If you're saying this, I can only wonder how many non-2+2'ers have had a similar experience and decided not to come back, or don't come back nearly as often. if parx is striving to be a top tier poker room, it needs to implement rules that protect the integrity of the game.

Some of the reg 6/12 O/E's and I were talking ,and we thought with the recent approval of Razz , Parx should have a regular H.O.R.S.E tournament on Sundays around noon. For a cheap buy in, such as $120, this will help people get their feet wet in different games besides NLHE. This will in return help feed the bigger Stud/ Omaha/ and Limit games. It will also be the only casino in the area that offers a weekly H.O.R.S.E tournament. If there is enough interest, you may be able to open a regular mix cash game. Since there is currently no tournaments on Sundays anyways, this will help draw some people in, especially after football season. Its a unique idea , for a unique poker room.

yes this rule is being constantly abused. I saw a guy do it 6 times!!! one night! It just got annoying

I am down to play some 1/2 PLO/NLHE or 1/3PLO on Wednesday nights. Can't make Tuesday nights cause of my bowling league. I'm feening for some PLO. Lets make it happen!!!

Anyone down to play some PLO tonight???

PARX is so grimy.

On multiple occasions, I have seen someone announce on the river that they had a certain hand, watch everyone muck, and then turn over something different. I have never seen this anywhere else.

"Oops I didn't have 2nd pair my bad"
"Oops I saw 2 red cards and thought it was a flush"

I really prefer just playing PLO, I don't see the point of playing a mixed game when there are 20+ tables of NL to chose from, you want to play a little of both? Fine change tables. The other problem with a mixed format is the stakes. NLH and PLO are very different games, even though they seem similar. a 1/2 PLO game generates way more action than a 1/2 NLH game, so playing both in a mixed game is a bummer cause when you switch games you are also stepping down the stakes. The 3rd problem with the 1/2 mixed format at parx is for some reason they decided to make it a 6/hh rake, which is higher than the 1/3 plo rake and absolutely silly, why would we want to pay more rake for a smaller game?

Would be in. Might go anyway. Keep me updated.

Mix games, if done right, can be good games. I have definitely heard of regular round by round nl/plo in other areas. I agree with the stakes issue. Generally I would think 2/5 nl and 1/2 plo would work better, but other players may not agree. If the rake really is higher, that doesn't make sense to me. Im sure Ari would lower it if we let him know.

I would rather just play $1/3PLO too. I don't care too much about the mix either. As long as PLO is played also then I'm fine with that. It would be tough for me to make it out Tuesday nights since I wouldn't get there till 10 plus I have work the next day which always sucks. Hopefully we can get it going again tonight or sometime in the near future.

Sure it makes sense in a small club that has 1 or 2 tables, not so much in a 64 table room that always has a bajillion NLHE games going.

Only want NLH in the game if its a 6max table, and 2x the stakes of the PLO, otherwise it is just dumb. NLH with 9 people is stab yourself in the face boring.
BriMc I assume I'm on your text list?

were other games recently approved also?

I have been playing at Parx on and off since right after it opened last year and I disagree with Parx being grimy.

The vast majority of the people I have played with have been honest decent people who just want to play and have fun. After a slow start Ari has made several changes which have improved the quality of the room. He seems to be the best poker room manager when it comes to listening what the players want.

No matter where I have played in the past (Borgata, Foxwoods, Mohegan Sun and many Vegas rooms just to name a few) there are always two or three guys that are angle shooters and always try to abuse the other players. Don't let these few slant your opinon of all the hundreds and hundreds that play at Parx every day. Again most of them are solid honest players.

First. I have been lurking for a while.
I am sad to say that I really registered to make this post.

The issue I have with this establishment isn't the charging for drinks, or the stupid out of turn rule. (granted they were pretty shocking). The problem is the employees.

I have played here a Whopping total of 3 times, and I assure you, that was enough.

I have never in my 8 years of live play, felt this unwelcome in a cardroom.

First of all. The Floormen.
Have you ever seen a floorman appear to be standing guard at the entrance to a pokerroom? I have. At Parx.
You know, it may sound crazy, and it may very well be. I figured nothing of it.
I continue to the desk to get a 1/2 seat while glancing over the room...and notice this guy is STARING at me.
So I slow down..and yep, sure enough this guy is GRILLING me. For what reason I ask myself...
Is my fly closed? check..
Horn sticking out of my head? Nope..
Pretty sure I didn't stroll up in there weilding dual MAC-11's.
So I look this guy dead in the eye, smiling as I walk past him, and say, "How ya doin tonight?"
I get no response. Not a "good, how bout u?", not even a condescending "Fine" from an employee at an establishment that should INVITE new players.
Completely unnacceptable. REGARDLESS of what his issue was, it should have been left at home.
Not exactly my idea of an inviting atmosphere to spend my money.

Furthermore, I distinctively recall sitting at a 1/2 table that was just dead. So, again, to gauge employee response, i switched seats to a table immediately next to it.

Was I wrong for doing so without notifying the floor? Maybe. Could the dealer have quickly announced New Player at table #? Perhaps. Do the obnoxious regs do it all the time? Yes.

Mind you, this was 4am. No, there wasnt anyone on the list. There were 6-7 handed tables all over the room.
Sure enough, a floorman proceeds to single me out.
"Sir, did you just switch tables?"
"Yes."
"Sir, I'm going to need you to let someone know EVERY time you want to switch tables."
"Hey, no problem."
Pretty aggressive in my opinion, but still tactful.
Until he proceeded to give me the Evil Eye for another 20 seconds, and then reiterated with, "Ok?"
I again had to pull my attention from the game to acknowledge this idiot's ego.

WTF is the problem here? How specifically did I cause such Chaos and Anarchy to warrant such a response from him?

Second of all. The Front Counter.
To keep the post short, the attitude of the young lady was unacceptable to say the least. It's NOT my fault if you don't like your job sweetheart. It's too easy to crack a smile and have some common decency.
On the contrary, it would seem that certain employees go OUT of their way to be unpleasant to unfamiliar faces.

Third of all. The Bar.
I sat at the bar on 3 different occasions, for over 30 minutes, without being approached by a bartender to see if I needed anything.
I didnt speak up or wave one down purposefully, just to see what would happen. Mind you, this is all with making Consistent eye contact, sitting in the back where the waitresses pick up orders!
Now, I know some people here will say, aww cmon man u just gotta speak up, slam the table a few times with ur hand.
I am not a bar fish.
My point is, I shouldn't have to. I'm paying for my drinks here!

Sadly, 4th of all. The Waitresses.
Again, I've only visited this venue thrice. BUT, All 3 times, i have been COMPLETELY ignored when attempting to get their attention at least on 3! different occasions each visit.
Unacceptable. Tell me ur too busy sweetie, tell me u'll be right back.. something. Don't look through me, and then have the nerve to return to the SAME table with food and drinks for 4 other players.
I find it hard to believe that I was not seen or heard when they are ASKING the table for orders.

In closing, I can honestly say if I ever return to Parx, I'd rather take a shot at the slots than go through the ordeal of playing poker in that room. Entirely too tense of an environment for a player that's new to the room, let alone a newbie player. This was MY experience, and you guys lost a player.

The extra hour drive to the AC is looking a lot better than it used to.

I've only been there 3 times myself and feel a little different. I can't wait to go back.

Yes, you could die of thirst before getting a drink at Parx. But I found the dealers and floor to be pretty accommodating.

And yes, they do treat the regulars better. But like any service industry, the regulars pay the bills. I'm not offended becasue they treated me just fine.

The only issue I had was when I new game started. My friend and I were at the top of the list. When the game was called some regulars had already locked up seats. I told the floor nicely that we were at the top of the list and should have first choice. No problem. She gave us first choice and moved the regulars.

dude all these ghetto poker rooms in PA, upstate NY, FL etc are just low grade dog meat. Stick to Borgata and if you are in MA foxwoods, not because they run a great room but it's where everyone plays and it's at least tolerable. these other places will start off strong but you'll see them fade in time.

Haha, OK PardoG, thanks for that valuable assessment. Just for kicks, I just checked the live game report. Parx: 32 tables running; Borgata: 25 tables. You're right, the Borg *is* where everyone plays!

Borgata has a great room. I would play in it more if it were closer to me. But Parx has a great room too, and it's now been open a year, and it continues to kick ass. Perhaps you are right, and 2-3 years from now when NYC casinos open things will be different, but for now, I'd have to say your advice is fairly suspect.

@EnlightenedRaise, bummer that you had a bad experience. My comments:
1- You should have known better. Scratch that, you did know better. Don't get pissy because someone scolded you for it.

2- There is always security standing at the entrance eyeballing folks, and if you're young looking they will card you. I've never see a floor doing so, but the floor manager desk is right there so perhaps one was milling around. No idea why you'd get the stink eye - in my experience, (most?) all the floors are genuinely friendly, pleasant people.

3- No idea. But the bartenders make tips by serving you drinks. I doubt it was a conscious decision not to serve you.

4- The waitresses are also nice, and they make money by serving you drinks and food. As dire wolf mentioned the big issue tends to be speed, not attitude. Maybe she just didn't hear your order?

Maybe it's because of your bad first impression, but from your description it sounds like you went around the room testing to see how long it took various people to see you there and stop and ask you if they could help. I'm not saying that's entirely without merit, but you'll certainly get better results if you act like a normal person rather than like a secret shopper.

In any case, to each his own. If you won't be back, good luck going wherever it is you end up playing. But know that the things you describe aren't typical.

Why are 2p2ers encouraging other 2p2ers that they should keep playing at Parx? Every time a 2p2er says "I'm done with Parx" an angel gets its wings.

If you let this happen to you, that's entirely on you. First time someone does it, call the floor to give the guy a warning. Second time it happens, call the floor to have the pot awarded to the person who mucked.

Granted, I expected a scolding. But I expected it to be done professionally. Not a scolding that was done with the specific intent of attempting to embarrass me. All that extra was completely unnecessary and the same end result could have been achieved by a hand on the shoulder, with a compassionate reminder of the rules.
I wasn't out of line. He was.

I'm 30, with a massive goatee to match. My experience with Two floormen says otherwise.

They heard, and looked me in the eye, like I said in my post. 10 times in 3 visits is beyond reasonable doubt.

Dinesh, I sat on 3 different occasions. I would say we are past 1st impressions.
If it seems to you that I was "undercover" trying to find a reason to dislike the place, please consider that 2 of these instances occurred before I even sat down... Not to mention that I was literally not even in the door for 2 minutes.
How are you doing tonight is hardly some first-class service I'm expecting, just common decency.

Bar issues aside, let it be known that regs SHOULD get preferential treatment. This does not constitute the treatment I was given.
Would it not stand to be true that ANY player who walks across that floor could potentially be a regular?

Just my 2 cents. By all means, I hope no one is deterred from playing here by my statements alone, and I truly wish them the best.

I for one, will not set foot there again unless its for a pit game.

I love the idea and would definitely play in a HORSE tournament at least once a month.

As far a regular mixed cash games go...they do need another option at Parx besides the 6/12 OE game, which is mostly populated by nitty regs.
I want to play the other games too, not just Omaha & stud h/l.
Maybe 8/16 HORSE would be a happy medium ?

i would prefer a 1/2 plo/nlhe because it could/would draw the typical 1/2 nlhe to the game to give it a try. the problem with the 1/3plo game is that is 90% regs and far tougher than it should be. i understand the point about stepping down in stakes as omaha plays much higher, but to generate interest in the PLO game i think its important to recruit otherwise shy NLHE players...

that being said I will be there tonight, lets get a 1/3 going if nothing else

1/2 NL players don't have the bankroll to sustain themselves in a PLO game, they lose a bunch and never play again. The player pool you are trying to draw from is 2/5 and 10/10, and they are not sitting in a 1/2 game generally.

Most PLO games are filled with regs, there just aren't that many PLO players compared to NL, doesn't mean the games are tough.

your right and i actually agree 100% with what you said. My goal is to generate here is to generate interest in PLO. Its intimdating to play live for the first game, but it also extremley enjoyable. 2/5 players all seem to be content as 2/5NLHE players with no interest in changing games while the 1/2NLHE is the recreational player who may be looking to try somthing new. If you can think of a better way to generate interest I am all in, but I think we can both agree the 1/3PLO is not sustainable by itself and could use a hook to bring in new players.

1/2 mixed game has 6 on the list

Actually I don't agree, its been running pretty regularly on the weekends, and I think we can get a 1/3PLO game going at least once a week mid week, and that's what we are going to try to do starting next week.