Since the room is going to a $2-4-6 limit holdem game. How about we kick start the omaha 8o game at the same $2-4-6 limit? It seems to be a nice building block. Throw the low rollers a bone please.

$2-4-6 limit holdem
$8-16 limit holdem
$15-30 limit holdem
$30-60 limit holdem

$2-4-6 Omaha 8o
$6-12 O.E.
$15-30 O.E.
$30-60 H.O.E.

Thinking about heading down to Philly for a few days, visiting some friends, and playing some poker. What are biggest NL games that run regularly during the week? How about the weekend? Are 5-10+ games capped?

10-10 runs every night. $500 min $2,000 max.

Not that this 1/2 player expects to jump up any time soon (so just curious I guess), but what chips are used in that 10/10? Is it just reds, greens, and blacks or are the 10-dollar chips used extensively?

Just $10 chips and black chips.

And purples and pumpkins!

hey...does anyone know how often the $30/60 H.O.E. game gets off and/or if it runs more during the week or on the weekends etc..? thanks.

It runs almost daily during the week. I believe Wednesday is the prime day, you can check here to see the times games have ran the last week.
http://parx.phil.ly/

thank you.

Level?

Have not seen the game go in the live reports.

Ari, can you confrim if $2/4/6 will be spread?

What makes Wednesday the "prime day"? Thinking about coming down this Wednesday. What time does the 6/12 and 15/30 O/E games start?

It was the original day the organizers set it up for, it then spread to other days. Have not been there recently, but figured it would still be the strongest numbers wise day for it to go.

is there really 3 tables of 10/10 and a 10/20 running right now wat is going on its a monday night lol

Sad... just sad.

This will kill the 4/8, for sure. The 8/16 can't get going. Low-Limit holdem will be dead in this room. Who in their right mind would play 2/4 or even 2/4/6, unless the rake is reduced to $4max?!?!?!?!?!?

Maybe, just maybe... if the greater wisdom can prevail... this will pave the way for a 6/12 LHE game.

Play it with the $2 chips and the blinds should be 2chip/3chips.

Wow. Just wow. I never thought 2/4 would happen in this room.

Yeah it was pretty crazy. Certain jeweler came and game instantly started.

Agree. Read my post on the previous page, 2/4/6 LHE with a $5 rake...not for me, sorry. Don't see $2 chips helping 'build the pot' in that game either. Hopefully everyone will play with $1 chips instead.

I'd personally love to see a 6/12 LHE game @ Parx, but I doubt there would be enough interest. As you mentioned 8/16 is dead, and the 4/8 may also be killed off. 99.9% of the players buying in between $200-300 are playing 1/2 NL, sad but true.

As I mentioned in the earlier post I'm surprised...but I'm not that surprised.
4/8 is just too 'foreign' a limit for players so accustomed to the 2/4 & 3/6 games in AC. There must have been a contingent of people complaining to Ari that the limits are "too high". I've also noticed on the live game reports that the 4/8 tables seem to be dwindling also.

The reason why the 4/8 game is dying is due to the fact there is no 2/4 games at Parx. The limit games needs to be developed and without the 2/4 games there are no new players moving up in stakes to the 4/8 games. I understand that it is hard to beat the house playing 2/4 with a $5 rake but leave that to the players to decide if they want to play or not.

The reason why the 4/8 game is dying has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with the presence or absence of a 2/4 game. You are not getting "new" and "move-up" players in low-limit limit games any longer. That era has come and gone.

It is dying because the base of players don't want to play that limit. The bottom feeders want to play 2/4 and others would rather play higher - but not all the way up to 15/30.

It's the reverse effect of why the 8/16 game never got traction. Most players wanted to play 15/30 and when they could get into the 15 game, they abandoned the 8/16 to play that. There were not enough players left to keep the 8/16 afloat. Some of those players dropped to 4/8 and some went to play other games.

What you will see is, if/when a 2/4 game is spread, the existing 4/8 old rocks and other bottom feeders will move to it. There will not be a sustainable base of players remaining to keep a 4/8 game going and it will die. And, Parx will become the Borgata East - with no mid-limit LHE game.

Unlike the Borg, which spreads a 10/20, having a gap to 15/30 at Parx will be huge.

There needs to (should be) a game between the two... 6/12 is the logical stakes to fill that gap.

That said, the vast majority of the $300 buy in base is now playing 1/2NL.

However, knowing that the 8/16 can't survive and expecting that 4/8 will limp and die - it's worth trying to fill the gap with a 6/12.

What's the worst that can happen?

6/12 is not that different than 4/8 in stakes. If there are people who want to play 6/12 now, they would be playing 4/8. You need a low stakes game like 2/4 to get players trying the game and eventually moving up. Not having a 2/4 game is originally understandable when Parx opened (because of lack of tables) but with all the available tables now, Parx should definitely spread it.

You can draw a correlation to the no limit games. Look at how many 1/2 no limit games are going because poker is new to the region, people are trying the game at low stakes. Some of these players will eventually move up to 2/5 and 10/10.

You miss the point - there are zero new low-limit players. Any *new* players to poker are all playing no-limit. A 2/4 game is not going to bring any new players to the room, other than the social security and low-roller crowd. That player base will never play higher than 2/4 (maybe, just maybe - 3/6).

If we were back in the pre-Moneymaker era, what you say is somewhat true. But, it just does not work that way any longer.

Your "correlation" to NL is accurate... somewhat - in the context of NL only. Yes, you do get move up players from 1/2 - but, as with the nature of NL, many of these players go bust (because they suck) in the higher stakes NL games and often return to 1/2 - they never (read: NEVER) switch to limit, in any significant numbers. They are all part of the new breed (hoodie & sunglasses) or folks that started playing the game, by playing NL. That is their "game".

The higher limit NL games survive because there is a player base, with sufficient bankroll (or recurring funding), to play those stakes. You have to be a pretty good NL player to consistently win at higher NL stakes. Most players do not have those skills.

More on point... A 6/12 game is significantly different from a 4/8 game, just as a 15/30 game is significantly different from 10/20 game. It will draw a player base, who want to buy in for ~$300, yet not play 1-2 NL. How large that base is any longer, is the question. It's all about finding the sweet spot in limits, where you can acquire and sustain a player base.

In the OE game, that base settled in at the 6/12 limit. Originally, that game started at 4/8. Yet, it evolved, as players determined the stakes that they were willing to play. I'd offer the same could be true for Holdem, too. Especially,if there is no 4/8 level - which there will not be, once 2/4 grows legs (for all the reasons that I stated before).

There is no net-new player draw, that contributes to "move up" in limit Holdem, any longer. Especially at the very low stakes.

FWIW I've yet to see a 2/4 or a 2/4/6 game run at Parx. Has anyone?

and LOL @ people need to have 2/4 to move up from. No one moves up from 2/4 cause it is mathematically impossible to beat that game with a 5 dollar rake.

Hey guys... I'm not sure if this has been answered by anyone before... I know parx just started their tourneys. Has anyone played in the Wednesday afternoon or Saturday afternoon tourneys? Any idea how many players they get and how long they are running usually? Thanks for the info.

My guess is no one from the 4/8 game has moved up to the 15 game either.
Why all the snobbery to a 2/4/6 game? Some people may like to buy in small and splash around for a few hours.House makes money players don't care if they can't beat the rake.I don't care either way but why can't they have a table to splash on if a demand is there.As a PP stated low limit games are dying anyway and you had ample time to get the 8/16 rolling.Try the 2/4/6 and 6/12 the worst that can happen is it does not go and have the 4/8 game as a fall back.

My only concern over 2/4/(?) is that way back when, Ari was firm that he did not want to spread that limit. Many of us agreed that was the right decision. It kept the lowest limit game at 4/8, in hopes that it would be sustainable as the bottom of the limit food chain. Much like the LV structures, where things build up from that.

Knowing that a 2/4 limit would take the low rollers out of the 4/8 game (and most likely kill it), I believed that having 4/8 as the bottom rung was a good strategy for helping to build a base for 8/16. Well, that did not work out so well.

2/4 is a different animal - a vastly different animal. It is not a beatable game, at the current rake structure. Not that I care, people can throw away all the money they want.

I am just disappointed, because a 2/4 game will continue to drive a stake into the heart of low/mid-limit holdem games here. Players wanting to play 4/8 and 6/12 (if an option) will not benefit from having a 2/4 game. Even if those games can sustain themselves, it would not be because people are moving up from 2/4.

Rather, the 2/4 game will, in fact, hurt the 4/8 game.

That was *my* point.

IDK where this talk about 4/8 dying anyway is coming from. 4/8 has been a daily game since parx opened, with 1-3 tables, it hasn't grown or shrank in any noticeable way.

2/4 will 100% kill the 4/8 game, and there will not be a 6/12 game, if there is a 2/4 game. All the losing players who just like to play for fun will play 2/4 since they lose slower at that limit, and there will be no winning players in the game, only the house will win. The fact that we are still even discussing this is ridiculous.

Sure the number of players who build a roll at 4/8 and then move up to the 15 game is very small, but at least its possible to win in that game. If you are a young kid with very low expenses you could build at least a shot taking roll for the 15 game in a few months, though most people in that spot are probably just playing 1/2 NL anyway.

Its been said at least 10 times ITT, its not the lack of a 2/4 game that is killing low limit poker, its the popularity of 1/2 NL.