I haven't seen a must move table there yet.

The were running a 2/5 must move 2 weekends ago around 4 PM that eventually turned into a third 2/5 table when the list built up after about 7 PM.

Hope to be up there late tonight around 10-11PM for a few hours!

Also- interesting story on the PA gaming website - says slot revenue up 18% statewide in July, 7% at MS@PD - which they attribute partially to table games opening, no stats on table game revenue yet.

http://www.pgcb.state.pa.us/?pr=354

I agree, they do soft play eachother and sometimes even check a hand already down.I understand not having 3 betting wars against eachother but if u have a good hand play it strong .My buddy I have more all ins preflop with my best poker buddy more then anyone on the table.The only way to get better is to out play the best.

This is probably covered on some other thread on 2+2, but is there a point where that type of soft play crosses over into collusion in the eyes of the poker room staff? I bet it would be painful&difficult to get enforced, especially with regulars who know the house staff well.

I know I would immediately ask for a table change if I got the feeling that 2 or more players were giving each other a pass regularly like that; if they are in a pot 3 handed with me or another player not in that same "in" club & know that they don't have to worry about getting felted if it ends up heads-up against their buddy, it impacts their decision making & the integrity of the game. That's basically collusion in my mind.

In a tourament yes this would be collution. In a cash game if it's heads up and they decide to check it down there is not real problem unless someone was forced out by a bet bet. If you think there was collution in the hand ask the dealer to see both hands after the hand is completed.

Myself, I never check it down. I would check raise my grandmother all-in if she happen to sit in a game I was playing.

Even if 2 "friendly" players only soft play when it was heads up in a cash game, the net effect is like re-balancing stacks if they do it routinely - nobody would tolerate sliding $100 out of one stack to the other; why tolerate this? Non "friendly" players would bet normally (i.e. hard) at each other in similar situations, one would have to reach in their pocket to put more money on the table after taking a big hit vice checking down a big draw vs a big made hand, or get up & leave after getting felted. The "friendly" players can factor in the reduced risk in a 3 way pot of knowing that their pal will softplay if the end up heads up, even if it is subconscious vice actively trying to screw over the 3rd player.

I have encountered variations of this with couples playing at the same table - I hate the vibe it creates and usually just try to move tables vice creating a stink with the floor. Just curious at what point there is a legitimate complaint to the floor that would get someone forcibly moved to another table or bounced.

That's why I was saying if you think something fishy is going on ask to see both hands of the players "soft playing"

The real problem with softplaying is the way it makes random first-timers to the game feel.

For example, there's at least one guy who the 15/30 regs don't play headsup postflop with to be friendly. The guy is terrible, has been playing with these guys for a long time, has lost a lot of money playing poker, and is still crushable even by forfeiting late street heads-up play.

If that happens when I'm in the game... Fine. Leaves the big fish more chips in his stack and makes the game run faster, win-win for me. But if I'm some random first-timer to the game who doesn't understand what's going on, that kind of stuff is gonna make me feel weird about the game I'm in. Especially if I'm a losing player, which is the kind of guy those regs should want to keep around.

Those softplayers need to see the big picture, rather than just the small one. If you're going to try to be a hustler and take this guy's money in a stupid little 15/30 game, you shouldn't try to be his friend off the felt. At the very least, you're a terrible friend.

Oh well. This is one of the thousands of things that irritate me about live poker. And to whoever's in charge over at MSPD... If you're interested in keeping that mixed game around longrun, you're gonna have to keep those regs in check. And if you're not interested in keeping the game around longrun... well, I don't blame you. That game isn't worth the trouble.

This is why I never try to get to friendly with regs, because they dont understand that I am going to try to get as much value out of every hand and treat them like Im in a battlefield, and they could do the same with me.If the reg is a smart player he also would realize when not to get out of line.Ex a few fish at the table and a greedy reg solid player keeps 3 betting and gets the fish out of the hand is just not smart.Thjis isnt online when you need to do that to keep up with rake , live u steal a few blinds doing that but r slowing down the fish from stacking off.

Slowing down the fish from stacking off may be a good thing. If he stacks off to quickly he wil probably just leave and not feel like he for his money's worth.

If you stack a reg he will probably dip back in his pocket and re-load.

Had a nice run at the 2/5 NL tables last night. I was running hot for about 2 hours, made a bunch of draws that people gave me odds to chase & got people shoving re-raises back at me with monster pairs that held up. Took a dinner break, came back & played another 6 hours, only squeaked out another $100 (I should have went home after the early heater!) 3 2/5 tables including 1 must-move were running- I got seated on the more "action" type table, other one was mostly local regulars & I heard a lot of complaints about it being nitty. The ratio of tight regulars to random donks was a bit on the high side, enough to make me consider dropping down to 1/2 just to see if there was anyone stacking off with garbage, but I'm happy I stuck with 2/5. May head back late tonight or tomorrow, depending on the mix I may try that. If they get that 1-2 PLO game running that might be a fun one to try- I've only played PLO in tourneys & fake $ online- has it been running lately?

Please someone post me a link to the Poker rms, Twitter Site. I'm so look'n foward to returning to PA, for a weekend of Poker..........

That's funny that you mentioned the eating & running slow, I've found that once I eat a good meal, as to a quick snack, I don't care or want to play @ my peak level of play Maybe it's being full & content?
So I try not to break for a big meal til I'm ready to leave......

@mspdpoker on twitter I believe there is a link back to their website there. On there twitter account they give good info on tables being spread and what expected wait time are.

Here's an example of a previous tweet from @mspdpoker:

Update!!! 2 2/4 LHE, 1 3/6 LHE, 9 1/2 NL, 2 2/5 NL, 2 15/30 hose..............No LIst for 1/2 NL....short list for 2/5

Where did the 10/10 NL game go?

I'm not sure. I haven't been up much in the last couple of weeks due to traveling for work and vacation.

I did notice a 1/2 PLO getting of the ground every now and then. Didn't see 10/10 NL or 10/20 NL in a couple of weeks. Maybe someone else that is up there knows how often these games get off of the ground.

The 15/30 HOSE and HOE and some 15/30 Omaha H/L have been pretty standard. With the HOSE game going almost everyday and H/L plus some 15/30 stud on the weekends.

Same exact thing happens to me when I am playing in long sessions. I make a point of staying away from the tables for 30 min if I have eaten anything that is really substantial or will make me feel lethargic.

I swear your body just has too much going on after eating a lot, and my play suffers.

I always will snack on stuff during a session to keep the blood sugar up, but will not eat any large meals unless I can take a serious break or are done.

Problem with this is when I am playing for a 48 hour session... means I do not eat anything substantive for two days... And then eat EVERYTHING in sight.

For what it's worth I was told that there's no such 10-10 game being spread. I heard that is the way they are listing the number of 2-5 must move games. I have no idea why they do it that way, but like I said, that's what someone said on Friday night (when 10-10 was on the board). Maybe Art can confirm for sure.

There is no 10/10 nl game. We have to put in the Bravo system that the limits are 10/10 for 2/5 no limit so that the players get the right amount of comp points. If you notice the 2/5 game is always on table #30. This is a dummy table created so bravo generates a 2/5 list. The table #'s listed under the 10/10 lists
are the actual tables where 2/5 is being played. If you ever see 20/20 nl that is really 5/10 nl. Hope this kinda clears up the mystery.

Very interesting. I thought it was strange a couple weeks ago to have two "10/10" games going on an early Monday afternoon when I was there. Now it all makes sense

Stoped in last night; there was a 30/60 LHE game going!

Group of the regulars from that 15/30 HOSE game frequently will try to stir up interest for 30/60 LHE - They couldn't get it going before I left last night, must have kicked in later.

Boy what a tear I was on last night on the 2/5NL, deck hit me in the face, and I think I got maximum value out of most of my big hands- good confidence boost after a few bad decisions/beats in July. Great to get my roll back into fighting shape for 5/10NL!

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Thanks.........

moving back to school so will probably be there this tuesday sometime! look forward to playing again@ mspd. after hitting up chester since it doesnt compare at all to mspd except maybe a few more tables. all other areas- downs>chester