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01-17-2019 , 06:50 PM
tremendous LOL at puck being a self proclaimed expert developer and spending $10k monthly rent on a place with a leaky roof

couldnt have happened to a nicer guy
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01-18-2019 , 02:30 AM
Heres another updated article and somehow puck even comes off worse in this one

- lease says tenant is responsible for all building repairs

- landlord has a $125,000 judgment against puck for being in rent arrears since fall 2017

- they are going to rightfully seize the casino assets to pay his debts

- puck is refusing to comply acting indignant as usual claiming they are “stealing his life savings” for expecting to get the money he owes them

https://www.unionleader.com/news/bus...e94e0c466.html

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01-18-2019 , 10:10 AM
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Originally Posted by shhh
Heres another updated article and somehow puck even comes off worse in this one

- lease says tenant is responsible for all building repairs

- landlord has a $125,000 judgment against puck for being in rent arrears since fall 2017

- they are going to rightfully seize the casino assets to pay his debts

- puck is refusing to comply acting indignant as usual claiming they are “stealing his life savings” for expecting to get the money he owes them

https://www.unionleader.com/news/bus...e94e0c466.html
I read the court transcript he posted. My first takeaway is how childish and unprofessional he comes off. It's one thing to do that on Facebook but in a court where you're trying to seek relief? Come on. Apparently he needs headphones to hear, so they give them to him and throughout the beginning he responds fine. The minute the landlords' attorney begins to question him, he goes deaf and makes them repeat themselves over and over. He plays stupid when asked simple questions about what is in the lease knowing full well they have it there so they can read from it.

The other thing I got out of it was wondering how in the hell he lasted 20 years in real estate development and construction. He inspected the property himself (hope it was worth saving a few hundred dollars with a professional inspector). The property was basically described by everyone as dilapidated. Parking lot overgrown and needing to be graded and repaved, building not touched since the 60s, etc. Yet somehow he thought he was only going to need to spend $500k to rehab it? All that experience for 20 years and he signs a lease that requires him to pay for all repairs, improvements, etc with no cap? Supposedly he was well versed in the charitable gaming licensing requirements before he meets the landlords, yet allowed a clause in the lease which specifically says the landlords are not required to sign any permits or applications? 20 years experience and he is comfortable taking non-descript verbal promises about it being ok to not pay rent for a year or getting some kind of consideration from the landlords for all the money he's spending improving their property?

And then his assertion that Manchester and Chasers owners approached the landlords through an agent to express interest in the property should Puck fail. Even if that were true, I'm sure it isn't the first time a property owner with a struggling tenant was approached by another business expressing interest. And even if the landlords did intentionally refuse to sign off on Puck's gaming application to shut him down in May 2018 (doubtful) so they could rent the space to someone else, why would that be so evil? He hasn't paid rent in a year! If I were the landlord I wouldn't have given him from February (when they were supposedly approached) to May, he would have received a demand and an eviction notice sometime in February or March. And they didn't try to evict him until it was apparent his license was being revoked. At that point, what expectation would they have that he was ever going to pay them?

Rent is stated as $10k per month, Puck says the utilities are $15-18k per month for a total of at least $25k each month just to run the building. Yet the charitable gaming newsletter says charities got $6k in November from Cheers. That is after paying Cheers $750/day for using the facility. So the total revenue should be somewhere around $67,000 for the month. Since they were closed the first 7 days of November, that means one could expect about $91,000 gross revenue if open the full month and about $8600 going to charities (less than $300/day) while Puck should have about $85,000 in revenue leaving $60,000 with which to pay staff and other bills each month (if November business is typical). All this without counting food and beverage revenue. So why not pay what you owe? And he certainly was busier before being closed down for the license issue, so why not pay at least part of your rent back then? In the court transcript the judge only ordered him to pay $2309/week. That's just the ongoing rent, they weren't even making him come current on the past due! So strange.

Oh and for good measure, caught him in another lie. In his "closed for roof repair" post last week he indicated there are no roof drains. Yet in the planning board minutes from before they opened his agent indicated they were completely reworking the roof drain system so that it wouldn't flow into the abutting wetlands. So there were drains and he removed them? Or there are drains up there and he lied about there not being any? New England General Discussion - Poker Room List in OP

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01-18-2019 , 10:54 AM
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I read the court transcript he posted. My first takeaway is how childish and unprofessional he comes off. It's one thing to do that on Facebook but in a court where you're trying to seek relief? Come on. Apparently he needs headphones to hear, so they give them to him and throughout the beginning he responds fine. The minute the landlords' attorney begins to question him, he goes deaf and makes them repeat themselves over and over. He plays stupid when asked simple questions about what is in the lease knowing full well they have it there so they can read from it.

The other thing I got out of it was wondering how in the hell he lasted 20 years in real estate development and construction. He inspected the property himself (hope it was worth saving a few hundred dollars with a professional inspector). The property was basically described by everyone as dilapidated. Parking lot overgrown and needing to be graded and repaved, building not touched since the 60s, etc. Yet somehow he thought he was only going to need to spend $500k to rehab it? All that experience for 20 years and he signs a lease that requires him to pay for all repairs, improvements, etc with no cap? Supposedly he was well versed in the charitable gaming licensing requirements before he meets the landlords, yet allowed a clause in the lease which specifically says the landlords are not required to sign any permits or applications? 20 years experience and he is comfortable taking non-descript verbal promises about it being ok to not pay rent for a year or getting some kind of consideration from the landlords for all the money he's spending improving their property?

And then his assertion that Manchester and Chasers owners approached the landlords through an agent to express interest in the property should Puck fail. Even if that were true, I'm sure it isn't the first time a property owner with a struggling tenant was approached by another business expressing interest. And even if the landlords did intentionally refuse to sign off on Puck's gaming application to shut him down in May 2018 (doubtful) so they could rent the space to someone else, why would that be so evil? He hasn't paid rent in a year! If I were the landlord I wouldn't have given him from February (when they were supposedly approached) to May, he would have received a demand and an eviction notice sometime in February or March. And they didn't try to evict him until it was apparent his license was being revoked. At that point, what expectation would they have that he was ever going to pay them?

Rent is stated as $10k per month, Puck says the utilities are $15-18k per month for a total of at least $25k each month just to run the building. Yet the charitable gaming newsletter says charities got $6k in November from Cheers. That is after paying Cheers $750/day for using the facility. So the total revenue should be somewhere around $67,000 for the month. Since they were closed the first 7 days of November, that means one could expect about $91,000 gross revenue if open the full month and about $8600 going to charities (less than $300/day) while Puck should have about $85,000 in revenue leaving $60,000 with which to pay staff and other bills each month (if November business is typical). All this without counting food and beverage revenue. So why not pay what you owe? And he certainly was busier before being closed down for the license issue, so why not pay at least part of your rent back then? In the court transcript the judge only ordered him to pay $2309/week. That's just the ongoing rent, they weren't even making him come current on the past due! So strange.

Oh and for good measure, caught him in another lie. In his "closed for roof repair" post last week he indicated there are no roof drains. Yet in the planning board minutes from before they opened his agent indicated they were completely reworking the roof drain system so that it wouldn't flow into the abutting wetlands. So there were drains and he removed them? Or there are drains up there and he lied about there not being any? New England General Discussion - Poker Room List in OP

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The man is going to get arrested for trespassing. So stubborn.
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01-18-2019 , 11:55 AM
Is anyone here familiar with the law enough/local poker scene to make an educated guess on what ultimately happens with the whole Cheers situation?



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01-18-2019 , 12:14 PM
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Is anyone here familiar with the law enough/local poker scene to make an educated guess on what ultimately happens with the whole Cheers situation?



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From what the August transcript showed, it would appear there may be an argument that Puck has significantly improved the owner's property then the owner may owe him something. However, in contract law the courts aren't usually interested in judging the fairness of a contract, just that it was a legitimate contract when signed and the parties acted in good or bad faith when executing it. I could sell you my home for $10. It might not seem fair, but if I signed a properly formatted contract then you get my home and I get $10.

As for another poker room opening there, that would probably be difficult. Yes, the space is much bigger than Chasers but Puck has done a great job driving people away from that address. Even under new ownership, it would take a good long while to get a decent amount of people thru the door. Then you have to compete with the already established Chasers down the street. If Chasers bought it, now you have to worry about vacating a turnkey location directly off the highway exit that someone could swoop in and setup quickly. Not to mention Chasers must have invested a pretty penny in that property, and who knows what their lease says about length of term etc.

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01-18-2019 , 12:23 PM
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From what the August transcript showed, it would appear there may be an argument that Puck has significantly improved the owner's property then the owner may owe him something. However, in contract law the courts aren't usually interested in judging the fairness of a contract, just that it was a legitimate contract when signed and the parties acted in good or bad faith when executing it. I could sell you my home for $10. It might not seem fair, but if I signed a properly formatted contract then you get my home and I get $10.

As for another poker room opening there, that would probably be difficult. Yes, the space is much bigger than Chasers but Puck has done a great job driving people away from that address. Even under new ownership, it would take a good long while to get a decent amount of people thru the door. Then you have to compete with the already established Chasers down the street. If Chasers bought it, now you have to worry about vacating a turnkey location directly off the highway exit that someone could swoop in and setup quickly. Not to mention Chasers must have invested a pretty penny in that property, and who knows what their lease says about length of term etc.

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Thanks for your response.

So what happens to everything inside the Cheers facility? Are the landlords allowed to now sell it?


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01-18-2019 , 12:27 PM
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Thanks for your response.

So what happens to everything inside the Cheers facility? Are the landlords allowed to now sell it?


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That I'm not sure about because I've never rented in NH. The eviction notice states that anything left inside will be stored and tenant can retrieve it from storage if they pay the related storage fees. But if the property is abandoned they may be allowed to sell it. Doesn't sound like Puck is abandoning it though.

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01-18-2019 , 12:29 PM
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Thanks for your response.

So what happens to everything inside the Cheers facility? Are the landlords allowed to now sell it?


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The eviction notice clearly states the landlord has a maximum of 7 days to care for the possessions . After that any unclaimed belongings will be disposed of without notice to you. So I would imagine this can be auctioned off soon to help the owners recover their costs of working with a deadbeat.

IDK this legal mumbo jumbo is confusing.
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01-18-2019 , 01:14 PM
Landlord is allowed to auction off assets to pay the debt ($125,000)

Any excess $$$ or assets after that goes back to puck but I highly doubt a room of used poker tables / chips / flatscreens / kitchen equipment will even come close to covering the debt (that’s even assuming the business owned all those assets to begin with and didn’t finance them)

Absokutely no way this landlord is the first person he has stiffed and I expect other creditors to get in line after the landlord for the remaining scraps

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01-19-2019 , 09:14 AM
Time to let the Puck thing go. He no longer owns a casino. Move on.
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01-21-2019 , 04:34 PM
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Time to let the Puck thing go. He no longer owns a casino. Move on.
Nah, it's news till it settles.

New article from Eagle Tribune. Puck didn't pay dividends.

https://www.eagletribune.com/news/ch...e6d73a007.html
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01-21-2019 , 05:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Big Whoop
Nah, it's news till it settles.



New article from Eagle Tribune. Puck didn't pay dividends.



https://www.eagletribune.com/news/ch...e6d73a007.html

The amount of scam artistry that Puck possesses is astounding to me. Who would’ve thought that charming guy in the poker room would be a long standing con artist?
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01-21-2019 , 05:53 PM
A four-part series??? Not in some trade publication, this is mainstream media.

I'd call that the definition of "news".
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01-21-2019 , 07:52 PM
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Time to let the Puck thing go. He no longer owns a casino. Move on.
Hi Puck
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01-22-2019 , 12:31 AM
Wow it just keeps getting better and better... A new article just out that further exposes his douche baggery ways... You couldn't make this sh*t up if you tried!!!


https://www.eagletribune.com/news/fo...8450d9c11.html
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01-22-2019 , 07:05 AM
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The first week Cheers opened, she logged 69 hours of work. It led to an email from Dandreo that staff would only be paid for 40 hours of work and any additional hours worked would be considered volunteered time.
Can you imagine?

I remember when he was in here hyping this place. I bought ALL of it. I was actually toying with the idea of moving back to the area and going to work for him.

Oof
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01-22-2019 , 10:15 AM
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The amount of scam artistry that Puck possesses is astounding to me. Who would’ve thought that charming guy in the poker room would be a long standing con artist?
Con artists in the poker room??? Nooooooo say it isn't so!!! (insert sarcasm here) ... I'd say your statement correctly paints approximately 1/2 of the guys in any given poker room on any given day?
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01-22-2019 , 04:54 PM
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Hi Puck
Hey Mr. A** To Mouth!
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01-22-2019 , 04:58 PM
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Nah, it's news till it settles.

New article from Eagle Tribune. Puck didn't pay dividends.

https://www.eagletribune.com/news/ch...e6d73a007.html
I guess the stories are interesting.
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01-22-2019 , 05:00 PM
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I guess the stories are interesting.
For the most part, I agree with what you're saying.

We shouldn't just sit here bashing a former charity gaming casino owner.

But new stuff with merit should be shared. IMHO.
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01-22-2019 , 06:12 PM
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Hey Mr. A** To Mouth!

Did your mom kiss and tell again?
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01-22-2019 , 07:18 PM
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Hey Mr. A** To Mouth!
Haha

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For the most part, I agree with what you're saying.

We shouldn't just sit here bashing a former charity gaming casino owner.

But new stuff with merit should be shared. IMHO.
If it were about only Puck himself and nothing to do with Cheers, it's not cool to gossip it. But anything about the room, fair game.
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01-23-2019 , 10:06 AM
Just wow at those Eagle-Tribune articles. It appears as if nothing was handled well. Not one aspect of the business. Amazing.
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01-23-2019 , 10:27 AM
Latest https://www.eagletribune.com/news/ne...f241b7301.html

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