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08-17-2020 , 04:27 PM
Seneca Niagara is open as of the last time I checked the website. The poker room is closed though.

From what I read only social distant forms of betting are allowed at the moment. The sports betting book is open but is only taken automated machine bets at the moment.

I'm also guessing the casino is open at a limited capacity with security employed counting guests and making people wait until people leave if they are at capacity.
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09-10-2020 , 05:58 PM
Ontario casinos to open by sept 28th. Sadly no table games, and there will be a max occupancy of 50 ppl at a time. Ummm so this sucks, but it's a start...sort of..

https://www.cp24.com/mobile/news/cas...ures-1.5099895
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09-12-2020 , 02:54 AM
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Originally Posted by nutella virus
Ontario casinos to open by sept 28th. Sadly no table games, and there will be a max occupancy of 50 ppl at a time. Ummm so this sucks, but it's a start...sort of..

https://www.cp24.com/mobile/news/cas...ures-1.5099895
50 you might as well make a private casino for high rollers.

I wonder how many older people who would be less inclined to go online have kicked their gambling addiction with the casinos being closed down for going on 6 months.
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09-12-2020 , 02:56 AM
To hell with the casinos. Play poker online. PLO games have been good in general.
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09-27-2020 , 03:34 AM
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Originally Posted by nutella virus
Ontario casinos to open by sept 28th. Sadly no table games, and there will be a max occupancy of 50 ppl at a time. Ummm so this sucks, but it's a start...sort of..

https://www.cp24.com/mobile/news/cas...ures-1.5099895
"Some casinos", I believe the Canadian Niagara falls will not be reopened on this date. I also believe no table games (especially poker) will be opening up any time soon.
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09-27-2020 , 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Guito
"Some casinos", I believe the Canadian Niagara falls will not be reopened on this date. I also believe no table games (especially poker) will be opening up any time soon.
https://www.canadiancasinos.ca/news/...spite-changes/

Niagara will not reopen. President of Casino just confirmed that.
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10-28-2020 , 09:00 AM
If the casinos ever open back up I was thinking about supplementing my income by playing part time 2/5 weekly - 15-20 hours. I wouldn't need to win much .. maybe $20/hour.

Couple questions:

#1) pre covid would this win rate have been achievable at casino Niagara or seneca Niagara at 2/5? What about 1/3 game what win rate could you have expected. Did seneca Niagara consistently run 2/5?

#2) will the poker rooms die forever?

#3) I'm guessing the American poker room opening first .. do you see seneca Niagara beatable once it reopens? Any players they got from tourism will probably be gone?That probably leaves the older nits (who weren't necessarily good to begin with). I'm guessing the border will remain closed for a while, which poker room would that hurt more?
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10-28-2020 , 08:03 PM
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Originally Posted by LimpDitka
If the casinos ever open back up I was thinking about supplementing my income by playing part time 2/5 weekly - 15-20 hours. I wouldn't need to win much .. maybe $20/hour.

Couple questions:

#1) pre covid would this win rate have been achievable at casino Niagara or seneca Niagara at 2/5? What about 1/3 game what win rate could you have expected. Did seneca Niagara consistently run 2/5?

#2) will the poker rooms die forever?

#3) I'm guessing the American poker room opening first .. do you see seneca Niagara beatable once it reopens? Any players they got from tourism will probably be gone?That probably leaves the older nits (who weren't necessarily good to begin with). I'm guessing the border will remain closed for a while, which poker room would that hurt more?
It would hurt Niagara more but barely as the bulk of Niagara customers are Toronto players and local players.

I used to think smarter local players played at Seneca for 1/2 but now I don't know as they increased the rake tremendously since I last went and the games are really only truly crazy on Fridays after work and Saturday evenings.

The Seneca nits are still not winning players they may be bust even marginal losers who profit from promotions but most are so weak tight you probably can fold QQ preflop with confidence with these guys ie picture online rocks from 2002.

I know this only the NY State medical officers are keeping Seneca from being fully open for table games and slot machines but poker with it's lower revenue stream might not open that quickly even if NY State gives the approval for a full casino games.

On the 2/5 games Niagara was the better place as it had richer fish and more tables. Seneca during most weekdays had one short table that fills after work and then go short in the post midnight period and breaks or stays short until 4pm the next day.
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10-28-2020 , 08:37 PM
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Originally Posted by lefty rosen
It would hurt Niagara more but barely as the bulk of Niagara customers are Toronto players and local players.

I used to think smarter local players played at Seneca for 1/2 but now I don't know as they increased the rake tremendously since I last went and the games are really only truly crazy on Fridays after work and Saturday evenings.

The Seneca nits are still not winning players they may be bust even marginal losers who profit from promotions but most are so weak tight you probably can fold QQ preflop with confidence with these guys ie picture online rocks from 2002.

I know this only the NY State medical officers are keeping Seneca from being fully open for table games and slot machines but poker with it's lower revenue stream might not open that quickly even if NY State gives the approval for a full casino games.

On the 2/5 games Niagara was the better place as it had richer fish and more tables. Seneca during most weekdays had one short table that fills after work and then go short in the post midnight period and breaks or stays short until 4pm the next day.
I would love to play at casino niagara but I could see the border staying closed for a long time. The 2/5 game that got going after work.. was it beatable ? How was the competition,? Ever anyone other than regs?
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10-28-2020 , 10:06 PM
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Originally Posted by LimpDitka
I would love to play at casino niagara but I could see the border staying closed for a long time. The 2/5 game that got going after work.. was it beatable ? How was the competition,? Ever anyone other than regs?
I used to play the Seneca 1/2 game but a few of the 2/5 fish used to play in the 1/2 games when they were waiting for a seat and they were awful, if you just pick on them you can beat the game.

On Saturdays they usually had a main game and must move so that was another set of players. I suspect most regulars weren't better than 1/2 regulars but I can't say for sure.

Live the skill difference isn't like online, bigger games usually means the players have more gamble in them or have deeper pockets.
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10-28-2020 , 10:23 PM
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Originally Posted by lefty rosen
I used to play the Seneca 1/2 game but a few of the 2/5 fish used to play in the 1/2 games when they were waiting for a seat and they were awful, if you just pick on them you can beat the game.

On Saturdays they usually had a main game and must move so that was another set of players. I suspect most regulars weren't better than 1/2 regulars but I can't say for sure.

Live the skill difference isn't like online, bigger games usually means the players have more gamble in them or have deeper pockets.
How about the players at 2/5 on the Canadian side? Guessing strong regs and the fish aren't the clueless ones you'd find in 1/3? Would you equate them to 25NL online?

I guess its harder to compare considering its deepstack vs 100bb online
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02-08-2021 , 06:21 PM
Has anyone heard anything about Seneca reopening? Not questioning why they aren't reopened good for them for being responsible. But somewhat surprised given its an Indian casino and TS has been reopened for awhile. Hoping it's not a sign they may not reopen at all.
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03-13-2021 , 01:18 PM
Turning stone been opened forever. Rooms in Cleveland, pittsburgh, philadelphia, detroit, AC, maryland now all open.

Seneca?? Really hope they aren't staying closed permanently but it's starting to look that way.

Last edited by Boss716; 03-13-2021 at 01:24 PM.
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03-13-2021 , 01:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Boss716
Turning stone been opened forever. Rooms in Cleveland, pittsburgh, philadelphia, AC, maryland now all open.

Seneca?? Really hope they aren't staying closed permanently but it's starting to look that way.

Maybe when the border reopens they’ll reopen?
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03-13-2021 , 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Da_Nit
Maybe when the border reopens they’ll reopen?
I doubt thats what they are waiting for. I don't think a ton of their cash players are coming from Canada.

With basically all other rooms in the NE now open, and vaccines really ramping up in WNY, id say if we don't hear anything from them in the next month or so that's not a good sign.

It's funny because they were one of the last rooms to shut down last March.
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03-13-2021 , 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Boss716
I doubt thats what they are waiting for. I don't think a ton of their cash players are coming from Canada.

With basically all other rooms in the NE now open, and vaccines really ramping up in WNY, id say if we don't hear anything from them in the next month or so that's not a good sign.

It's funny because they were one of the last rooms to shut down last March.

Yeah no I didn’t see many Canadian players. It does however bring in traffic of people stopping by going the opposite way. I’d always play poker before crossing the border. I do think they probably need more tourists returning before they justify opening the room. For that to happen they need the border to open and they need things to return to normal.
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03-14-2021 , 10:24 PM
I agree that Seneca is mainly Americans. That having been said, NF, NY is a much bigger shithole than NF, ON, and that's really saying something. So they weren't doing well prior to Covid, so I'd imagine they'd be one of the last places to reopen. I'd think they would eventually reopen tho, I mean it's on native land, they don't exactly have a whole lot else going on. If it did open Seneca would get a FLOOD of Canadian players, as I don't think we'll have Cdn poker rooms back anytime soon, and there's a lot more Cdn players in NF, ON than there are across the border.
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03-15-2021 , 12:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Buggle
I agree that Seneca is mainly Americans. That having been said, NF, NY is a much bigger shithole than NF, ON, and that's really saying something. So they weren't doing well prior to Covid, so I'd imagine they'd be one of the last places to reopen. I'd think they would eventually reopen tho, I mean it's on native land, they don't exactly have a whole lot else going on. If it did open Seneca would get a FLOOD of Canadian players, as I don't think we'll have Cdn poker rooms back anytime soon, and there's a lot more Cdn players in NF, ON than there are across the border.
I was hoping they would use the shut down as an opportunity to move the room to the buffalo casino. It would do much better there IMO.
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03-15-2021 , 10:58 AM
Is there sports betting now at Seneca Niagara and if so did they move it into the poker room? If so that might be a problem?
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03-15-2021 , 10:16 PM
Someone else posted the below in the Catskills thread yesterday, may explain why Seneca has no poker yet --

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I was up at RWC this past Friday, and went over the check out the poker room. I was also able to speak with a floor person sitting there. The tables have partitions, and they have had them in place for 4 month apparently. But, under state rules/guidance, players still may not touch cards. So, that means no poker until regulations change (which I don't think they have since reopening in September). The floor told me, when they spoke with NYS, that the state suggested they "deal poker face up" like they do in Let It Ride (where players get 3 down cards typically). So obviously that won't work.

So, if I was a gambling man I would bet the state doesn't change guidance until at least June 1, but, the casino seems ready to open he room as soon as it can. I would be happy to be wrong and for things to happen sooner.
Turning Stone currently offering poker, or only the casino is open?
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03-15-2021 , 10:19 PM
Haha the government official told them to deal poker face up. Sounds like they where bsing when they said that but still a good story.
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03-15-2021 , 10:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Buggle
Someone else posted the below in the Catskills thread yesterday, may explain why Seneca has no poker yet --



Turning Stone currently offering poker, or only the casino is open?
Their poker room has been open since like last June. Seven handed, no plexiglass, mandatory masks, no food in he poker room. They are now busier than they were pre-pandemic, probably because other local rooms remain closed.

They had 26-27 tables on Sunday per Bravo.
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03-16-2021 , 06:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Buggle
Someone else posted the below in the Catskills thread yesterday, may explain why Seneca has no poker yet --



Turning Stone currently offering poker, or only the casino is open?
This has nothing to do with it. Seneca is an Indian casino, similar to TS. TS poker room has been open for months.
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08-08-2021 , 06:29 PM
Any news on Seneca Niagara's Poker Room? Is it closed for good?
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08-09-2021 , 06:19 PM
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Originally Posted by tiledonk
Any news on Seneca Niagara's Poker Room? Is it closed for good?
No one knows. They have provided 0 updates.

A lot of rumors are going around.

Closed for good
Opening in September
Have started contacting staff but no one wants to come back
Moving the room to the Buffalo casino

Have heard all those, none from a source more reliable than the others.

If I had to guess, it won't be reopening anytime soon.
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