there is a major change : the rake of all three card rooms changed in december due to a new tax control system (coupons) from the gambling regulation.

To sum up (I will post later all the details) for a 100 (2/4) :
ACF 20€/h
Cadet 14€/h
Clichy 2% of your stack when you at the table + rake in each pot up to 12€

Definitly beatable since we don't tip and the skill of the player is not that good

They call the 2/4 a "100" since it's the minimum buy in. There is not max buy in.

bon séjour

Manzito I appreciate the info, but have no clue what u are talking about

Translator ?

New rake applied since december 2013 in the 3 cardrooms (thanks Loorent ) :

ACF:
- 100 - 2/4 : 20 euros per hour.
- 250 - 5/5 : 25 euros per hour.
- 500 - 5/10 : 35 euros per hour.


Cadet:
- 50 - 2/2 : 6 euros per hour.
- 100 - 2/4 : 14 euros per hour.
- 250 - 5/5 : 24 euros per hour and half.


Clichy:
2% of the money you put on the table (your buy in, your eventual reload). You have to pay that an other time if you change table.

+ rake in each pot:

- 50 - 1/2 (cap at 6€):
2€ from 12€ to 49€,
+2€ from 50 to 99€,
+2€ for a pot > 100€.

- 100 - 2/4 (cap à 12€):
4€ from 20€ to 59€,
+2€ from 60€ to 99€,
+2€ from 100€ to 199€,
+2€ from 200€ to 299€,
+2€ for a pot > 300€.

Will be in Paris for a day or two while travelling for two weeks to Western Europe this fall. I'll be looking for some good tourneys to play. What are Paris' best Casinos for $100-$500 euro tourneys? Do they run daily? Are there schedules?

Thanks for any help

Not a tourney player, but I'll chime in.

If you're in Paris, it's actually really simple. You have three options:

Aviation Club de France (ACF), Cercle Cadet, Cercle Clichy Montmartre (CCM). Do not go to CCM. Ghetto and insane long lists for cash games.

So that leaves ACF and Cercle Cadet (both are in safe neighborhoods). For tourney schedules, their website will either list them or mention their phone numbers. Call. They speak English.

Anyone knows if there's still a 2-7 lowball game going on?
Used to be one a few years back

What is rake in the Paris Clubs? Dan Obrien tweeted about 10% uncapped, in a cash game there. Can't be true, was that only during WSOPE?

Check the post by manza above, those are the latest rakes that apply in Paris card rooms.... uncapped ridic rake only applies in french casinos (which can only be found outside Paris)... now keep in mind ppl say that the wsope took place in Paris but they actually took place in a small town right outside Paris... so in a casino, hence crazy rake.

remember the higher the rake the worse the players have to be for you to win and the deeper the stakes have to be.
luckily paris has good games but high rakes. they can be beat but you had better be a very good player.

One more question:

Are games/actions in English or French?

What are the key words I need to know/recognize if the latter?

Thanks

at the bigger rooms they speak both and accommodate english. the dealers will all speak english and inform you of any thing you ask you dont understand.
quickly you will learn the money amounts. and the bets.
when you go to a place ask about rules and string bets etc, as they enforce things we dont.

Played at Cercle Cadet yesterday; membership was 60e (not 20) but was a reasonably nice place to play and games were good. Will definitely be back.

I played at Cercle Cadet a couple weekends ago while travelling on business. Decent room and the games were very good. If I find myself in Paris again I'll definitely be there.

FWIW, I speak nothing but English and had no problems. There was always somebody at the table who spoke English and was willing to help. Most of the dealers seemed to speak English as well.

Thank's all for this thread. Makes it so much easier than random googling. Cercle Cadet seems worth a try.

When I lived in Paris in the Fall of 2012, the lower cash games at Cadet and ACF were raked very heavily including bad beat and the 5/5 game was 30euros an hour. I have recently looked on the ACF website after reading about the new laws on rake and find these extremely reasonable time charge amounts. Can anyone confirm this is correct?

dont they now take time and rake.

but in the mid sized cash games it looks like you pay like 500 a day to play. but it was close to that when i was over there. plus they forced you to tip about 15 dollars or so if you won a decent pot.

Please see the time charge numbers I attached above for ACF. Looking to verify those numbers. No idea what you are saying though.. No one tips in France.

Just to be clear, now you pay time AND rake, correct?

went to cercle cadet a few days ago and It was closed, any input?

Basically cadet and acf are closed for now... with some hope they will open up again in the following months depending on who u listen to.

One thing's for sure: Paris live regs have just gone through their own black friday. The whole community is in an uproar. Only one official room left open in the city and it is so unbelievably ghetto and badly managed i would never ever recommend it to anyone visiting.

Oh and 3h waiting times a few days ago (friend was there).

So yeah atm poker in Paris is totally fed (excuse my french).

Glad i left that place. The whole country is ******ed when it comes to managing a good poker scene. And all of the room's management were a joke, all of them. Floors with horrible rulings, too high of a rake, redic chip denominations, horrendous and rude service and ofc the inability to operate within the law / to follow the rules in order not to get shutdown.

Oh and yeah online is dead there also... gg France.

/end rant

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Sigh, really wish I'd seen this thread before coming here. Is the nowhere else local that runs a tourney/ cash game? How likely am I to get stabbed/ robbed at 'ghetto' card room and what is the current rake?

Ok check out the room cercle clichy montmartre

And i may have exagerated a bit when stating it was "unbelievably ghetto"... i mean by US standards its a walk in the park. Near zero chance of u getting stabbed as long as you dont get in any ridic arguments with the bad boys there.

And u can see this experience as a great way to discover another side of paris i guess... kinda exotic.

Waiting lists might be redic but they are opening more tables soon i hear..

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The Cercle Clichy Montmartre is the only place to play in Paris now. 60€ annual cotisation.

The have 12 tables of cash game (they will have the authorization to open 6 more at the end of the week). For the moment they open two Dealer's choice (one 100, one 250), two 250 texas (min buy in 250€, blinds 5/5), two/three 100 texas (min buy in 100€, blinds 2/4) and the rest 50 texas (min buy in 50€, blinds 1/2).

If you want to be sure to sit at the openning of the room you have to be in front of the cercle at 1.15pm (they open at 1.30pm) to put you on the list to play at 2.15pm. After that you may be on the list for hours. As a reg, I know come between 8pm to 9pm and play on the night shift, because the game are way better at night and the waiting list is "short" at that period since the players that play during the day leave and there is few people on the waiting list at that time, but the list restart to be huge after that.

They also have daily tournaments : http://www.pokerccm.com/les-tournois.html

Concerning the area, as Marc said, it's not the best part of Paris. For example, I'm only live at 15-20min walking distance from the cercle but I take a taxi at night, since I don't want to be in that area with money on me during the night.

The rake is know that :


GL at the tables and have nice trip in Paris

They opened a " VIP room" this weekend. The rake is now 30€ per hour for the "250" (blind 5/5€ - no max buy in).