Do you realize how many different rumors there have been the past few years? I've heard twenty+, from former players, employees, dealers, etc. None have been true.

Bottom line, no one knows anything.

I know several dealers, none have been contacted. Don't hold your breath.

I'll also take this opportunity to give a big F you to Seneca. Holding on to player funds while providing zero updates for 2.5 years. Pathetic.

I don't, because I don't live in Buffalo any more and only keep track of seneca through here. Well, that and that I have a family member who used to deal there and still keeps in touch with other seneca dealers, and he told me that they are getting contacted about the room opening again.

take it with whatever grains of salt you want. doesn't matter to me.

Does anybody know if Casino Niagara still have the coffee shop open in the casino I went to the website and it looks like the food options are pricey to say the least. 34 dollars for special seems like a joke to me considering the sports bar is supposed to be casual dining.

Any input would be appreciated.

Do games at Casino Niagara normally start up when the poker room opens or does it take awhile to get games running? Might just move to Niagara Falls to play live if I can just grind 1/3 everyday at Casino Niagara with the possibility of moving up stakes. Do 1/3 games run everyday? How about other stakes? (I have a recent post asking if they run regularly, just wondering if they run everyday)

Yes they will start when it opens at noon. I was there for a Tuesday/Wednesday in mid June, and there was a lineup outside the poker room at 11am Wednesday morning. As soon as they let people in, they filled 3 tables with people waiting.

Quite shocking their room isnt 24/7 tbh.

Has anyone been to the poker room since the border restrictions were lifted? Wondering how its going

I feel there's been a slight uptick in number of players but it hasn't been massive and I don't know how much is due to restriction changes since October 1.

The BBJ is at it's highest it's ever been at Casino Niagara at $450k. I think that's had a bigger impact.

Unfortunately, it's still one of the most uncomfortable places to play poker, as far as seating. They still have plexiglass surrounding the dealers at a 10-handed table.

What is rake like at Casino Niagara?

Do they just have a parking lot there? Is it paid parking or anything?

Time rake 7$ for 30 min at 1/3 and 8$ for 2/5.
Parking is free after 4 hrs of play. You'll need to get player's card before you play and swipe at the table. Then when you leave ask for parking at the desk with your card. Once you leave parking you just give your card at the gate and they swipe to open the gate for you.

Is this good?

If you compare to other options in Ontario- yes.
If you compare it to states- hell no.

Parking is 35-40 bucks tho so you get a decent rakeback lol.

Do you think that rake is beatable or causes a detriment to someone's winrate when compared to a % of pot rake like 10% up to $5 or whatever the average "good" rake might be (if Casino Niagara's isn't the average)? When London's casino spread poker I think they used automatic dealer tables that did it all electronically and raked 10% up to $5. I think timed rake at $7/half hour might be worse than 10% up to $5 because there might be half hour spreads when you don't even play a hand and it might not average out to where you're being raked the same. I wonder what they both stack up to when it comes to how much you're being raked. (sorry for the questions, you don't have to answer them if you don't want to)

It's definitely beatable but yes your winrate will be less than in normal rake environment. Also you will have to open a bit wider as now you're not paying from every bank you win so there is incentive to play as many hands as you can profitably.

The real answer is: It depends.

Rule of thumb:
If you're a tight player and play few hands, rake is better for you than session fee.
If you're a loose player and try to win many pots, session is better for you than rake.

There are formulas to figure out exactly which of the two categories you fall under but you'll need a few different data points, including: cost of rake, cost of session fee, your frequency of pots won, and your personal average amount of rake paid per hand won.

If I decide to play live again does anybody have any experience with the Safeway tours new deal on chips when you take the tour bus? The website says you need to play 42 dollars and you get 40 in free play, is that a voucher that can be used anywhere or only in the slots?

Also are people willing to buy these vouchers at discount? Thanks.

Just have a question if anyone wants to answer it. What kind of winrate do you think is possible for a good player at Casino Niagara's 1/3 games? Was considering moving out there once I've saved up enough money for a bankroll + some living expenses and was wondering if it's even worth it. I would basically just be looking to grind 1/3 most days and move up to 2/5 if it's possible once I have the money but if it's not possible to make a decent amount of money playing the games it might not even be worth it.

Generally speaking, a very good player in live poker can make up to 10-15 BB/hr but this is an average over many hours and assumes all the good things/behaviors and quite honestly; 1) Being a live pro at 1/3 is a miserable existence, 2) Based on your very basic questions here ITT I would bet good money that you will not achieve this kind of winrate anytime soon. It shows that you lack live experience, or you would be able to answer that yourself. And the less your winrate the more you will be affected by variance. Sorry to be so direct. If I were you I'd keep it a hobby until you have a much more solid financial foundation and can play higher stakes. And worry less about the rake. The rake is a consideration but being in good games vs. mediocre or bad games is much more important

Playing for a living is a soul-destroying experience. You're much better off getting a job, even a min wage one, and just playing recreationally.

Ignore these black and white blanketing responses. It appears they are speaking anecdotally.

Again, the real answer is that it depends. It's a different experience for everyone and those individual experiences are on a spectrum.

Are the games still decent post jackpot though? I've noticed that there's a lot less tables than a couple weeks ago

The games are great.

I was there yesterday and they had 15+ tables with 50+ on the waitlist.

I see multiple mistakes nearly every hand.

the games are very good at Casino Niagara... I have a good amount of hours in the 2/5 and a few hours in the 1/3....My hours there are all weekend evenings which are the most profitable times to play...based on what i have seen there i think a solid winning player could win between $18 and $20 ph in the 1/3 with good game selection...

I would try to move up to the 2/5 as soon as you can because that game plays much deeper with the $1000 buy in...The stacks are pretty deep in that game and the skill level is not any better than the 1/3...I think in that game with good game selection a very good winning player could earn $40-$60 ph...

I think the collection in the 2/5 is not too bad because of the deep stacks in that game...the only negatives about that room is that they close at 330 am...which is pretty bad since 3am to 7am are probably the best hours to play since people are tired, stuck, drunk etc....

The other negative as pointed out ITT is that it is 10 handed and the chairs are terrible...so it can be pretty uncomfortable playing long hours....also the list is really long, but you can call in and show up 1.5 hours later which helps...

I don't know if you are Canadian or American but remember the exchange rate too. 1 United States Dollar equals 1.37 Canadian Dollar. And if you come from US when you exchange at he casino you lose 6%.

I think it's doable to grind out a living playing there ...i see some players who look like they are trying to play for a living in the 2/5...but i don't know how successful they are..


Personally, I f I was ever going to try poker full time I would move to LA...hands down the best cash games anywhere....

Any word on why the games aren't 24 hours on the weekend? Thanks.

been told lack of manpower..

There's a jackpot rake at Casino Niagara? Doesn't that make the games a lot less profitable? Timed rake seems worse than 10% up to $5 add that to a jackpot rake and the 1/3 games seem a lot less attractive just because of the rake. Do any players there think it's not a big deal?

Do the 2/5 games run often at Casino Niagara?