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08-26-2018 , 09:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Scientist
Is the rake the same for 1/2 as Moh or FW?


Ive heard two different answers here. Originally posted $5 max then most recently $4 max.
Id like a definite answer. I would just call the room if I had the opportunity right now.
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08-26-2018 , 09:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Scientist
Is the rake the same for 1/2 as Moh or FW?
MS: 4+1
FW: 5+1
MGM: 5+2
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08-26-2018 , 09:39 PM
Played 2/5 for 9 hours Saturday. Some observations:

-2/5 rake was 10% up to $5 plus $2 for the bad beat jackpot. Brutal.
-Cash does not play on the table. Something about MA rules. Someone needs to explain that to me. If you get stacked / stack someone you can't just pay out of your pocket to keep your chips and resume play quickly since the other person can't keep cash on the table.
-The chip runners suck. Dealers were literally keeping track of who owed who what because people were playing without chips in front of them.
-Mississippi straddle here. Can straddle from anywhere but button gets preference and forces preflop action to the left of the straddle (this is awesome).
-There are no seat change buttons. Don't exist here.
-The 1/2 is capped at $500, the 2/5 is capped at $1,000 and the 5/10 is uncapped.
-I'm not used to this as a CT player but limit games allow a bet and 4 raises (unless head up). I'm used to a bet and 3 raises.
-There was a table fill about every hour / hour and half. Super frequent for some reason.
-Floor is super slow at filling empty seats. No one has radios, they just run around all over the place. When names are called it's like once and then they just stop even if the seat was never filled. This needs work.
-Some familiar faces, both players and dealers, which was to be expected opening weekend. Some new dealers are literally at 10 hands/hr.
-Have waitresses but there's also a self serve area for soft drinks and coffee. Have red bull and sugar free red bull the waitresses will bring that's a plus for me haha
-Might have been a combination of just being opening weekend, but maybe not - with higher capped buyins and Mississippi straddle on, games were playing larger than normal. Our 2/5 was def a 2/5/10 like the whole time. Lotta action.
-They made the pot right for every all in. Couldn't just have an all in and call and figure it out after the river. Super slow this way.

Last edited by AJoff; 08-26-2018 at 09:43 PM. Reason: Added one more thing
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08-26-2018 , 09:49 PM
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Originally Posted by AJoff
Played 2/5 for 9 hours Saturday. Some observations:

-2/5 rake was 10% up to $5 plus $2 for the bad beat jackpot. Brutal.
-Cash does not play on the table. Something about MA rules. Someone needs to explain that to me. If you get stacked / stack someone you can't just pay out of your pocket to keep your chips and resume play quickly since the other person can't keep cash on the table.
-The chip runners suck. Dealers were literally keeping track of who owed who what because people were playing without chips in front of them.
-Mississippi straddle here. Can straddle from anywhere but button gets preference and forces preflop action to the left of the straddle (this is awesome).
-There are no seat change buttons. Don't exist here.
-The 1/2 is capped at $500, the 2/5 is capped at $1,000 and the 5/10 is uncapped.
-I'm not used to this as a CT player but limit games allow a bet and 4 raises (unless head up). I'm used to a bet and 3 raises.
-There was a table fill about every hour / hour and half. Super frequent for some reason.
-Floor is super slow at filling empty seats. No one has radios, they just run around all over the place. When names are called it's like once and then they just stop even if the seat was never filled. This needs work.
-Some familiar faces, both players and dealers, which was to be expected opening weekend. Some new dealers are literally at 10 hands/hr.
-Have waitresses but there's also a self serve area for soft drinks and coffee. Have red bull and sugar free red bull the waitresses will bring that's a plus for me haha
-Might have been a combination of just being opening weekend, but maybe not - with higher capped buyins and Mississippi straddle on, games were playing larger than normal. Our 2/5 was def a 2/5/10 like the whole time. Lotta action.
-They made the pot right for every all in. Couldn't just have an all in and call and figure it out after the river. Super slow this way.


Thank you! Great info!
$5+$2 yikes, kind if pushing it
I think im over the idea of this room
Ill revisit the idea in a month or two
I remember when mohegan first reopened. They had similar problems at first.
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08-26-2018 , 09:50 PM
I think foxwoods is $2 at the flop though.
Something to consider
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08-26-2018 , 09:57 PM
I’m shocked at the discussion of playing behind. This is a common occurance in Vegas. Make sure you tip your chip runners!
I saw a post above concerning buyin limits, Friday night there was a 1/2 game with a $1k cap. Wowza
The rake is distressing. The bad thing about foxwoods rake(besides being $6) is the $2 on the flop. Sucks for small pots.
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08-26-2018 , 10:01 PM
Also, no matter the size pot they won't let you run it twice in 2/5. Came up at our table and the dealer / floor said management wouldn't allow it. You probably could at 5/10+ but I didn't sit 5/10 so don't know for sure.
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08-26-2018 , 10:02 PM
There are cages somewhere ? Like I can buy a bunch of chips before I sit down?
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08-26-2018 , 10:12 PM
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Originally Posted by D_goat
There are cages somewhere ? Like I can buy a bunch of chips before I sit down?


Are you being sarcastic??
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08-26-2018 , 10:14 PM
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Originally Posted by AJoff
Also, no matter the size pot they won't let you run it twice in 2/5. Came up at our table and the dealer / floor said management wouldn't allow it. You probably could at 5/10+ but I didn't sit 5/10 so don't know for sure.


This aint “late night poker” im ok with the not running it twice at the 2/5
Just another thing to slow up the game
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08-26-2018 , 10:18 PM
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Originally Posted by clide9
Are you being sarcastic??


I’m hearing all this talk about the cages being half way across the casino
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08-26-2018 , 10:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Bugsyyy
Limit Omaha - High Only? doubtful
More like Razz for HORSE. although Razzdugi would be better
Would be something IIRC only Boulder Station gets that and it's a sick game.
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08-26-2018 , 10:48 PM
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Originally Posted by D_goat
I’m hearing all this talk about the cages being half way across the casino
Nope, there’s one literally inside the poker room.
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08-26-2018 , 10:52 PM
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Originally Posted by tellypl
Nope, there’s one literally inside the poker room.


That’s good so why is it taking the chip runners so long ?
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08-26-2018 , 10:57 PM
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Originally Posted by D_goat
That’s good so why is it taking the chip runners so long ?
Well the cage inside the room is quite small, so my guess is that if they’re slow it’s during busier times when lines are longer/could be understaffed at that position as I didn’t see too many of them on Fri/Sat.
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08-27-2018 , 07:05 AM
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Originally Posted by clide9
This aint “late night poker” im ok with the not running it twice at the 2/5
Just another thing to slow up the game
I totally agree, just reporting what I saw so everyone knows what to expect.

There's also USB chargers under the rail at all tables, no cup holders built into the rail (they have the narrow tear drop shaped tables on 3 wheels that tip all the time if you back into one), the dealers Keep their own tips and you are allowed to call ahead to put your name on the list: 413-273-5767
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08-27-2018 , 07:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Lattimer
Yeah it makes sense that there will be a little bit of a learning curve.

Someone in the New England thread mentioned getting tier matched to Mlife Pearl from Foxwoods Gold. Does anyone happen to know if they are doing higher matching? I'm Foxwoods Diamond.
When I got my tier match, I saw the paper that the rewards desk is going by for Foxwoods -> M Life

Gold -> Pearl
Platinum -> Gold
Diamond -> Platinum

They don't have a tier match from Foxwoods to M life for their Noir. You may be able to work something out with a host.

For poker players who value comps, there's not much for you here. You get 2 comp points per hour, but no tier credits to advance player status.

I was there most of Saturday. It was open seating at 1/2 until about 2pm, then the list started filling up. The casino is beautiful, the room action was good. Booze is complimentary and they have a great selection of beers which they bring in the entire bottle which is pretty nice. It was insanely packed, so much so that the food court had security letting 1 in 1 out like a night club. I'm going to let the curiosity traffic die off before I return to explore more. The

First impression.....it's a nice change of scenery and I'll definitely mix it into my games, but it doesn't have enough to pull me from Foxwoods as a reg.

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08-27-2018 , 08:27 AM
Went last night, just a couple things that haven't been said/been lightly touched upon.
Cage is small, only 3 Windows, and chip runners get preference when they come up. The cashiers are a bit slow as they seem to have to count very clearly for the cameras.
You can right it twice in 2/2 plo.
PLO got off the ground late last night and filled up quick. Rare for a new game to get going so late! The table had several players who were very familiar with the game and were local, so this room appears to have a local PLO player pool, which may help it go often enough!
I did not see a drink server in my 2 hours there, but heard that it's not usually that slow.
They were not doing the count the rack thing during dealer changes some have mentioned. End of down was seamless.
Room is a short walk to everything important, like Parking and places to eat.
Dealers seemed pretty smooth, but I only played for about five or 6.

Bottom line, I'm very close to here, and because I can't play nearly as often as before due to kids and my business, I'll probably never be back to the tribal casinos.
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08-27-2018 , 08:41 AM
I waited in super long line to get tier match from foxwoods gold to mlife pearl. They gave me a physical pearl card but when I log in online it shows me as sapphire still. Anyone else experience this? Any chance they made a mistake at the desk and didn't actually match me to pearl but just printed me a pearl card?
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08-27-2018 , 08:44 AM
Yes....I got matched to gold but online it still shows me as sapphire. I haven't gotten around to calling about it.

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08-27-2018 , 09:18 AM
I love reading these threads from other poker rooms around the Country. People whine about the stupidest things. The bigger and nicer the room, the more spoiled the players are and the more they whine.

$5+$2 rake is brutal? LOL. That's pretty standard in most parts of the Country and its a lot worse many other places.
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08-27-2018 , 09:24 AM
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Originally Posted by MikeStarr
I love reading these threads from other poker rooms around the Country. People whine about the stupidest things. The bigger and nicer the room, the more spoiled the players are and the more they whine.

$5+$2 rake is brutal? LOL. That's pretty standard in most parts of the Country and its a lot worse many other places.
Truth! We've been spoiled by years of $4+1 rake at the tax free Indian casinos. I think this rake is the best anyone could have expected given the higher cost of doing business in an actual state.
Foxwoods and Mohegan only have to pay taxes on their slot income, their poker income is tax free, and they don't have to pay traditional corporate taxes.
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08-27-2018 , 09:32 AM
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Originally Posted by MikeStarr
I love reading these threads from other poker rooms around the Country. People whine about the stupidest things. The bigger and nicer the room, the more spoiled the players are and the more they whine.

$5+$2 rake is brutal? LOL. That's pretty standard in most parts of the Country and its a lot worse many other places.


I hate this argument.
I don’t give a crap what other areas are doing, MGM is in THIS area. And thats a lot of rake for the smaller games.
I don’t understand these people who sympathize with the giant casinos plight to make profit and call customer’s concerns “whining”
They are able to make PLENTY of profit with a smaller rake. They charge more in other area only because they can get away with it.
Why do we need to be ok with it here? Why shouldn’t we keep our pressure on as customers for our interest, they certainly will do everything in their power for their own.
Do you think they’re deciding the rake based on trying to be the most fair?

Reminds me when oil companies shoot up gas prices and people argue that we should feel lucky because other countries pay so much more. Ridiculous argument
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08-27-2018 , 09:34 AM
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Originally Posted by clide9
I hate this argument.
I don’t give a crap what other areas are doing, MGM is in THIS area. And thats a lot of rake for the smaller games.
I don’t understand these people who sympathize with the giant casinos plight to make profit and call customer’s concerns “whining”
They are able to make PLENTY of profit with a smaller rake. They charge more in other area only because they can get away with it.
Why do we need to be ok with it here? Why shouldn’t we keep our pressure on as customers for our interest, they certainly will do everything in their power for their own.
Do you think they’re deciding the rake based on trying to be the most fair?

Reminds me when oil companies shoot up gas prices and people argue that we should feel lucky because other countries pay so much more. Ridiculous argument
Bad analogy. Gas prices are determined by the open market. Oil companies don't raise prices, the market does.

I get your point though, higher rake sucks, but complaining won't do anything. Leaving all of the tables empty may get their attention, but the result will more likely be for them to close the room instead of lowering rake.
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08-27-2018 , 09:35 AM
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Originally Posted by MikeStarr
I love reading these threads from other poker rooms around the Country. People whine about the stupidest things. The bigger and nicer the room, the more spoiled the players are and the more they whine.

$5+$2 rake is brutal? LOL. That's pretty standard in most parts of the Country and its a lot worse many other places.
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Originally Posted by 413AceKing
Truth! We've been spoiled by years of $4+1 rake at the tax free Indian casinos. I think this rake is the best anyone could have expected given the higher cost of doing business in an actual state.
Foxwoods and Mohegan only have to pay taxes on their slot income, their poker income is tax free, and they don't have to pay traditional corporate taxes.
And that's what I'm comparing it to because I'm used to the lower rake at the tribals.

If you figure full rake @40/hpr at a full table that's $20/hr rake at tribals and $28/hr rake at MGM Springfield = +40%, comparatively.

I hear the 5/10 rake is $7 down every half which is much better than the 2/5 but I haven't confirmed that myself.
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