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01-14-2023 , 08:21 PM
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Originally Posted by walkby
There's a jackpot rake at Casino Niagara? Doesn't that make the games a lot less profitable? Timed rake seems worse than 10% up to $5 add that to a jackpot rake and the 1/3 games seem a lot less attractive just because of the rake. Do any players there think it's not a big deal?

Do the 2/5 games run often at Casino Niagara?
The $7 session fee per 30 min is brutal, for the most part. However, it depends on your style of play. Personally, I'd much prefer 10% max up to $5.

Yes, there's a jackpot rake. They take $1 for every flop.

My opinion on BBJ's and their rake is this: The value added for a BBJ is mostly in game quality increasing, rather than the possibility of you winning the BBJ. As the BBJ grows, the volume of players in the room increases. While at the same time, the range of hands those players are playing increases. TLDR; As the BBJ increases, your winrate increases.
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01-14-2023 , 09:53 PM
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Originally Posted by BankItDrew
Personally, I'd much prefer 10% max up to $5.
Given that it's 10% up to $15 at every casino in the area, this is just wishful thinking. Session fee feels like a better deal.
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01-15-2023 , 02:41 AM
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Originally Posted by drewgrof
Given that it's 10% up to $15 at every casino in the area, this is just wishful thinking. Session fee feels like a better deal.
Yes 10 percent to 5 hasn't been standard in Ontario casinos for over a decade and a half. The casinos are too greedy for any reasonable rake less Niagara Falls which probably will still be around if Woodbine opens up a poker room as this casino will probably be the only legal room for US players in the region as Turning Stone is a shade less than 3 hours away.
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01-15-2023 , 01:36 PM
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Originally Posted by lefty rosen
Yes 10 percent to 5 hasn't been standard in Ontario casinos for over a decade and a half. The casinos are too greedy for any reasonable rake less Niagara Falls which probably will still be around if Woodbine opens up a poker room as this casino will probably be the only legal room for US players in the region as Turning Stone is a shade less than 3 hours away.
Did Ontario ban US gamblers? I hope it's fake news but that's the rumour I heard.
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01-16-2023 , 02:55 AM
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Originally Posted by BankItDrew
The $7 session fee per 30 min is brutal, for the most part. However, it depends on your style of play. Personally, I'd much prefer 10% max up to $5.

Yes, there's a jackpot rake. They take $1 for every flop.

My opinion on BBJ's and their rake is this: The value added for a BBJ is mostly in game quality increasing, rather than the possibility of you winning the BBJ. As the BBJ grows, the volume of players in the room increases. While at the same time, the range of hands those players are playing increases. TLDR; As the BBJ increases, your winrate increases.
Yes he you will whacko fish playing when the BBJ is above 100k, it's just logic and people will chase for 1 outers for stacks because of the BBJ.

As for the other poster US gamblers would never be banned as how could they tell who was Canadian or American. In the summer the biggest fish tend to be tourists from the US who find the stakes "cheap" and cross border gamblers were big customers when the Ontario casinos first opened as the neighboring US jurisdictions didn't have legal gambling at the time.
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01-16-2023 , 08:55 AM
Anyone know if Casino Niagra has PLO running 7 days a week?
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01-17-2023 , 08:57 AM
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Originally Posted by AAJTo
Anyone know if Casino Niagra has PLO running 7 days a week?
I wish. Never enough players to get it going. Barely runs weekly and either Friday or Saturday. Check Bravo app
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01-24-2023 , 03:51 AM
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Originally Posted by lefty rosen
Yes he you will whacko fish playing when the BBJ is above 100k, it's just logic and people will chase for 1 outers for stacks because of the BBJ.

As for the other poster US gamblers would never be banned as how could they tell who was Canadian or American. In the summer the biggest fish tend to be tourists from the US who find the stakes "cheap" and cross border gamblers were big customers when the Ontario casinos first opened as the neighboring US jurisdictions didn't have legal gambling at the time.
Don't you have to have a card with an Ontario address? Maybe my source was fake news.
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01-25-2023 , 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by LordRiverRat
Don't you have to have a card with an Ontario address? Maybe my source was fake news.
No

You do not need to provide any identification when playing poker at Casino Niagara. (Other than perhaps age verification at the front door)
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01-26-2023 , 05:08 PM
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Originally Posted by BankItDrew
No

You do not need to provide any identification when playing poker at Casino Niagara. (Other than perhaps age verification at the front door)
You must provide ID if you're part of the BBJ. That said, there's no discrimination against Americans. There may be some US tax issues however.
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01-27-2023 , 03:26 AM
OK good. I don't really play live any more but I'm glad there's US money flowing into the Ontario poker community. And I say flowing into cause they're definitely worse at poker than Ontarians from what I've seen.
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01-27-2023 , 03:15 PM
Are the summer months busier then the winter ones?

It must be newer faces (tourists) in the summer and a lot more regs in the winter?
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02-04-2023 , 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted by BankItDrew
The $7 session fee per 30 min is brutal, for the most part. However, it depends on your style of play. Personally, I'd much prefer 10% max up to $5.

Yes, there's a jackpot rake. They take $1 for every flop.

My opinion on BBJ's and their rake is this: The value added for a BBJ is mostly in game quality increasing, rather than the possibility of you winning the BBJ. As the BBJ grows, the volume of players in the room increases. While at the same time, the range of hands those players are playing increases. TLDR; As the BBJ increases, your winrate increases.
Do you think someone who has a decent understanding of poker could make a minimum wage hourly at Casino Niagara's 1/3 relatively easily? I was playing mostly microstakes heads up sit n go's (about 23k games 7.7k profit 7.1% AV ROI) until PokerStars and the Ontario government pretty much demolished any hopes I have of playing it for a living. I picked up a decent understanding of poker while playing them though that I think would translate well to live ring games. Just feel for the game and hand ranges and general understanding. Basically I'm still trying to figure out if it's worth it to play at Casino Niagara. I read earlier in the thread that a very good player can hope to make 10-15 bbs per hour but I'm just trying to make minimum wage (would work out to about 5bbs per hour), anything more than that would be great. Basically do you think I have any shot at this? (you seem to play these games) My goal would be to play full time (I'm from London so I'd be moving out there). Is there any hope for success? What hourly could someone realistically make? Am I crazy for taking this seriously?
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02-04-2023 , 05:19 PM
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Originally Posted by walkby
Do you think someone who has a decent understanding of poker could make a minimum wage hourly at Casino Niagara's 1/3 relatively easily? I was playing mostly microstakes heads up sit n go's (about 23k games 7.7k profit 7.1% AV ROI) until PokerStars and the Ontario government pretty much demolished any hopes I have of playing it for a living. I picked up a decent understanding of poker while playing them though that I think would translate well to live ring games. Just feel for the game and hand ranges and general understanding. Basically I'm still trying to figure out if it's worth it to play at Casino Niagara. I read earlier in the thread that a very good player can hope to make 10-15 bbs per hour but I'm just trying to make minimum wage (would work out to about 5bbs per hour), anything more than that would be great. Basically do you think I have any shot at this? (you seem to play these games) My goal would be to play full time (I'm from London so I'd be moving out there). Is there any hope for success? What hourly could someone realistically make? Am I crazy for taking this seriously?
Minimum wage is 5bb/hr at 1/3 and 3bb/hr at 2/5 so yes very easily. But why are you aiming for minimum wage? As a profitable hobby?
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02-04-2023 , 06:20 PM
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Originally Posted by LordRiverRat
Minimum wage is 5bb/hr at 1/3 and 3bb/hr at 2/5 so yes very easily. But why are you aiming for minimum wage? As a profitable hobby?
It's basically what I guesstimate as a realistic achievable winrate. If the real winrate is higher that's even better.
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02-04-2023 , 11:04 PM
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Originally Posted by walkby
It's basically what I guesstimate as a realistic achievable winrate. If the real winrate is higher that's even better.
You probably should be getting 10bb/hr at 1/3 and 2/5 if you're good, maybe higher at 1/3 depending on how soft the room is. I was 7 bb/hr ish over a 2500 hour sample when I grinded live and I had a ton of leaks.
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02-05-2023 , 11:06 PM
Before moving to Niagara Falls to play poker, I strongly suggest getting some experience playing low buy-in full-ring games online.

The tables at Niagara are 10-handed, which is a huge difference from heads up sngs.
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02-05-2023 , 11:22 PM
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Originally Posted by walkby
It's basically what I guesstimate as a realistic achievable winrate. If the real winrate is higher that's even better.
Live cash is very different online HU tournaments.
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02-05-2023 , 11:52 PM
I just think that 14 dollar per hour session fee is going to be hard to beat for most players until they get really good. Combine that with the fact you get like no amenities for playing poker and that sometimes you have to wait. What if you don’t feel like playing when the table opens? What if you have some appointment? You get to Niagara later on a weekend night which is prime time and you can be looking at 2 hours plus wait times. More if there’s a big bad best jackpot.

I think a serious player would have to play in the states, at least until you run out of visit time.

If you really had to stay in Canada, I think Playground is the best. Sure the rake is high but not compared to Ontario at most games and you get free food and drink. You also get player points. There’s never any wait times. And I think Montreal is just going to be a more fun city than Niagara to live in.
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02-06-2023 , 02:30 AM
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Originally Posted by thenewoldpro
I just think that 14 dollar per hour session fee is going to be hard to beat for most players until they get really good. Combine that with the fact you get like no amenities for playing poker and that sometimes you have to wait. What if you don’t feel like playing when the table opens? What if you have some appointment? You get to Niagara later on a weekend night which is prime time and you can be looking at 2 hours plus wait times. More if there’s a big bad best jackpot.

I think a serious player would have to play in the states, at least until you run out of visit time.

If you really had to stay in Canada, I think Playground is the best. Sure the rake is high but not compared to Ontario at most games and you get free food and drink. You also get player points. There’s never any wait times. And I think Montreal is just going to be a more fun city than Niagara to live in.
While it's true that games are 1000x better in the US, going down a few months a year comes with many issues.

1) Although we're allowed to stay up to six months a year, it's actually closer to four months a year otherwise you could be subject to US taxes as a resident alien (look up substantial presence test). But even four months a year is the best case scenario. Because...

2) The more you go down there for weeks or months at a time, the more you will be questioned crossing the border. Especially if you have no strong ties to Canada (for example, you live at home and don't have an actual decent job or don't go to school). I used to go down for extended trips all the time and after I graduated school (strong tie to Canada), I was pulled into secondary and questioned every time. I quit a job in December 2021 to travel and almost missed my flight to Vegas cause they pulled me into secondary and I waited an hour to talk to an officer for five minutes. For a facking one month trip. Not even a few months. One month. Never overstayed, no criminal record. Usually the air border is way more chill than the land border. Just wow! They gave me a really hard time and said the reason is that there's nothing proving that I'm not trying to drop off the grid there. Luckily the guy let me board my flight at the last minute.

And you would think I wouldn't need to say this, but you absolutely cannot tell them that the primary reason you are going is to try to make money playing poker. Believe it or not people are actually stupid enough to say that and I've heard stories about poker players getting denied entry cause of that.

3) You'll be living two lives. But your American life is a fake news fantasy life. You don't actually live or have a right to be there (it's technically a privilege) . And you aren't even guaranteed to be able to do what you're doing again the following year (see #2). The friends you make will be friends you can only see at best a few months a year. The girls you date will be short-term, casual relationships that are doomed to an inevitable and likely painful end, unless you plan on getting married or doing some long distance BS.

4) There's an opportunity cost to your real Canadian life. And that's being able to hold down a steady job or relationship. I do get that people travel, but if your life involves being in another country (that doesn't want you there) to sustain yourself several months a year, surely that cannot work out long term.

I've thought about just being a live grinder who plays in the US a few months a year while grinding live in Canada the rest of the year and working a seasonal job, but now it's a no brainer no for me. But if you're in your 20s and don't mind facking around for a few years, by all means go for it.
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02-06-2023 , 07:40 PM
Is it now looking like Woodbine is not going to open their poker room until the end of the year (if at all?)

Is Niagara still the best place in Ontario for decent action?
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02-06-2023 , 07:51 PM
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Originally Posted by berry_
Is it now looking like Woodbine is not going to open their poker room until the end of the year (if at all?)

Is Niagara still the best place in Ontario for decent action?
Considering almost all Ontario casinos are $100 bet max I'd say Niagra is one of the only options in Ontario.
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02-06-2023 , 09:59 PM
Brantford is pretty solid too
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02-07-2023 , 02:59 AM
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Originally Posted by AAJTo
Considering almost all Ontario casinos are $100 bet max I'd say Niagra is one of the only options in Ontario.
100 bet max? No, they have no limit everywhere. Exception is the CNE in August because of licensing.
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02-07-2023 , 03:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Razor Braun Fei
Brantford is pretty solid too
Brantford rake is 10 percent up to 15.
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