If there’s a poker room in manhattan i’m playing poker FT lolol

Manhattan might be a dub initially if it’s a small space, but the other two should have ample room for it

I really don't think the Manhattan casino is going to be so small it can't host a poker room. The only sites that really worry me about space are the Saks idea, and the East River idea. Everything else would pretty much be built from scratch. They know they'll be building one of the most popular casinos in the world, that will continually generate huge sums of money. If it is something new, I think it will be a bigger casino than most people here are thinking.

For those who don't know, the new idea is Stephen Ross/Related are trying to make happen, was for them to team up with a casino operator. Related is one of the bigger developers in Manhattan and all of their buildings are big, "luxury" doorman buildings with nice apartments (I am a real estate agent in NYC). Any casino that ends up being built by related is going to be huge, go all out, and be absolutely beautiful. Same goes for anything built by SL Green. I also heard Extell is trying to make something happen, and their buildings are pretty much the nicest in the city. All of these developers build buildings with lots of over the top amenities (pools, gyms, dog spa's, recording rooms, basketball courts, media rooms, lounges, etc etc), any casino they build is going to go all out.

Sounds like rake there will be insane

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Even if it's 10% up to $12 + $1 it's still very likely beatable. And I doubt it will be close to that.

Why do poker players literally always have to find stuff to moan about? Even in this hypothetical situation!? Absolutely ****ing boring.

Check out the Rivers Casino (Des Plaines, IL) thread to see what I'm on about. We've got this amazing new room in Chicago and people are just finding an epic list of nonsense stuff to moan about.

Think you guys are underestimating New Jersey building a mega casino at/near meadowlands. It will take 3 months of no revenue to end all the only in a.c. casino talk....

Idk who will end up with top poker room, but there will be something moving north on the jersey side.

anyone from nyc westchester etc who has played at parx or ac has been paying for hotel rooms, gas and toll rape to be able to play so truthfully they could double the rake and my expenses to play would basically stay the same

Yeah I think the NYC casino has to happen first and then someone in AC will have to play defense by building in American Dream. Supposedly any non-AC casino in NJ would have to apportion x % of revenues to make AC casinos whole.

lol that's hilarious and insane if true
45 year monopoly not good enough i guess

You know what I can’t find anything like that online. Ignore my last post I have no clue where I got that from.

IIRC it was part of what was put to the voters—because allowing non-AC casinos has to be done by referendum—a few years back. To get people to be OK with taking revenue from AC, some of the state's share from wherever up north would go to...I want to say the AC development corp. Because it's not just the casino companies, who can afford it, who will suffer if northern NJ can have casinos.

No more comped rooms in AC?

Totally agree, and I have been saying this. NJ will retaliate. It is only a matter of time. So, I think we'll be fine. We'll be getting a huge poker room within an hour of us, accessible by public transportation. Either way you spin in, it's a huge improvement over what we have now.

No, you're right about this. I believe it was only proposed and never made it into an actual law proposal, since the referendum failed, which is probably why you can't find much online.

Yes, there was definitely language and mechanisms within the ballot initiative to the affect of "we'll give AC x% of our revenue". Honestly, a bill will not pass without it.

Personally, I would like if they gave the existing casinos in AC first dibbs on the licenses in Northern NJ to make up for it partially, instead. Also, because I want to see a CET Property close by.

AC isn't Vegas by any means so in this day and age there are too many casinos there trying to all survive. When they were the only other location in the U.S. outside of Vegas that had casinos, yes they needed 12 of them because the demand was there, I remember 10+ years ago every casino was packed and busses came in and out by the hundreds per hour but today with casinos that are now almost everywhere, these politicians need to realize they're trying to save tax revenue from those AC casinos but it will never generate the revenue that one or two NNJ/Meadowlands casinos would of brought in ainec so instead of making a lot more money, they're just trying to keep the money they're still trying to squeeze out of AC and not accepting that the times have changed.

Agreed. Which is why it will eventually happen, but they need to feel the pain of losing what I would guess is about 1/3rd of their customers overnight once RW and EC have table games licenses to do anything about it. It will happen, though. There's too much money involved for it not to happen

This sounds promising

That was actually part of it. Existing operators in the state would have had the first six months to propose projects, and then open bidding only if they didn't. And $200 million/year would have gone to AC, declining after that.

The no vote was 77%. Some of the opposition will, of course, be moved by the loss of revenue to NY with no benefits returned. How much, we'll just have to wait and see.

They're still in competition with AC and PA, people who live in the city have probably already been playing much higher rake even if they did increase it but they would still lose all the players who are from NNJ and care about being raked off.

I would rather drive an hour and 40 min to parx and pay $25 in tolls instead of commuting an hour to NYC while waiting for buses and trains only to pay more in rake.

If the whales and money flow is crazy in ny like that you might be singing a different tune.

Because cashing out at a NYC casino and getting on the subway with stacks of hundreds is just fine. I'm sure you know the story of the guy who got followed home from Parx and got killed. Put a casino in NYC and this will be a monthly occurrence.

Do you live here?

that's why I always ask for 50's at the cage - while all the smug idiots with stacks of hundreds are getting jacked left and right on the subway, I skate under the radar

You have to win first before worrying about this issue. And if it was such an issue you’d hear more issue happening at yonkers or queens, which has people going to the casino via the A train

Seriously though I kinda feel the same way. Either way, the prospect of poker in NNJ is a lot more appealing to me than NYC.

North New Jersey had a chance they voted it down. They’re a non factor now for New York area players.