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10-08-2016 , 07:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Chip Chaser
Sure, here is some info:
1st—naturally, I bought all the chairs from The Rock! I beat everyone to that score!.....wait….that was a nightmare I had(let me check my garage)….YUP, just a nightmare.
I lol'd. And at Puck's stories, too.
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10-08-2016 , 08:46 AM
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Originally Posted by youtalkfunny
I lol'd. And at Puck's stories, too.
I was at the Rock auction and was dying to see who would buy the chairs. They were sold in lots of 100-300. 2 guys were bidding.... One guy ended up buying all the lots, for like $25 per lot. One lot was 250 chairs for $25. Ten cents a chair.... I think there were 6-800 in the entire building... And he got them all..
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10-08-2016 , 02:47 PM
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Originally Posted by youtalkfunny
I lol'd. And at Puck's stories, too.
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10-08-2016 , 02:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Bugsyyy
sounds good.
Please don't skimp on lighting. nothing worse than when you're not sure if you have the 8 of spades or 9 of clubs.
Lighting is important, we agree! We are trying to stay away from canned fluorescents though

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10-09-2016 , 09:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Puckster
I was at the Rock auction and was dying to see who would buy the chairs. They were sold in lots of 100-300. 2 guys were bidding.... One guy ended up buying all the lots, for like $25 per lot. One lot was 250 chairs for $25. Ten cents a chair.... I think there were 6-800 in the entire building... And he got them all..
He over payed by $0.09/ chair
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10-09-2016 , 09:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Chip Chaser
Sure, here is some info:
1st—naturally, I bought all the chairs from The Rock! I beat everyone to that score!.....wait….that was a nightmare I had(let me check my garage)….YUP, just a nightmare.

When you walk in, on the right side, the bar will have about 12 bar stools with a full kitchen behind it. The left side will have casual seating and some offices will run down the left wall into the security room and then the cage.
The front area will have its own look and carpet.

The poker room will have a check in/reception area at entrance. A police detail area will be close to here but against the offices.
We will have open-loft style ceilings with different lighting to handle ambiance and functionality. The room décor will be contemporary with the right amount of traditional touches.

Gaming specific—Everything will be new. Roulette wheels(2) will hopefully have the previous-dice-rolls readerboard but I have not priced it yet to confirm. We will have typical table games as well but no craps. If through lobbying etc we can one day up the standard limit bets to $5/$10, a craps table will happen.

Poker Tables—So far we like a specific company but we are looking for a smaller company to give them a good size order and help them out. No auto-shufflers and no player card swipe at the tables—and I am almost 100% certain these will not be anywhere in NH. We believe USB ports will happen though! Regarding large, built in cup-holders, we want them. We also want a simple system to instantly signify the need for waitstaff. In 2016+, the players should not have to wait for what they want! Side-tables for eating will be solid w/4 wheel-legs. An affordable and noticeable upgrade.

Chairs—We will spend the money here. It only makes sense.

Food- The more places I am visiting the more simple but quality foods I am seeing. We will jump in here. Quality Soups and Sandwiches is the starting point. Fresh Cobb, Chef, Caesar and other Salads with tasty dressing options will happen. The players want it so we will likely have fryolators and all the tasty greasy yummy stuff that goes with it. Pizza is likely as well. Quick eats.

Team—(employees, management and ownership) a strong suit for us -high standards will be expected and delivered here. Constant training, constant upgrading will be ongoing. No one will top us here, in my opinion they can’t.

Charities—A direct focus on the Salem community as that is where the business is and it just makes sense to us Salem is who should be the primary benefactor.

Hope this helps some.

Is this the plan for the Boston Billiards room or one of the "on life support" Salem rooms?
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10-09-2016 , 10:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Mr ATM
He over payed by $0.09/ chair
U guys laugh but serious ROI if he just has a place at a flea market and sells a chair for a buck a pop. No one would know where they originated from.

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10-09-2016 , 11:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Big Whoop
U guys laugh but serious ROI if he just has a place at a flea market and sells a chair for a buck a pop. No one would know where they originated from.

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I think he bought them for the scrap value. Moving and storing them alone is huge endeavor. My carpenter brain thinks all the chairs stacked by lot end yo end was about 10' wide by 40' deep ... That's a sht ton of area

..... Or, he is shipping them overseas.....

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10-09-2016 , 11:05 AM
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I think he bought them for the scrap value. Moving and storing them alone is huge endeavor. My carpenter brain thinks all the chairs stacked by lot end yo end was about 10' wide by 40' deep ... That's a sht ton of area
Either way, he's profiting off them.

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10-09-2016 , 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Big Whoop
U guys laugh but serious ROI if he just has a place at a flea market and sells a chair for a buck a pop. No one would know where they originated from.

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Find your chill dude... we are just laughing because they are the most uncomfortable grossest chairs you could ever sit in

But since you want to get all analytical on us I'll go there with you. Lets say he has 800 chairs ($80 cost) that he sells for $1 a piece at your local fleabag market as you stated. Lets assume he has enough interest to sell 25 +/- chairs per week at said fleabag market (which I think is on the high side as I'm guessing not many people are going to their local flea market looking for run down, beat up, uncomfortable chairs). This means it will take him 32 weeks to make $720 ($22.50/ week) and that's without subtracting the cost of renting said booth, the cost and time of fixing and cleaning them up for resale, the cost of his time needed to spend at said flea market for 32 weeks to sell them, not to mention the time, effort, fuel costs, and labor of moving 800 chairs from the Rock where he bought them to his garage/ warehouse to store them then to his flea market to peddle them as well as lugging the unsold chairs home from the flea market back to his house and again back to the flea market for 32 +/- weeks until they are all sold. You speak of ROI? $22.50 per week BEFORE you deduct expenses combined with the cost of your labor and your time makes the ROI of collecting bottles and cans a much more profitable endeavor.

Cliff notes version: If you take the money earned from sales minus expenses, labor, and time associated with selling them you are probably much better off selling a kidney

I apologize in advance for posting this rambling, nonsensical, manifesto of nonsense but I just couldn't help myself Although I am sorta pissed I wasted 5 minutes of my life that I can never have back

PS: Mad props to Meatwad
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10-09-2016 , 11:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Mr ATM
Find your chill dude... we are just laughing because they are the most uncomfortable grossest chairs you could ever sit in

But since you want to get all analytical on us I'll go there with you. Lets say he has 800 chairs ($80 cost) that he sells for $1 a piece at your local fleabag market as you stated. Lets assume he has enough interest to sell 25 +/- chairs per week at said fleabag market (which I think is on the high side as I'm guessing not many people are going to their local flea market looking for run down, beat up, uncomfortable chairs). This means it will take him 32 weeks to make $720 ($22.50/ week) and that's without subtracting the cost of renting said booth, the cost and time of fixing and cleaning them up for resale, the cost of his time needed to spend at said flea market for 32 weeks to sell them, not to mention the time, effort, fuel costs, and labor of moving 800 chairs from the Rock where he bought them to his garage/ warehouse to store them then to his flea market to peddle them as well as lugging the unsold chairs home from the flea market back to his house and again back to the flea market for 32 +/- weeks until they are all sold. You speak of ROI? $22.50 per week BEFORE you deduct expenses combined with the cost of your labor and your time makes the ROI of collecting bottles and cans a much more profitable endeavor.

Cliff notes version: If you take the money earned from sales minus expenses, labor, and time associated with selling them you are probably much better off selling a kidney

I apologize in advance for posting this rambling, nonsensical, manifesto of nonsense but I just couldn't help myself Although I am sorta pissed I wasted 5 minutes of my life that I can never have back New England General Discussion - Poker Room List in OP

PS: Mad props to Meatwad
As if a guy who buys that many chairs only has chairs to sell. Ok bud.

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10-09-2016 , 11:57 AM
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Is this the plan for the Boston Billiards room or one of the "on life support" Salem rooms?
I wish I could definitively state you are wrong....but I cannot. I will say we still feel strong a room or two will open in Salem.
We were hoping for a Dec 15th opening date and now, with the ZBA decision to follow whatever agenda they have going on, a 5-month setback isn't a crazy thought process.
Also, other than the obvious issues of the charities being hurt for 5+months and terrific employees being hurt for 5+ months and all of us awesome players either playing elsewhere or not playing often at all--it is also a key 5+ months of being open before the Wynn in Everett opens. The long term impact of that loss is unknown.
Still, we stay committed and we push push push. We believe in what we are doing and why we are doing it, so what else is there to do but push forward with the best attitude and strategy we can.
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10-09-2016 , 12:21 PM
Barely anyone will play the Salem rooms once Wynn Everett opens. You're gonna have buses leaving a designated spot on 28 every hour or 2. Just like the Asian buses with stops in Methuen, Lawrence, Lowell, and Worcester that go to Mohegan 2 or 3 times a day. Beside that Everett will be a 20 minute car ride for a much better gaming experience.
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10-09-2016 , 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Big Whoop
As if a guy who buys that many chairs only has chairs to sell. Ok bud.

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Ok Bud...Just pointing out that no matter what you are, or are not selling that dealing with something so cumbersome and so consuming of time, labor and effort just doesn't make sense after all the factors are considered. It's alot of work for not alot of cheddar.

It would be much more profitable for said flea market guy to keep selling his knock off handbags, velvet Elvis paintings, and counterfeit DVD's... much more profit and easier to tote to and from the fleabag market every week. Are you so butt hurt because you're the guy who bought them? JK JK
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10-09-2016 , 12:25 PM
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Ok Bud...Just pointing out that no matter what you are, or are not selling that dealing with something so cumbersome and so consuming of time, labor and effort just doesn't make sense after all the factors are considered. It's alot of work for not alot of cheddar.

It would be much more profitable for said flea market guy to keep selling his knock off handbags, velvet Elvis paintings, and counterfeit DVD's... much more profit and easier to tote to and from the fleabag market every week. Are you so butt hurt because you're the guy who bought them? JK JK
Haha. Butthurt? I ain't even mad or annoyed. You crazy. I'm gonna go watch football.

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10-09-2016 , 12:34 PM
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Haha. Butthurt? I ain't even mad or annoyed. You crazy. I'm gonna go watch football.

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It was a joke bro hence the "JK JK" = Just kidding
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10-09-2016 , 12:42 PM
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It was a joke bro hence the "JK JK" = Just kidding
The only butts that will hurt will be whomever uses those chairs in the future.

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10-09-2016 , 12:45 PM
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The only butts that will hurt will be whomever uses those chairs in the future.

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LMAO .... True 'dat
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10-10-2016 , 12:28 PM
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Barely anyone will play the Salem rooms once Wynn Everett opens. You're gonna have buses leaving a designated spot on 28 every hour or 2. Just like the Asian buses with stops in Methuen, Lawrence, Lowell, and Worcester that go to Mohegan 2 or 3 times a day. Beside that Everett will be a 20 minute car ride for a much better gaming experience.
This is the unknown and what makes the 5+ months of Wynn free Poker the ZBA just took from us really have an impact on our strategy.

It is easy to know the Wynn will take some business. But, there is a valid thought that it could be limited to less than 20%. Sadly, there is a valid thought that it could take 50%, ugh.

I believe a 20% loss will cause one of the Salem rooms to close while one can still produce enough for the charities and the business owner, allowing for a good Poker Player experience. This is the scenario we are counting on.

At 50% we both die because nothing is more unfun for me(and others) than when I go into a room with hardly any tables being used. The likelihood of me going back again is not great. So 50% becomes 100% in my opinion.
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10-10-2016 , 01:30 PM
Anyone catch The Simpsons last night? They traveled to Boston. Lots of area references as well as mocking of the Patriots/fans/etc. I thought it was pretty funny.
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10-10-2016 , 01:36 PM
I would guess the loss of players will be more than 20%. Possibly closer to 50%.

I expect you will lose 85%+ of MA players south of 495, and a good percentage of players north of 495.

Mixed game, higher stake, and tournament players will also disappear.

you'll still have a number of local and NH players that prefer not to drive down to Everett, but with the charity overhead and other limitations, is it worth it running for a dozen or less $1/$2 tables?

It does seem like a very costly 5 (?) months which you could use to defray your ROI.

Florida supports poker rooms all over the coastlines, in some areas 5-10 miles apart. But, they don't have the same restrictions that you have to deal with.
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10-10-2016 , 03:45 PM
With a planned 96 table poker room it's quite clear that Wynn will be trying 100% to crush all other poker rooms in New England. They are not just dipping their toe's in the pool they are diving in head first!!!
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10-10-2016 , 07:08 PM
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I think a significant number of players like myself from MA will head to Nashua. Just as easy to head up Rte 3 instead of 93, especially if the environment is safer up there.
I live near rt 3 and 93. Better room gets my business. What's the timeline looking like these days in terms of a room opening in Salem or Boston billiards?

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Remember what they said in the Money Pit "two weeks". That will not be the case here. As with most projects, the buildout is the easiest and fastest part of the process.


Not to be a super nit but for some reason this always erks me. Punctuation goes inside quotation marks. "Like this."

Good luck on the room puck, sounds amazing. Tables with auto shufflers in NH would be sick.

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Poker Tables—So far we like a specific company but we are looking for a smaller company to give them a good size order and help them out. No auto-shufflers and no player card swipe at the tables—and I am almost 100% certain these will not be anywhere in NH.
Why are you certain of this? Just cause your planning on buying cheap tables from a startup company doesn't mean others are.

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Barely anyone will play the Salem rooms once Wynn Everett opens. You're gonna have buses leaving a designated spot on 28 every hour or 2. Just like the Asian buses with stops in Methuen, Lawrence, Lowell, and Worcester that go to Mohegan 2 or 3 times a day. Beside that Everett will be a 20 minute car ride for a much better gaming experience.
You forget about degens like me who can't trust themselves around table games (with higher then 4$ max bets) and sloots.

Hey puck- I don't know anything about the process, but my family knows a few people who have a lot of pull in NH. Please PM me some names and I'll speak to my father. Really wanna see this room come to fruition.

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10-10-2016 , 09:17 PM
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Anyone catch The Simpsons last night? They traveled to Boston. Lots of area references as well as mocking of the Patriots/fans/etc. I thought it was pretty funny.
Hilarious! The writers did some serious research. Hit every note.
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10-11-2016 , 12:25 AM
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Punctuation goes inside quotation marks. "Like this."
But sometimes it shouldn't (like this).

I know you're correct, but I deliberately do it the wrong way, "as a protest".
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