no offense meant by this but this is why poker games will never dry up. There are even winning players over time that have such fundamental flaws and leaks in their game not to mention losing players. There will always be spots to make money.

[QUOTE=ImDaMan;19408023]"Older Guy hit a set".

Yeah when you called my c/r I knew I was definitely behind, was hoping to iso the spew kid....I think I played the hand bad overall though considering my position (sb).
I'm sure ill play with you more this summer.

Lol ya you took them well. I usually shrug when I take beats like that too...when you see so many hands online getting sucked out on isn't as bad live anymore.

As a converted online player, +1 to this

I think I may understand what toothpick is trying to say. I remember reading somewhere that a mistake some players make is to play AA in pots that are too large. What the writer meant was that some players overvalue AA and forget it alone is still only 1 pair and that when facing heavy aggression or multiple players 1 pair often isn't enough. (For example, look at xbeatax's post about "grandma") So those beginning players will oftentimes win small pots with AA because they bet/raise so big but will then lose very large pots when they don't know it is okay to fold them (post flop of course)

If this is what you are thinking of toothpicker, you're right to always be cognisant of the size of the pot and to try to keep the pot size in par with the strength of your hand, but when dealing with AA (in cash games) this only applies to post flop play.

Absolutely

Ya I think the problem is he keeps talking pre.
I b/f AA on sat night that is no big deal.
Much different than folding them PF

This thread has some serious Mohegan logic in it. <3 it, pure lolz.

^needsmoreluv

ya we are talking about a whole different thing when talking postflop. the hypothetical situation is still an interesting discussion

You summed up the aces discussion perfectly with this.

Almost, but not quite. Substitute "non satty MTT" with Cash Game and it's perfect.

Lol, i misinterpreted it, really bad. Obv there is no justification to folding AA preflop except in a satty. but yaaaaaa my reading comprehension is terrible as of late.

Me too, on a turn with 4 DIAMONDS!!!

So why would you fold the Ad?? lol, jk

The way I was running on Saturday, I doubt I would have the A if my hand had 4 aces in it.

ya but if the other dude has AA too then you have no outs. and the dudes with lower pairs each have 2 outs. so obv if it's all in all in all in then you can fold cuz you can't improve and you can only win half the pot. don't let these internet nubz call you stupid toothpicker.

I've seen one live pot in my lifetime in which both players had AA.

One player won the pot with a flush .

2 villains one HAS AA.
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 39.278% 02.06% 37.22% 2480984 44898816.00 { AhAs }
Hand 1: 39.278% 02.06% 37.22% 2480984 44898816.00 { AcAd }
Hand 2: 21.444% 21.33% 00.11% 25732148 134604.00 { KK-22, KQs, QJs, JTs, 87s }



3 Villains one has AA.

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 30.654% 01.95% 28.71% 151309720 2232313376.00 { AhAs }
Hand 1: 30.654% 01.95% 28.71% 151309720 2232313376.00 { AcAd }
Hand 2: 19.346% 19.21% 00.14% 1493572880 10712664.00 { KK-22, KQs, QJs, JTs, 87s }
Hand 3: 19.346% 19.21% 00.14% 1493572880 10712664.00 { KK-22, KQs, QJs, JTs, 87s }

If I have AA and two players are all in ahead of me and they have identical stacks (to the nickel). 9 players left, top 8 places pay the same amount. 9th gets nothing. I fold aces.

Guys, girls,
I really would like to see your math backing up your opinion.
Here is details for the hand ( It took place almost 3 years ago at FX):
2/5 NLHE.
Hero: UTG, stack $550, AA
Villain1: UTG+2, $920, AA
Villain2: CO, $2000+, KK
Villain3: Btn, $1200+, J::J:


Hero raise - $40, v1 - $400, v2 - call, v3 - call (claiming it is his lucky hand , and it was )
Hero is pretty sure that v1 or v2 has an A,A and he folds.....

Something beyond trivial odd calculator please.

Anyone???

Sorry for the "Calculator answer"



Your equity is 30% and costing you 25%. Net 5% win.

Is it correct if the casino has no max rake? Could the casino take that much of your win?

I think I call JUST for the story!

if u use the hh with an open raise so its 510 into pot of 2200 so ur paying 23% for at worst 30% equity. only 100 bbs deep makes it even more obvious.

...does playing AA preflop really require this much discussion?

Well that's nice but we've been talking cash games.

And I agree with your statement above. Buts its irrelevant BC...well were talking cash.

I already stated certain conditions in tourneys can give warrant to folding aa. But that's a different subject.

LOL I know...and OK I give in. I'm done