Heck, I'd probably snapcall that for my entire bankroll if it'd save me another six months of grinding 2/5. Rebuilding doesn't take that long, it's moving up to 5/10 that's taking me forever.

shove it in as fast you can you might not live to see it win!

I think math based decisions are optimal way to play poker, live or online. I don't think Sklansky, Chen, Harrington theories are specific to live or online, just poker in general. This is site is called 2+2 for a reason!

Of course, it seems to me that there are many spots that are ++++EV live where inexperienced villains get it in very bad. So given that typical game condition, passing up a small +EV spot seems ok since a better EV spot will materialize in short amount of time.

However, I still wouldn't fold AA preflop.

Bankroll restrictions should never be a factor, IMO. If you are not rolled, you should play lower stakes that will allow you to make the optimal play at all times (or seek a staking agreement).

If I am ever in a position where I am holding the best hand and cannot pull the trigger because I am playing with money I cannot afford to lose, I need to re-evaluate why I am sitting at that table in the first place.

Hence why staking arrangements exist :P.

Well, good thing that I didn't miss much in this thread by playing last night.
How is this convo still going?????

NEVER FOLD THE NUTS PREFLOP!

Moving on....I am proof that you can be dealt the hottest run of cards of your poker career and have nothing to show for it. In a 4 hour session, I was dealt As(3xs), Ks(3xs), Qs(2xs), AK(5xs), AQ(3xs), AJ(4xs), and, while I was on this hot streak, made no money. Raise and take it every time.
I did end up well over a buyin though, so YAY!

Obviously I agree with you if you're talking about folding aces with the money you have on the table.

However, the other situation (in the other thread) has nothing to do with bankroll restrictions. It's not about lowering the stakes your playing. It's about taking half of your entire bankroll and putting it on Aces vs 27off. What people fail to think about is the negative consequences of losing the hand. Sure, you're a statistical favorite, I don't need Pokerstove to tell me I'm ahead. But building a cushiony bankroll takes a lot of mental anguish. When you lose half of it, you're going to have to drop down in stakes and grind it out. It's mentally exhausting, and many people have a hard time playing lower for many various and obvious reasons (hi ego). So sure, you can double your bankroll (which might get to your head if you play higher where you can lose it quicker at the higher stakes), or you can lose half and drop down to where they don't respect your raises.

Oh hello Ms. Igothitwiththedeck.

Profiting 1 BI = money made, lol.

Being hit with the deck happened within the first hour and a half. The profit came from the last hour or so.
I forgot to mention my flopped quads that netted me $10

Sometimes all it takes is one pf raise w/ 42o and showing it to get more action. I also love the reactions the rare times a hand like that hits and I win a big pot.

"You raised with 42?? And the flop was A53?? I knew you didn't have the ace, that's why I called off my entire stack with my 7's."

"You were right, I didn't have the ace." =) Then smile and stack the chips.

Sorry but this is totally absurd thinking. It'd be like if you bought into a winner take all tournament for half your bankroll and got it to heads up with a 7 to 1 chip lead, and then agreed to an unequal chop where you get your buy-in back and he gets the rest of the prizepool.

It's not absurd thinking, it's recognizing the negative consequences of losing that will affect the way I play in the future. Sure, if my bankroll is $1000, I'll put half of it on the line, whatever. But if my roll is like 50k, why would I risk 25k to win 25k.

This is exactly the point. You should not risk high amount of money even
if you are 8/1 favorite , because in a case of negative first event outcome it will destroy or seriously damage your chances to catch up with statistics.

Let's say you play HU with A,A vs 72o for half of your BR two times and loose
both times. Now you have 0 in your BR, which means you cannot play any more. And chances here are just slightly better then to roll 1,1 on 2 dices.

Yeah, please spare me your comments on my "absurd" thinking, because I'd like to see your ego not get in the way when you're grinding out "cheeseburger" stakes when previously you were playing for... well, really expensive steaks.

Haven't you heard of anyone taking a shot and losing their entire bankroll because they didn't/couldn't grind it out at low stakes?

If a possible outcome would drastically affect your life (poker or otherwise), it's often better to sacrifice EV and not gamble.

Positive example: I'm on Deal or No Deal, and there's 2 cases left, the $500k and the $0.01. The banker offers $200k. Obviously -EV, but I'm taking that in a heartbeat, because that drastically changes my life.

Negative example: The AA v 72o. If I lose, I'm screwed. I'll be playing with scared money now. As a 1-2 player, I can't move down either. Obviously -EV, but I'm walking away from that hand, because playing and losing drastically changes my life (poker-wise). edit: assuming it's difficult to replenish BR by other means.

But this is exactly my point, I have had discussions with people who are obviously skilled enough to play 2/5, but know that they lack the bankroll to play it--a very intelligent move.

People commonly move up through stakes by having others staking them at a lower limit, using the stake to fund the current level, build a roll through other activities without having to deal with the mental anguish of the possibility of loss, and eventually reach the higher level while providing a lucrative arrangement to the backer.

If you cannot afford to play 1/2 but are good, ask someone for some support, show him/her your skills, and convince him that playing with staked money is beneficial to both parties. Then proceed to dominate the competition by using your full arsenal of play, free of "scared money syndrome".

I have found it to be great in the past, as both a stakee and a staker

I am going to be in the area tomorrow (Wednesday) for work and was thinking of stopping in for some poker in the afternoon. (2 or 3)

Was wondering what types of games I can expect to find..1-2 nl, 2-5 nl...Am I better off heading over to Foxwoods at that time?!?

1/2 and 2/5 are always a "go", and there is a $10K guaranteed tourney at 7:30.

Now, that is the best I've heard on this channel in awhile Someone who has to put bread on the "Table", not the Poker Table Will understand what your saying
Not all of us can go to work til 4PM, & then spend the nite @ the SUN.......
The $1/$2 tables are full of Idiots, who'll call a $40 re-raise on the DRAW, all day long, & still think they're play'n Angles, or Odds.....
Hell I try reading them, & I've come to realize, that you can't read a player who don't know what they have in there hand........
Well said Lattimer....

That's a coin flip IWSJ's.........the Sun has the tourny, so more dead $$$....

By the way Cat, I played with your buddy you went to the Sox charity even with on Saturday, begins with an M, awesome guy! Although turning quad Jacks on me is not very nice .

I'd gladly give you 2 Cheeseburgers tomarrow, for a Cheese Burger today............................

I luv'd watching Popeye as a kid............

I flop'd quad Jacks today, ck'd to the river & he bet, min raise by me, QUADS are a pain to play on the flop.........

I flop'd quad Jacks today, ck'd to the river & he bet, min raise by me, QUADS are a pain to play on the flop.........
Time now to throw a steak on the Grill........

Opps double post........

Trust me, I know all about being ck'd to the river. With JJ on a TT852r board, and staring down a pot-sized stab on the river. >_>

This thread is pure comedy.

I love the Mohegan Sun!

It is, sometimes for all the wrong reasons >_>.

Anyone else playing in the guarantee tomorrow? I may if I am in the area.