly ask that you add "except JONATHANM" tyvm

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Old 01-07-2011, 06:04 PM   #2829
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Not to get back on this topic again but that simply isn't true. You seem to be a limit holdem player...and I'll even say expert. Continue to speak on that.

We'll play 1-2 all day every day. But it's not generating much interest EXCEPT for some regs so to make it more fun we'll play 1-2 with 5 blind UTG (since 5 bring in was shot down). For those streams of new players that want to play (lol) but are intimidated by the $5 bring in, don't post it. You don't have to. It's 1,000% optional.

There was talk of a bigger game 5/5. That's not talk of changing the 1/2 game or making it bigger. It's just talk of "hey, next time we are in, let's start a 5/5 list and play that instead of 1/2".
Yes, your are correct. I am predominately a limit player. I will dabble in and I do enjoy PLO, though... for fun. IMO, the game is too much like flipping quarters, for my tastes and would not enjoy playing it for real money. But, that's just me. I consider it a "good" game for me and I could certainly hold my own in the game. But, from my observations - "your" game plays higher than 1-2.

I'm not antagonistic, by any stretch. But, I would think the conversation might go along the lines of, "How can we expand the game to get more people?", rather than the current diatribe about the regulars that play it already and what their preferences are.

We used to get a 1-2PLO going at the Taj a while back. We limited the buy-in to $200 and did away with missed blind posting. After a while, the game died off (for a lot of reasons - most not good) but, it was amazing how many non-PLO people would play, because it was fun and relatively low risk for them. Of course, usually the better players took the money, but the noobs usually always had a good time.

If you want to have your own private game, enjoy. That's pretty cool. I don't think anyone would object to whatever is offered as playing options in that game.

I certainly do not have all the answers, just some observations.

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Old 01-07-2011, 06:14 PM   #2830
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No, I'm saying that poker heaven would be 8 game, and most of the people willing to play HOSE would likely play the other two games as well. Too bad we're limited to 6 games.

If you're going to try to start HOSE, why not go on ahead and try "6 game?"
Not sure I agree with this. People that play HOSE, even if they suck at one (or even better, more) of the games, generally have a basic understanding of all those games.

When you add the "other"games to the rota, you sometimes eliminate the weaker players, who have no clue about the other games and will tend to avoid playing, because of that. Even NL and/or PLO will scare off HOSE players.

While I'd give good odds of getting a 4-8 and/or 8-16 HOSE going, I'll take the under for a 6 game rota, at those stakes, in this room.
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Old 01-07-2011, 06:15 PM   #2831
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I respectfully disagree with the statement recognizing PLO as the "game of the future". The chasing, pot builder that dethroned stud as said game maybe...but not solely the "game of the future". NLHE was, has been, and probably will continue to be, the most popular variation of live poker for some time to come IMHO.

Don't get me wrong, all variations are of Omaha are fun to play (post flop) given a descent card player pool. Unfortunately, of the present live Omaha player pool , only a small percentage are actually card players as opposed to huge pot, action junkie, gamblers imo. A big reason why you guys aren't getting the influx of players you might want.

I know Omaha is inherently a pot building game. It just seems, by the way you guys discuss in this thread, your game leans toward the example I mentioned. A manner of playing the game that is not conducive to noob attraction imho.







p.s. While I do frequent 1/2 NLHE, I am not a "hoodie wearing.... all in, as seen on tv" type. Been playing most variations of poker since long before the "moneymaker effect". While referencing these types in the future , I kindly ask that you add "except JONATHANM" tyvm
lmao at this. If you really think PLO is a game of gambling, I'd advise you to observe the game. I think the regs are solid players, obviously if there is a top set vs wrap hand the money going in. But there are definitely many opportunities for bluffing and hero calling. Please learn omaha before before making random generalizations.
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Old 01-07-2011, 06:25 PM   #2832
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Yes, your are correct. I am predominately a limit player. I will dabble in and I do enjoy PLO, though... for fun. IMO, the game is too much like flipping quarters, for my tastes and would not enjoy playing it for real money. But, that's just me. I consider it a "good" game for me and I could certainly hold my own in the game. But, from my observations - "your" game plays higher than 1-2.

I'm not antagonistic, by any stretch. But, I would think the conversation might go along the lines of, "How can we expand the game to get more people?", rather than the current diatribe about the regulars that play it already and what their preferences are.

We used to get a 1-2PLO going at the Taj a while back. We limited the buy-in to $200 and did away with missed blind posting. After a while, the game died off (for a lot of reasons - most not good) but, it was amazing how many non-PLO people would play, because it was fun and relatively low risk for them. Of course, usually the better players took the money, but the noobs usually always had a good time.

If you want to have your own private game, enjoy. That's pretty cool. I don't think anyone would object to whatever is offered as playing options in that game.

I certainly do not have all the answers, just some observations.

YMMV
Sounds like a CAP game on Full Tilt. The people that play PLO would literally have zero interest in that. It would be a series of flips until players got deep stacked and could actually play some poker.

1-2 with 100-500 is perfect. 1-2-5bring is beyond perfect but I'm completely fine with the current straight 1-2 game.

Lowering the buy in won't bring in more players either.

I consider myself a PLO reg both here and at The Borgata. The bottom line is, there isn't a huge player pool for the game. There is no need to change the game when that's not going to bring in anymore players anyway.

/ my PLO game discussion. It's played out at this point.

GL in the 8-16 HOSE game. Sounds like a lot of fun and I'd def randomly sit in that if PLO isn't going. NLHE makes me want to order two black coffees and pour each over my head.
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Old 01-07-2011, 06:27 PM   #2833
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lmao at this. If you really think PLO is a game of gambling, I'd advise you to observe the game. I think the regs are solid players, obviously if there is a top set vs wrap hand the money going in. But there are definitely many opportunities for bluffing and hero calling. Please learn omaha before before making random generalizations.
I think what he means (not defending, just opinionating my interpretation) is that, to play game correctly, there is some increased variance, beyond what many players are willing to expect.

Your TS v. W example is one. You have to be willing to get it all in. Hero calling and bluffing also add to that.

There is more gamble in PLO than some other games and the better the players, the more of that there is.

Love the game.... hate the variance
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Old 01-07-2011, 06:27 PM   #2834
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I respectfully disagree with the statement recognizing PLO as the "game of the future". The chasing, pot builder that dethroned stud as said game maybe...but not solely the "game of the future". NLHE was, has been, and probably will continue to be, the most popular variation of live poker for some time to come IMHO.

Don't get me wrong, all variations are of Omaha are fun to play (post flop) given a descent card player pool. Unfortunately, of the present live Omaha player pool , only a small percentage are actually card players as opposed to huge pot, action junkie, gamblers imo. A big reason why you guys aren't getting the influx of players you might want.

I know Omaha is inherently a pot building game. It just seems, by the way you guys discuss in this thread, your game leans toward the example I mentioned. A manner of playing the game that is not conducive to noob attraction imho.







p.s. While I do frequent 1/2 NLHE, I am not a "hoodie wearing.... all in, as seen on tv" type. Been playing most variations of poker since long before the "moneymaker effect". While referencing these types in the future , I kindly ask that you add "except JONATHANM" tyvm
That was a joke made by Clorox...and continued by me.

It's the game of the future....and always will be. As in "always more popular in the future....and never now" which is true
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Old 01-07-2011, 06:30 PM   #2835
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NLHE makes me want to order two black coffees and pour each over my head.
No sir. You need 3 cups, the 3rd one goes in your shorts when Q4 snaps off your AA.

Good debate on PLO. Everything you say about PLO players is entirely true. I was looking at it from the perspective of getting a "non-PLO player" PLO game going.

Next time your game goes, if I'm in the house... I'll spew a buy-in
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Old 01-07-2011, 06:33 PM   #2836
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I might have to come in tonight in order avoid the coffee pouring on head if I go to Borgata (10-20 O/8 is as appealing as NLHE).
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But they play so ****ing horrible in that game... it's like walking past an ATM spitting out money and not stopping for a bit to pick some up.
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Old 01-07-2011, 06:48 PM   #2838
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Hey Guys -

I looked, but can't find any info .... Any idea if the 1/2/5 PLO Game is running tonite. I'm in a gambly mood, boys n girls.

Furthermore, is there a text message / email list for the game?
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I will be there around 6 and will get on or start the list for 8/16 HOSE...lets do our best to get this goin tonight!!!
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Old 01-07-2011, 07:20 PM   #2840
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I think we made it a regular Tuesday night thing.

I goes on the weekend randomly without planning, but its hit or miss. I can't play tonight, but I can tomorrow late.

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I looked, but can't find any info .... Any idea if the 1/2/5 PLO Game is running tonite. I'm in a gambly mood, boys n girls.

Furthermore, is there a text message / email list for the game?
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Please learn omaha before before making random generalizations.
I do know the game....
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I think what he means (not defending, just opinionating my interpretation) is that, to play game correctly, there is some increased variance, beyond what many players are willing to expect.
This is what I tried to get across.

Thank you IFSATG. Sometimes I have so much in my slush I can't put it together properly.

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That was a joke made by Clorox...and continued by me.

It's the game of the future....and always will be. As in "always more popular in the future....and never now" which is true
Oh...sorry Pip and C. Went waaaay over my head apparently. Very clever nonetheless . (please give me a heads up in the future...I just realized I'm slower than I thought )
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Old 01-07-2011, 07:42 PM   #2842
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Haha, we did have a funny conversation this past week about one guy getting drunk with his friends and playing omaha, and the first hand was quads over quads. it took them a second hand of 5 of a kind over quads before they figured out it was a pinochle deck.
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I think we made it a regular Tuesday night thing.

I goes on the weekend randomly without planning, but its hit or miss. I can't play tonight, but I can tomorrow late.
ill try to be there tomorrow as well
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ill try to be there tomorrow as well
Its going now, you can always check this link to see:
http://www.taeyeonkim.com/parx/index.php?game=plo12
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Old 01-07-2011, 09:45 PM   #2845
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8 16 HOSE IS A GO!!
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Old 01-08-2011, 03:15 AM   #2846
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Hey gize, just got back from the 1/2 PLO game..went from around 8:30 to midnight.

IMO 1/2 PLO has no future at Parx. I think it's a myth that you want a small game trying to set the hook. Think you need to get a 5/5 game and hopefully attract some of the people in the room with some money who is looking to throw around some of it.

No flames please, just my opinion
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hey ARI,
Quik comment on trying to get this 30-60LHE game going(at least on weekends)...We had 2 plyrs on List of Interest last night(fri), with 2 other plyrs saying they would play if we start. We didn't get it going, but I noticed and asked some1, and they said, if after 2 hours the game doesn't start, the List of Interest comes off the board.?.?.Can this be fixed to stay on?? Ex: if a list starts at 6pm and 3 names on it, by 8pm, no matter how many names r on it, it is coming off the board.?. It may take a few hours, but I'd really like for it to stay, because you never know when it could start 4/5/6handed. If it keeps coming off the board it's goin to b alil harder to get started. I think if it stays on for a few more hours, possibly, even last night we could have maybe got it going 5handed.
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ARI,...30-60LHE continued.....ALSO, I hate, and do not want to walk around to the different tables and ask players, "do you want to play 30-60", "do you want to play 30-60". I really want to get it going, but I believe that asking plyrs is annoying, as well as, other players thinking that I am trying to take players from their game!!! I just think that leaving it on the board longer, as well as, it showing on the monitors that there is a list, will give us a lil better chance of getting it going. I do understand that by trying to get it going, it could possibly take players from the 15game. Obviously, we don't want to have the 30game&15game both short handed, so i am just thinking out loud...TY
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Quik comment on trying to get this 30-60LHE game going(at least on weekends)...We had 2 plyrs on List of Interest last night(fri), with 2 other plyrs saying they would play if we start. J
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Not being experienced at this level, I'm wondering why the 15 and 30 regs just don't get permission to start short-handed and build the game up?

It always seems harder to get a game going, to me, if you're trying to build a list first. If some people can make the "sacrifice" of playing short (and the house can help, perhaps, with half-rake), wouldn't you have a much greater chance of success?

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Hey gize, just got back from the 1/2 PLO game..went from around 8:30 to midnight.

IMO 1/2 PLO has no future at Parx. I think it's a myth that you want a small game trying to set the hook. Think you need to get a 5/5 game and hopefully attract some of the people in the room with some money who is looking to throw around some of it.

No flames please, just my opinion
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I'm curious about this (see previous comment). If you're only "hopeful" at 5/5, how will that be any more sustainable than at 1/2? And, aren't you more likely to catch players who might take a shot (such as me) at 1/2?

Also, do you find that 1/2 players don't build up enough to feed 5/5?


My other comment, from my one limit O/8 game at Parx- the reg players need to watch their addytudes towards the greener dealers. If you don't make the game inviting to others.... others won't 'invite' themselves in.
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