You're not. While it's unfortunate for the hand that gets beat, going by hand start time is the far better way to run the promo. It's not always enforced consistently though.

Doing it by when the hand starts (i.e. the way MGM is currently doing it) seems like the only fair way. Otherwise you allow for angleshooting; a player with potential high hand near the end of the hour could try to play quickly if his hand beats the current high hand, but stall if it doesn't.

It might look that way, but, you cannot stall for a long time, as the other players or the floor would be involved and the hand would be invalidated.

As we know we cannot play a hand for 3/5 minutes by stalling the process like the survivor tournaments.

Your circumstance is obviously unfortunate, but it's going tho happen any way you do the promo. Truly a bad beat.

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems that your argument for changing the policy is that you think people can angleshoot only a little bit. Why shouldn't that possibility of angleshooting simply be eliminted as Johnny has done with the existing policy?

PM me your name and I will have the shift manager credit you some comp credit for that horrific beat.

I play at the Jack in Cincy regularly (and at MGMNH occasionally) - I played at the Jack last week and during the high hand promotion, they were making it really clear that a certain hand would be the last one for a given half hour period of the promotion - I think that sort of notification also helps a great deal with delineating which hands correspond to which high hand time period. Not sure to what extent MGMNH does the same thing. Totally agree that the start of hand is the fairest way to handle.

Other than you not winning this time, what makes the current way unfair?

Let me reiterate, I understand a rule is a rule and there is no single approach that is fair or unfair.

What happened in my case is unfortunate, but, if you played Poker for a while you pretty much have seen every bad beat and angle-shoot possible.

It is just the adjustments with the rules when you are playing in different rooms in the same area.

I am pretty sure I will be on the other side of the situation at some point while playing.

JG eased the pain a little, so, we are all good.

That's not what I was saying at all, so maybe I was unclear. I'll try to rephrase.

I think that using the start of the hand definitively is more fair than using the end of the hand.

You said that you think Johnny should change the policy away from using the start of the hand. When I asked you why you think it should be changed, you said because there's usually not a lot of angleshooting (stalling). I said why allow any angleshooting?

So... why allow any angleshooting?

I understand the basic argument. If a hand is dealt within the hour, no matter how long the hand runs, it belongs to that particular hour.

It kind of stings at the moment when you hit your hand with 46 minutes left on the clock and it gets beat in the last 30 seconds

But looking at the other location with so many months of running this promotion, I don't see it being extensively abused. If it was and is being abused constantly they would have changed the rule by now. What do you think?

I would advocate for the start of the hand at the other location as well and see what the location would say.

JG is it too early to ask about April Promotions (Cash n Tournaments)?

The rule is perfect the way it is and prevents angle shooting. If someone makes KKKKA and the current HH is a straight flush, they can't just slow the hand down and hollywood until the next hour.

It works both ways. If a royal was dealt in the end of the previous hour and finished in the hour your Q high hand was dealt it would have been attributed to the previous hour.

It's a bad beat but you can't say it isn't fair.

Kind of up to the player to know what room he's in and what their rule adjustments are. In some spots it'd be annoying for sure - like if one room in an area ruled that all chips carried forward must be bet while another allowed you to cut out chips and return chips back to your stack. That's a rule variation that you'd want to be aware of because it affects how you act. But high hand details? There's nothing you can do to influence it - you either win or you don't.

I got on the board with a straight flush at MDL, got beat by a royal which reset the period and someone with Aces full won the period. My straight flush would have been good in any other period while I was there that day. Does that suck? Yeah it does. Is it fair? Absolutely. The promo has its quirks and they apply to everyone.

actually utilizing the start time of the hand is much more reasonable in that before the cards are dealt no one knows if there will even be a qualifying hand dealt. Once a player has flopped a hand, then the issue of stalling comes into play. AW

I visited MGM for the first time today to play in the tournament and was very impressed. The staff are very competent and professional, and the room itself is quite nice indeed.

Congratulations, Johnny, on what you all have built here in just the short time since opening.

I do have one small suggestion, though, with regard to the tourneys. Would it be possible to allow breaks every few levels throughout the duration of the tournament?

As it is there are only three scheduled breaks, and after that there are no additional breaks allowed. This led to some unfortunate issues at the final table tonight that could have been avoided if there was a scheduled break. I'm happy to go into more detail if desired.

Again, congrats on the room and I look forward to returning often.

this. Rule is good. I had a woman get mad at me when i was at MDL because i called time on her because she was taking insanely long on every street and then checking when i had nothing and was planning to check/fold. and she had AAAQQ or something on the flop. I think she stalled for like 3-4 mins before i called clock and she still had another 2 mins worth of stall left. Fortunately she was beaten by quads a few minutes into the next period so i didnt have to hear about it for too long.

Just to reiterate, after the discussion, I do agree that the start of the hand is a better indicator. I would recommend the same at the other place and see what they would say.

My fair/unfair comment is being taken out of context, I was referring to there is no fair or unfair approach between the two rules (start of the hand or time it was tabled).

I might have sounded that way, at that moment, when it was fresh in my mind. But I never indicated that MGM's approach is unfair.

So, lets rest the case.

The reason given at the other location was that it becomes too tedious for shorter high hand intervals.

The security camera setup manages the whole casino and adds a lot of overhead to manage just the poker room for high hands.

I'd like to thank Cher and my bad planning for my 20 minute wait just to get into the parking garage tonight.

20? You got lucky. Took me 30+. It's a little annoying that they don't let you enter the garage on the north side so you have to sit in gridlock traffic all the way around the property.

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I figured I'd be screwed once I got in, but I came in on level 4, went straight up to 6 and it was almost empty. Nobody seems to park up there.

Johnny
It has been getting uncomfortably warm in the room. Do you guys have the ability to adjust the thermostats? I hope it doesn't get worse as the weather gets warmer.

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Sorry about the temp... We will adjust

JG any insight into April Promos?