Lighten up Francis. It's not the end of the world.

2/5 at Parx has become a miserable game. Full of miserable regulars. Worse game in the casino as far as the atmosphere at the tables. Mainly the regulars obviously. Just so many of them are nitty, quiet, and just not fun to be around. Somber boring mood at the tables, especially weekdays. Weekends obviously are a lot more lively with more recreational players.

Parx just seems to have more boring misery regs then Sands, Chester and other casinos I've played. Midnight Cowboys attitude in this post regarding the BBJ seems to sum up the personality of Parx 2/5 regs.

zrap, that's a poor assessment, as I'm neither quiet nor miserable at the table, and neither are many of the regs I play with. I find the $2/5's to be lively and entertaining, and there's action every night of the week. i can't speak about daytime...maybe you're playing the wrong hours. But for those of us who rely on the $2/5 as a means of income, the BBJ is the equivalent of a 20% tax hike. That type of hit to our wallets is worthy of a little outrage.

How do you guys compare Parx's 2/5 with Sands' 2/5 or 5/5 games? Which one is tougher?

I think the Sands 2/5 is wayyy softer than Parx. Yea, Parx has a deeper buy-in to $1000, but has way more nitty grinders. Sands 2/5 is extremely beatable.

The Sands 5/5 to me is the best cash game around. It's the same $1000 buy in as Parx but plays way looser, with often terrible players looking to gamble, and the best Sands cash regs almost never sit down there as long as the 5/10 or 10/25 is running (still don't understand that one). I've seen people win $15K in a single session at the 5/5, which never happens at Parx 2/5.

That's interesting. Does 5/5 game run everyday at Sands?

Yes usually.

I heard from a dealer that tablets and smartphones use will no longer be allowed at the table once the BBJ is implemented. Can anyone confirm this?

some of this post is true...but I have never seen worse 2/5 players in my life...action is almost always great, but the players are no different than other places...mostly socially inept and without etiquette (one player last night couldn't stop picking his nose...was going to say something to this little-hat-wearing dude, but didn't want him to leave either)...

This will be an awful awful idea... I also heard that the BBJ may pay the entire room and not just the table...that's another awful idea as every time it hits, teh whole room will shut down for 2-3 hours...

I see your point kk, but if it's to be done, it'd be better the entire room gets paid. Get the money put back into as many pockets as possible.

I don't see the tablet/phone thing happening, but just my opinion.

Was told only the table would be paid out and not the room. The tablet/phone rule is probably going to be the same as other casinos... Just can't be on it if you're in the hand. Dealers probably will be more uptight about dealing you in if you're on the phone tho.

I was told something different by a shift manager. $0.81 seems to ring a bell.

Yes, it seemed extreme to me as well. The dealer said it was a PA rule. What usually happens with those things is that they're sticklers for it when the BBJ arrives, but as time goes on no one gives a damn

I've never heard anything like that. I'll ask again next time I'm there.

That is an excellent assessment of the two five at parx..... Unfortunately the push back you receive from this would go under the category of miserable people don't know they're miserable.

The BBJ is horrible for Parx but that's another story.

I was told by a shift manager that this is correct. Rules will be the same as they are now, but dealers may be more persistent in enforcing them.

Just claim 20% less in winnings on your tax return!! Seriously though, it's like what, $4 extra in rake per hour probably, plus or minus a couple bucks depending on how many hands you like to play. In addition you could still win or at least be at the table when it;s hit one day. In addition the games will get slightly better when it's high. So it's not as if they are just raking a $1 more and thats that.

Lovely, good luck Parx and that one. Like others said the dealers will probably be more vigilant for the first couple weeks then everything goes back to normal

It's mainly the older regs in those games I would classify as miserable, I'm not talking about every single one either, some I like very much. Most of those older guys don't play for a living and are probably breakeven or slight losers but just make the game miserable.
My problem with the younger guys who reg the 2/5's at Parx are they take it so serious and are just not fun to be around at the table. I'm talking about the ones who are playing for a living and would be considered grinders. I'm friends with quite a few but they just don't make it a fun game compared to other casinos I've played a lot of 2/5.

One exception would be that kid Chris, really good looking with a big round head, talks all the time, plays music for the whole table, plays really long sessions. Kid is a baller and makes the games fun.

Apparently zrap=Chris ;-)

Zrap, a pay cut of 4 dollars an hour is huge.

I'm just gonna take it out on the dealers... Gonna bring in a roll of half dollars like the old stiffs that play spread limit stud at the Taj.

BBJ drops installed

The Omaha sign reminds me--what are they doing about the Omaha and OE games for BBJP?

I've seen them exempt OR having their own BBJ which is usually much lower in $ due to frequency of hitting per hand dealt being higher.

I don't know anything official about which games will be excluded, but the unofficial thing I've heard which makes a lot of sense is that only hold 'em games, and only those which are rake not time, will be BBJ eligible. So, essentially just 1-2 NL, 2-5 NL, and 3-6 LHE (not that it ever runs) would be eligible. (And maybe the 6-12 LHE, I don't remember if it was rake or time.)

excluded: 6-12 OE, 10-10 NL and up, 15-30 LHE and up, all omaha games and mix games.

I guess we'll see on Tuesday (along with finding out whether it will just be a BBJ, or whether there will be smaller promos spreading money more frequently, as I hope).

So a little birdy passed along some info on the BBJ. Here goes!

Starts: Tuesday 4/1/14 at 6:00 AM (unless unforeseen issues arise). Initial prize pool: $25,000.

BBJ Qualifier:
* Quad 6's (must have a pocket pair)
* The hand must go to showdown
* Four players minimum must be dealt into the hand

BBJ drop: $1 taken out of the pot when it reaches $20 (including the rake)

BBJ payout: 40% losing hand, 20% winning hand, 40% table share

BBJ eligible games:
* All Texas Hold'em, non-time-raked games. So $1/2 NL, $2/5 NL, & $3/6 LHE.
* The $10/10 game originally asked to not be included, now they are asking to possibly included so we are looking into possibly resubmitting for it. Not sure yet.
* Parx will not do what some rooms do, though, where the high limit games go in & out of the bad beat when they feel like it.

BBJ table-share eligible players (note the last rule, which is atypical IME):
* Anyone who is in the game already (has already taken a hand), and who does not have (or should have) a missed blind button
* Meaning you don't have to have been dealt in this hand, as long as you have not yet gotten a missed blind button
* A new player waiting for his big blind is not eligible for the Bad Beat payout, unless that player is dealt in a new game and waiting for his initiating blind.
* If a player who was dealt cards quits the game and removes his chips prior to the showdown of the Bad Beat hand, that player is NOT eligible for a share.

BBJ fund distribution:
* 20% of the $1 will go towards a 'promotional jackpot pool' which will fund several promotions.
* The remaining 80% goes to the primary and reserve BBJ jackpot pools (on a sliding scale between them as the amounts increase).
* 100% of BBJ money will be returned to the players monthly

6's or higher means that it will build up.

Minimum pot of $20 should mitigate some of the $1/$2 pain, at least the limp pots where a flop bet takes it down? More calling lightly with 66-99 and suited connectors coming to a table near you when >>$100,000.

Does the 6/12 LHE even go? I don't remember if it was time or rake. I'm guessing rake. Will be interesting to see if the lower limit games get traffic when the BBJ gets big.

Thanks for the info!