This one tiny bs update and then months of silence thing they’re doing regarding these casinos is annoying

I was really shocked to look at Foxwoods on Bravo the other night and only see 6 games running. I thought that place was the east coast Commerce.

It used to be the only option once upon a time…

It was Vegas AC and Foxwoods.

Now you have Mohegan sun poker, twin river RI, and Encore Boston MA as direct competitors. You also have a handful of card rooms in NH taking some business.

As well as competitors in PA, NJ, and NY.

Foxwoods isn’t totally dead though. They spread 1-3 tables of 2-5plo daily.

https://www.crainsnewyork.com/politi...mptroller-says

Behind a paywall, but unless there's some very surprising argument in the article, why in the world would anyone consider the situation for upstate casinos similar to what's to be in NYC? Downstate has way more people, way higher income and wealth, and way more tourists.

https://www.playny.com/silverstein-p...no-renderings/

Sounds pretty dope, does the fact that Parx runs arguably the best poker room in the northeast lean this proposal towards or away from a poker room should they get the nod? I'm still of the mind that it's the favorite that at least one of the casinos has a poker room, but if this one got the license and didn't have a poker room that would be terrible.

https://www.playny.com/setting-odds-...te-ny-casinos/

First article I've seen throwing any type of shade at RW's chances, the argument also seems weird. RW is underwhelming but EC is MGM which operates 3 of the best casinos on the east coast, but the article doesn't actually say much about the success of EC itself. Tbh though if RW getting passed over means Citifield is a lock, I'm fully on board.

Long Island unions v citizen opposition, interesting way to frame it, hope they don't get it.

Not sure why Times Square is positioned here as more likely than Hudson Yards or the Avenir. Seems like any midtown location gets a lot of the same benefits, and there's probably way less opposition at the other two compared to Times Square

That second article is weird with a lot of strange leaps of logic and opinions stated as fact. This line in reference to the Hudson yards, UN, and Ferry Point location is specifically strange - as it seems like this guy thinks we all need to drive to a casino:

All three of these projects are intriguing. But none of them are actually viable for any number of reasons, namely location. The proposed sites for these three projects are dreadful for average customers.

How do you think it has been ruined?

They can be hit or miss these days I feel. Some weekends I look and they've got 15+ games running of differing varieties & other days only like 6 games as you mentioned. That being said, I wish Foxwoods was closer to where I am, its pretty much the only room in the NE that consistently runs mix or limit games (stud, o8, etc).

Multiple games of 20/40 Stud going right now. Stud high? Never see that anywhere. Sounds fun.

anyone who thinks that the guys running underground games in NYC and surrounding areas have ANY influence on whether these casinos get poker rooms is literally smoking crack. i play in these games regularly and most are no longer connected to any kind of bigger organization (the way some manhattan clubs were 15 years ago). it's a loose and cutthroat ecosystem of marginal hustlers, most of whom are total degens that need to swap action and players with other games just to clear their own sheets. your average small to mid stakes game runner is raking 10-20k in a night max, often less, paying out 2-3 other people plus overhead, and losing half of their net either at the table themselves or putting marginal house players in the game just to keep it running. plus they are trying to collect sheets and manage payments between 4 different electronic platforms with some cash mixed in. for every guy who runs a game for 5 years steady, there are two more that go for 6 months and then flake when the pyramid collapses.

I haven't seen anyone suggest that underground games have an influence on anything that happens with the casinos, so, not sure where you got that.

You are mostly write about the guys who are doing this with an aim to make significant money doing this. Most fail. However, there are tons of super small games amongst smaller circles of people that are completely on the up and up and don't have the problems you describe. The trick is, you have to know people and where to find these games. Not many of them are discoverable other than knowing the host.

It is opinionated but one point made a lot of sense to me. The picking three different spots instead of the 2 racinos to rake in more money to the city. If that happens poker will take forever to be brought to nyc lol

Totally agree but I didn’t read that as his point which was each location is bad for the “average customer” despite the fact that each is either a $2.75 subway ride or maybe $4 ferry ride away from ~ 8 million people.

Yonkers is a little more annoying to get to via public transportation but still a $10-20 taxi easily beats a train and then Uber to parx or bus ride to ac

i haven't checked this thread in a while so maybe others have moved past it, but see post #1051 for example.

to be clear, i'm not complaining about any of the above - it is what it is - just trying to point out why it's so silly to think that the underground scene will have any bearing on whether casinos offer poker.

$2.90 subways ride ** 🤣🤣

Yup that fare hike gonna make a huge difference lol

I must be smoking crack lol…

And yes these games are all just passing money around creating money out of thin air w their sheets.

But ya I think there’s some organized factions slowing down every political process so why not gambling.

Got rid of the poker host
Got rid of comp rooms for poker
Have to beg like a dog to get your food comps added to your card when it used to be automatic
Lazy /incompetent floor and dealers
No calls ins
No texts for your seat
Cage closed half the time
The room is a shell of itself
Parx despite having no hotel, no good restaurants etc and a much smaller poker room has more tables running than borgata

They had about a 3 month head start on parx when the poker room reopened in 2020 and instead of doing things to steal business from parx they pushed everyone to parx once it opened.

I'm sure I'm missing a few things

I actually finally just got around to reading this article.

David Danzis is a very well respected gaming journalist, so it was really surprising to see him throw shade at RW, like BrianR said. While it is definitely an editorial, it was really interesting to see his read on things. Not only that RW might not be a shoe in, but if they aren't, that Citi Field is definitely getting one. I also found that kind of shocking to read. I wouldn't be surprised if he's heard some grumblings, and where there's smoke...

I would actually love it if Citi Field got a license over RW. I personally think that it's gonna be RW + EC + Wynn, but I want to be wrong. If I had a choice, I would choose Caesar'sTS/CitiHardRock/ThorConey, in that order, but that's just me caring about myself lol

Caesar's/Citi/EC would be a pretty great outcome for the three licenses

Haha, he is a Jersey/AC guy, so he definitely sees things through that prism. While certainly offbase, I don't doubt that he has some inside knowledge. Maybe the pols are worried/focused with pulling clientele from nearby outside of the city like Jersey City/Hoboken/Stamford... But yeah, we ain't driving no where lol

I was actually surprised to see his comment about the UN idea on the East Side as being logistically impossible. It's a giant hole in the ground. This seems to me, a real estate critter, as a "stay in your lane" kind of thing. I don't know if his expertise is in what is possible from a civil engineering standpoint...

Either way, it's interesting to read the article under the prism of "ok, this guy knows what he's talking about in general about what's going on, but maybe not this one specific thing" while trying to pull nuggets of wisdom from the article

If it was TS, Citi, CI, I would be sooooooooo happy lmao

I am actually thinking about buying something on Coney as a summer home, so we can get a break from the city and be on the beach all summer. Coney would be pretty cool and I'm guessing the plans for the CI ferry stop would instantly be revived.

However, my read has always been that it's probably the least likely option, and this article did nothing to dispel that.

That being said, still a long way to go. The mayor has a say and he can be bought, for sure

I am not a cash game player. My opinion is based on tournaments poker.

If passing grade is 40 , before MGM Borgata in my book was 90+.

After MGM took over Borgata is on downward slide -10.

I haven’t seen 180* turn around for worse for any Poker Room. !!

I am not sure if a poker room’s success entirely depends on Poker Room’s Manager or not. But my presumption is it does. Based on that I think when Borgata Upper Management moved previous Manager Tab , it started going down.