Jerseys,
It was not me , but I did lay down K,K in a similar situation. I also folded
A,A pre couple times. I rather play 7,2o when I can control the hand , then
later tell some incredible "bet beat" stories. And the fact that guy actually
shown his K,K lay down just tels that he actually invested into super nit image
and most likely cashed his image later.

BTW, I am on a page 56 of Kill Everyone. I fill like I am wasting my time.
Nothing new yet. So far this book is an information loader for novice MTTers , without actual MTT strategy plan. Nothing even close to Harrington , Snyder or Bobbofito's books. Does the book has some really good chapters?

Just for clarification.....are you saying that you folded pocket As preflop?

haha, yeah, had some awesome donations + some sick run good + good play (haha)

my 1st rotation in I raised it up pre w/ JTs and flop came J87 2 clubs. Bet out, 2 callers. Turn I bink a 9 and check, button bets out, SB calls and I shove it. Button snaps me, and I'm feeling awful now and then SB overcalls as well. River bricks off and SB has 2 clubs and button had J9, +500 right away. Ended up making quad kings (which quickly lost the high hand obv) for another massive pot and also managed to lose a 800 pot set over set on a T43 board.

Took a break up 600 and then played again later and managed to get paid off for about another 800, with like 600 of it from one guy with AA, QQ and AQ on an A high board (3 allins on the flop). Nice to run good, lol.

Yes I did. I did this at least once at cash game , when I was mid (about $550 in 2/5 ) stack and player in a mid position bet $400 after I raised 8xbb UTG and two more players called in late position. At that hand my reason was that most likely I had no way to improve my hand and I was right.
And I did lay down A,A pre once in a tournament , when I was at CO and any pre lay down guaranteed a seat at the final table which was semi-soft.

And I cannot tell you how many times I went allin with K,K pre just to be hit by
stupid A on the board. So I folded K,K preflop a few times.

How often do you fold underfulls?

That is exactly what the Kill series is all about. It's still worth a read, if for nothing else, just to help you understand some of the lesser thinking that might be going on at your table.

lol wat

That is really really really really bad unless the tournament had a satellite payout structure.

That is also really really really really really bad.

lol, I didnt know billy did that. Im gonna watch these now .

If anything, Kill Everyone taught me concepts that I learned elsewhere, but it but them in a perspective that was completely different than my cash game "survival" one--I credit it with taking my tournament game to one that is formidable.

It's definitely a good one to read first when adding tourney play to your arsenal. It's just not as in depth or advanced as Harrington's or Sklansky's literature. It's great for people just starting to play tourneys, as there are a few essential game play changes that must be made, and the Kill books introduce you to simple ways to make the changes.

Sorry to have missed you all - been out of town a lot lately, as well as this weekend. May hit it for a portion of Monday. Then I'm headed out to Vegas for two weeks of buckling down!

Have we read the same book? I would say read hoh first then this book IMO. The bubble factor section itself is not meant for.beginners....never the other stuff. And sklanksys books are always weirdly advanced so I wont argue that.

Out of the two books I've read kill everyone is def the biggest help.

Ehh, maybe it's because Kill books are written in a way that's easier to understand, or admittedly I may have read HoH a little prematurely on my own road to poker knowledge and not grasped some things from it, or possibly that I'm slowly getting through NL Tournaments for advanced players from Sklansky right now, but I've found the Kill books to be the simplest I've read.

I guess it's a matter of opinion since it's self-education. W/e works the best for the individual.

If this isn't a level, you should seriously consider playing only limit cash games, rather then NL.

Or play at my table.

I did not finish KE yet , but what I am saying is that KE did not bring any new
ideas for me ( so far). And it uses Harringtons and Snyders concepts without
real depth in strategies and their implementation. Harrington's hand analysis
is far more superior to KE.
Did you read Snyder's PTF1 and PTF2 books?
What I found interesting in KE is and idea that you should use whatever fits
you best and you should not follow concept which is to advanced for your
current level. For example I did not play actively MTTs for last several month , so I better step one level down and use some more advanced plays once or twice per tourney until I will be back in shape.

Lol people folding AA and KK preflop ITT, seriously dude just don't ever fold AA pre again unless your in a sat and your gonna cost to a seat when someone puts you all in, thats the only situation I could think of. If you don't want to risk a 100bb stack playing 2/5 maybe the money is a lot to you, IMO.

Thanks, but I am perfectly fine playing NL games. And of course A,A will stay
pre in a limit game.

So no one here agreed on my A,A preflop lay downs in both cases?
BTW in the cash example reraiser had A,A as well and lost his entire $900+ stack to a set of J.
And I chopped that tourney 3 way with a biggest chunk.
And I folded A,A pre 3 times in last 5-6 years. Third fold was an accident.

No , seriously , am I the only one here who is not married on his pocket 2-3 tops in NLHE?

Tournies are different, there can be a case made of certain times to lay down AA pf in a tourney. That's debatable. KK can be folded in any game if you are highly confident your opponent has AA. Hoewever folding AA pf in a no limit cash game makes me think you're playing on scared money. (Maybe too high limit/buy-in? If that's that case you could move down or buy in for less.) There is no strategic reason to fold AA pf in a cash game.

I can't think of a situation in a cash game where I'm folding AA pre-flop. Especially when I get reraised with AA so I can shove. I know I'm dreading multiple callers when I raise preflop OOP which happens.

I guess on the bubble in a big MTT -- maybe -- depending on that hand and table dynamics.

KK, I've folded that a couple of times pre-flop after getting 3 or 4 bet with good reads in cash games.

I am never folding AA pre-flop in a cash game, ever. A -EV move.

I am rarely folding KK pre-flop, as well. I have been shoved on 3 times with KK, and the three times, it was a 3-bet shove, so I had them off AA. Surely enough, they showed down AK, AK, and JJ and my KK held up each time.

Against 3 callers and no no one else holds an A it's only 52% chance to win
with A,A. Do you really like max possible advantage of 2% to shove?
And I am not a rock and I was perfectly funded for 5/10 NLH.
And I folded A,A preflop 1 time out of prolly more then 1000 times I had
pocket As pre in 5 years. And it was clearly shove with 3 callers or fold situation.

A 52% chance to quadruple up? Sign me up!

If anything, I regret not being more sociable, myself, despite my willingness to meet people in the room. Even though my posts likely do not reflect it, I doubt anyone gets more "locked in" to a game.

On Friday night were you wearing a NYG jersey - #10? At a table pretty much in the middle of the room close to the front? This would have been around 8pm. In the 3 or 4 seat?