Definitely in favor of making the 2/5 a timed game for the reasons mentioned above. I'm kind of surprised it isn't already, actually. The 1k max buyin makes it seem like it's trying to cater to more serious players, but taking a rake (especially preflop) definitely hurts the cause of getting good deep-stack action. These games are already full of 2+2 players... let us 3bet each other profitably!

^Not all people that use handicap parking are in wheelchairs. There are other handicaps.

I can see the parking being an issue at some point as well. The distance of the walk doesn't bother me, but walking out there alone after dark could be unsafe.

I've only been there once, but I left around midnight and saw two security vehicles patrolling in the minute it took me to get from the door to my car. I agree that they can probably make some tweaks to make the lighting situation better, but IMO you're about 1000x more likely to fall victim to someone following you from the parking lot in another car than to get assaulted/robbed on the casino grounds.

No offense, but I would like to know the percentage of average joe weekend warriors who actually think about this sort of thing enough to have a noticeable effect on action.

Just sayin'

1) It's not like I'm gonna tell you about it!!....geez!! lol

2) Yeah, your probably right. But god, it's kinda hard to miss the pickles. I do LOVE boobs ,so I guess I could always keep the lights off!! lol

Yea yea, such a hoot!!...NOT. Some handicapped individuals are unfortunately unable to walk hence the title?

Using a handicapped tag when perfectly healthy = -1,000 IMHO

Moving forward...Any updates on the room for monday please?

Just because someone only plays on weekends doesn't mean they're not there strictly to make money. For sure people who put equal emphasis on having fun vs. making money don't care. But you don't see many of those types at a 2/5 game, especially in a non-resort card room like Harrah's Chester or Parx.

There was already a big-time debate over rake vs. time in another thread so I won't belabor the point or side track this one. But even in this thread alone you can see the consensus opinion--serious players prefer time.

I think that was just a lighthearted joke. And I can honestly say(as a person who spits on cars parked illegally in handicapped spots) there are so many freakin handicapped spots that I think if someone is legitimately worried about parking far away, they should go ahead and park there at night. There's gotta be 150 spots and like 8 cars.

Have any of you who have been complaining about the size of the handicapped parking area noticed that not-to-small thing called a racetrack and grandstand right in front of your eyes? The amount of required handicapped parking spaces is based on the track's capacity.

Not unexpectedly, there aren't many cars in the handicapped area when the track is closed but the poker room is open.

----my first post, be easy-----
I took to 2 + 2 early last week to decide if parx was worth the trip, or if they were just chester north. I'm glad I did had it not been for 2 + 2s glowing reviews except for the water problem (which we know is fixed) I wouldn't be calling parx my new home away from home. But after visiting Friday night and finally getting on a 25 table after 2 hours...I was just as impressed as all of you. This room has great potential and after speaking with ari...he has a great feel for the players intrests without looking past the casinos intrests of course.
I look forward to logging 35+ hours a week here. Job well done Parx. As a borgata regular I am sad to say goodbye (except for the opens of course).

My only gripe is the Parking. I'm a fairly big guy and don't mind the occasional scrap. But this walk at 4am to the cars is a tough one to swallow. I feel something should be done before something happens. Model it after the borgatas lot. Lights, securitys...I don't think anyone minds walking through there.

That is all for now..see you at the tables!!

I can't wait to get up there and play. The only thing keeping me from the tables right now are the wait lists. This is one of the best reviewed rooms I've ever seen

Boxes will be ready in a couple of weeks so then it won't be an issue at all.

In the interim you can ask security for an escort to your car. They are very professional, mostly ex-military, no rent-a cop feel to those guys at all, constant radio contact during the escort.

^ perfect...thank you..that's the best news I've heard. Forget the free water, this beats that.

Have there been any sightings of the 8/16 LHE game ?
What about O8 or stud ?

8-16 LHE started yesterday at 1:15pm and broke around 5ish, if memory serves.

15-30 started at 2:45pm and ended (in a shouting match about something ridiculous) at 6:45pm. I think it was going to run again later last night, but I wasn't around to witness it.

I am pretty sure an Omaha game was going, but dunno if it was O8 or PLO, and can't really say for sure that it went. No idea about stud, but I'd guess not.

As has happened at Chester, Sunday at Parx was a little bit lighter than Fri and Sat, especially around football time.

aside edit: I guess one of the mods didn't like my Johnny Dangerously psychotic homage post. too bad, i laughed my ass off.

So what can one expect for a wait for $1/2 around approx. 7pm on a Monday night?

My gut says 30 deep and about an hour.... ugh. Really looking forward to getting started at what will become my "local" cardroom!

Cigarettes are $10 at the bar. As a smoker I dunno if that is + or -. I guess its a + since they do even offer it.

I have played 8/16 a few times, and see lots of names on the list regularly. I am guessing that after Dec 22nd (crosses fingers) when the second set of tables opens to forty some we will see it more frequently. It is a good game as you get the folks waiting for 15/30 and some of the more adventurous 4/8 players.

open seating.

I'm gonna say 48.

While we're on the subject, anyone notice people jumping line and just snagging open seats? How's the floor been handling it?

Someone did this in my 5/10 game Saturday night. Player was insistent that since he played a hand he couldn't be removed. Floor went to go talk to someone else. I thought they were going to throw him out of the building, but eventually nothing was done.

is there anyone there right now who can see the waiting list?

I made a trip to Parx this morning just to look over the room.

It really is a nice room. Bright, nice colors, specious room between the tables, and nice looking waitresses dressed to "impress" and more importantly, good service. Like others have mentioned the tables seemed just a little tight with ten in the game. That may have been my imagination as my game was played with bigger guys. The feel of a very nice room. As some 2 plus 2'ers know, I mainly play at DP, sometimes I travel to Harrha's Chester just to change it up. I have to say that Parx has it all over Harrah's Chester. I like the set up for expansion, which is already complete. Overall a beautiful room, minus the smoking section....... though I have to admit, I didn't smell any smoke at all. But when I got there at 10:00 AM, there weren't more than 6 tables spread and not many smokers at the bar that I noticed.

Here's what I don't like. A 5.00 rake which is taken regardless of a flop. Any raise with no callers and the house takes a buck. That's a bad deal for players and should be changed. I challenged that drop when there were only blinds won and was told my raise made the pot 10.00 bucks and therefore, a raked hand. Since they play lowest limit at 4-8, there's no way short of a chop to avoid a rake if a hand is raised. In an earlier thread someone mentioned that the AC rooms take a rake in blind raised pots too, but for some reason, I don't remember them doing that. I hated the chips. The 2-5 game is played with 2.00 chips, as is 4-8. I've never heard of a 2-5 game being played with 2.00 chips in the mix too. Also, all the chips have multi colors and at first glance, I thought whites were blacks. It's too easy to mix them up especially when sizing up a dirty stack. Red birds also have some blue in them which I didn't understand. In fact, I think they all have some blue in them....maybe wrong with that.

But, the thing I really disliked was that if you get stacked, you are out of the next hand and until you have actual chips again in front. You can't buy chips from the dealer, or play light while a chip runner gets you chips. Once your stack is gone, cash means nothing until the chips are in front. Therefore, if stacked, you're going to watch at least a hand or two or three. They should allow the dealers to sell a fill, or let players play cash while runners get chips. You must do one or the other IMO and I'm surprised Ari hasn't made some allowance for that. The dealers were on the slow side, some from Harrah's Chester, AC and Vegas, so I can't explain why. Only one dealer I had claimed to be a "school dealer" and though slow, she'll improve. By the time I left at about 1:30, they had fifteen tables playing and were trying to open an 8-16 limit, but I don't think they got it off. They had a 8 person list for 4-8 08, but didn't call the game while I was there. Basically all games were 1-2.nl, 2-5 and 2 tables of 4-8 limit. The game I played were mostly solid with only three players working to give their chips away. Two managed to do it, while the other "fished out a boat load of hands" and covered their losses with his two hour "hit and run." The fact that the room is off the casino building may work against them too, since there are virtually no rail birds.

I did introduce myself to Ari, and outed myself from two plus two. He seems like a "top notch" manager, who understands the game/players. I have to say he did an outstanding job of setting up a first class room. The question I have is, can this room ever be a Borgata style force in the east coast poker arena? You can make a case for it, but what Parx will miss is those tourist which only Vegas and Ac can provide the good players. Weekend "nightlife" and other casino's along with conventions bring in players who keep all the pro's "in the money" in both Ac and Vegas. All those higher limit games will be a tough spread even for Parx. I think you'll see them for a while and then it will settle into 1/2, 2/5 and a few 5/10 nl games. And of course 4-8 limit. I really don't know what these rooms have to do to get bigger limit games on the board. DP is trying everything and still is having trouble spreading 8-16 with a max 2.00 rake. If that doesn't get it done, I'm not sure what they, or Parx...or Harrah's is going to do to make it happen. I was going to stop by Chester on the way home since I wonder how that room is now that they're not "the only game in town", but I was too lazy. I did see a couple of DP regulars at Parx, also checking out the layout and also noticed a DP floor at the tables. All in all, one of the best rooms, minus the little things, on the east coast. Better than Rivers, Pocono Downs, Hollywood Penn National and the Meadows in PA. For sure, the best in PA. For me, I still prefer a 4.00 max rake with the 2.00 rake promo's at DP limit games and nobody can beat the ten minute drive for me. But, if it's not rush hour, I'll take Parx waaaaaayyyy over Harrah's Chester.

Anyone here interested in a mixed holdem game? Half NL and half LHE? I was thinking 2-5NL and 15-30 limit 8 hand rotation. PM me if youre interested and we'll try to get a game going once a week or something.

I guess you can argue that the portion of your chips that "calls" the other bets is part of the pot (e.g. if you raise to $20 at a 2/5 and there wasn't a raise before that, $5 of that is "call" money and in the pot). But boy that sucks if that little bitty portion of your raise is enough to rake just the blinds. As I said earlier, gives you no incentive to try to steal dead money with a marginal hand. If you're going to play the hand at all, might as well just limp and see a flop unless you have grand designs of building a big pot to take down post-flop.

You should never chop since this is the case. The only other casino ive been to that rakes PF is Commerce in CA(majority of the players there do not chop) and they have great action. If the players know that you do not chop, the range of hands you are raising with in late postion would most likely be wider and should create more action. Thats just IMHO.