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Old 04-09-2020, 04:38 PM   #6851
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If a furloughed worker that is collecting benefits gets offered their job back, and turns it down... they will lose unemployement benefit eligibility if that company reports it to the state.
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Old 04-22-2020, 11:32 PM   #6852
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The major of Las Vegas is inviting everyone to Las Vegas casinos. So all casinos must be safe. Right?

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Old 04-23-2020, 01:55 PM   #6853
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If it is up to the patrons and casinos why even shutdown the city in the first place.

If it is up to the city, then why push the responsibility on to the citizens and businesses about their safety.

In addition to Anderson I was shaking my head as well.
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Old 04-24-2020, 11:47 AM   #6854
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If it is up to the patrons and casinos why even shutdown the city in the first place.

If it is up to the city, then why push the responsibility on to the citizens and businesses about their safety.

In addition to Anderson I was shaking my head as well.
We know alot more about this thing than we did when she shutdown the city. The mortality rate is roughly equal to that of the flu - between .01 and .05 percent. Over 90 percent of the deaths are those either over 65 or with pre-existing conditions.

This shutdown has been a complete disaster. The deaths resulting from mental issues, economic hardships, and failure of people to have elective surgeries and other routine medical procedures and checkups will dwarf the number of those killed by the virus itself.

It's time to reopen everything and let US decide what risks we are willing to take. Anderson Cooper is the one who is ignorant.

I wonder how many of those on this site who are so in favor of these draconian shutdown procedures were up in arms when the Government banned on-line poker in the name of protecting the citizenry.
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Old 04-24-2020, 11:52 AM   #6855
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We know alot more about this thing than we did when she shutdown the city. The mortality rate is roughly equal to that of the flu - between .01 and .05 percent. Over 90 percent of the deaths are those either over 65 or with pre-existing conditions.



This shutdown has been a complete disaster. The deaths resulting from mental issues, economic hardships, and failure of people to have elective surgeries and other routine medical procedures and checkups will dwarf the number of those killed by the virus itself.



It's time to reopen everything and let US decide what risks we are willing to take. Anderson Cooper is the one who is ignorant.



I wonder how many of those on this site who are so in favor of these draconian shutdown procedures were up in arms when the Government banned on-line poker in the name of protecting the citizenry.
Looks like we are sliding into the purple warning period in this timeline.

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Old 04-24-2020, 11:59 AM   #6856
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Looks like we are sliding into the purple warning period in this timeline.

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Yeah, except that no one is saying that these procedures are going to reduce the number of people who ultimately are exposed to the virus, or the number of "new cases". The whole idea is to "flatten the curve". In other words, not to overwhelm the medical system. Which isn't overwhelmed, even in New York.
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Old 04-24-2020, 12:25 PM   #6857
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We know alot more about this thing than we did when she shutdown the city. The mortality rate is roughly equal to that of the flu - between .01 and .05 percent. Over 90 percent of the deaths are those either over 65 or with pre-existing conditions.

The mortality rate (by which I assume you're referring to IFR) is significantly higher than that. Where are you getting this number from?
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Old 04-24-2020, 12:43 PM   #6858
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The mortality rate (by which I assume you're referring to IFR) is significantly higher than that. Where are you getting this number from?
There are three studies of which I'm aware that have tested large segments of the populations in Santa Clara, LA, and NYC. All have shown that the rate of infection was exponentially higher than what was assumed, based on those who had been identified as having contracted the virus.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news...d-19-far-more/

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/med...ed/ar-BB12NH1K

https://www.ibtimes.com/new-york-cit...vid-19-2964076

When you factor these statistics into the calculation of the mortality rates, the rates are well below 1 percent. Further, when you consider that virtually all of the morbidity rates include all those who died with COVID19 as having died from COVID19 (as Dr. Birx herself stated last week, and a ridiculous assumption on its face), the rates are even lower.
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Old 04-24-2020, 12:50 PM   #6859
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Can you folks at least *try* to keep discussions remotely related to the specific casino this thread is about? There are at least a half dozen dedicated coronavirus threads on this site you can participate in if you want to discuss other regions or on the national level.
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Old 04-25-2020, 09:54 AM   #6860
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Oh for the halcyon days of complaining about bathrooms, food service, and table swaps!
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Old 04-25-2020, 09:53 PM   #6861
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Oh for the halcyon days of complaining about bathrooms, food service, and table swaps!
This made me laugh...
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Old 04-25-2020, 11:17 PM   #6862
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Consider the nightmare scenario of "opening up" and the medical system is TRULY overwhelmed. Medical staff illness & mortality skyrockets, hospitals stop accepting patients, ambulances stop responding to calls, and deaths from heart attacks & other non-covid causes rise.

We'd end up having to shut down even longer and with fewer resources. I can't even contemplate the effect on other basic services if real mass panic ensued (food distribution, sanitation, police, electrical power, etc).

It's just too big a risk IMO.
Gotta stay the course.
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Old 04-26-2020, 08:56 AM   #6863
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Lattimer’s words fall on deaf ears.
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Old 04-26-2020, 04:55 PM   #6864
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Consider the nightmare scenario of "opening up" and the medical system is TRULY overwhelmed. Medical staff illness & mortality skyrockets, hospitals stop accepting patients, ambulances stop responding to calls, and deaths from heart attacks & other non-covid causes rise.

We'd end up having to shut down even longer and with fewer resources. I can't even contemplate the effect on other basic services if real mass panic ensued (food distribution, sanitation, police, electrical power, etc).

It's just too big a risk IMO.
Gotta stay the course.
We are going to start playing the what if game.
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Old 04-26-2020, 05:23 PM   #6865
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WOW.. This chart is great news!!! Everything will be over very soon per your chart.
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Old 04-26-2020, 06:52 PM   #6866
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This made me laugh...
What's your best guess for timeline for reopening? Do you expect the casino to open and the poker room to stay shut down during the first phases due to live poker violating every precaution out there?
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Old 04-26-2020, 09:00 PM   #6867
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What's your best guess for timeline for reopening? Do you expect the casino to open and the poker room to stay shut down during the first phases due to live poker violating every precaution out there?
My guess would be its going to be well into June before the casino itself is allowed to open. The Virginia stay at home order is (currently) until June 1. Hogan said he would consider lifting the Maryland SAH for small businesses in early May but the way I read it, the most crowded/highest risk activities would be in the last stage of any opening plan.

I think a crowded casino is probably on that list of things that is going to be last to open. Add to this having to re-staff the place? It is going to be a very complex reconstitution/recovery plan to write.

As for live poker? No idea. My guess would be most casinos will be opened with some sort of spacing plan - IE every other machine shut off, every other chair taken away at table games - similar to what LV casinos have been talking about. But poker is going to be way, way down that list.
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Old 05-01-2020, 11:32 PM   #6868
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Yeah, except that no one is saying that these procedures are going to reduce the number of people who ultimately are exposed to the virus, or the number of "new cases". The whole idea is to "flatten the curve". In other words, not to overwhelm the medical system. Which isn't overwhelmed, even in New York.
True, but that's with mitigation efforts, i.e social distancing. In order to prove this concept false, you'd need to show a large metropolitan city, similar to D.C. (where National Harbor is) that has not overwhelmed medical systems without any sort of Government intervention, i.e. mitigation efforts.
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Old 05-01-2020, 11:41 PM   #6869
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There are three studies of which I'm aware that have tested large segments of the populations in Santa Clara, LA, and NYC. All have shown that the rate of infection was exponentially higher than what was assumed, based on those who had been identified as having contracted the virus.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news...d-19-far-more/

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/med...ed/ar-BB12NH1K

https://www.ibtimes.com/new-york-cit...vid-19-2964076

When you factor these statistics into the calculation of the mortality rates, the rates are well below 1 percent. Further, when you consider that virtually all of the morbidity rates include all those who died with COVID19 as having died from COVID19 (as Dr. Birx herself stated last week, and a ridiculous assumption on its face), the rates are even lower.
I agree with the mortality rates being much lower than reported, which is primarily because the "numerator" in the equation of actual deaths by COVID is materially fixed, the denominator can rapidly increase based on number of cases not yet confirmed or tested.

The inherent problem is... is mortality rate really the measurement you want to be using? Like is life or death the only material impacts of this virus? Hardly in my eyes.

The only real issue here is liability for the medical systems. Its not about whether or not X number of people die... its whether the medical systems in this country are unable to save lives because they're overwhelmed from a resource standpoint to make a strong attempt to save lives. Its the biggest fear in any pandemic. That hasn't really happened yet, but that's primarily because really no jurisdiction has failed to take mitigation efforts.

I'm in the region with most posters on here. I'm a weekly REG in these games, and it sometimes feels like I'm trying to kick a heroin addiction for how long its been since I've been playing. I'm playing these stupid ass like .25-.50 games on PokerStars on Zoom with my friends, and they're getting raked to the hills. Its all I can do to stop myself from snorting cocaine to get the high.

We just need to be patient. It takes strength. Everybody who's been in a poker room long enough like us knows Casino's and Poker Room's are a breeding ground for virus spread. We all need to do better to reduce the risk, and be a little less selfish. Stay home when we have colds or flu symptoms, be conscious about hygiene, etc. Many of us already do this, but not enough to defeat the stigma.
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Old 05-02-2020, 07:09 AM   #6870
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I agree with the mortality rates being much lower than reported, which is primarily because the "numerator" in the equation of actual deaths by COVID is materially fixed, the denominator can rapidly increase based on number of cases not yet confirmed or tested.

The inherent problem is... is mortality rate really the measurement you want to be using? Like is life or death the only material impacts of this virus? Hardly in my eyes.

The only real issue here is liability for the medical systems. Its not about whether or not X number of people die... its whether the medical systems in this country are unable to save lives because they're overwhelmed from a resource standpoint to make a strong attempt to save lives. Its the biggest fear in any pandemic. That hasn't really happened yet, but that's primarily because really no jurisdiction has failed to take mitigation efforts.

I'm in the region with most posters on here. I'm a weekly REG in these games, and it sometimes feels like I'm trying to kick a heroin addiction for how long its been since I've been playing. I'm playing these stupid ass like .25-.50 games on PokerStars on Zoom with my friends, and they're getting raked to the hills. Its all I can do to stop myself from snorting cocaine to get the high.

We just need to be patient. It takes strength. Everybody who's been in a poker room long enough like us knows Casino's and Poker Room's are a breeding ground for virus spread. We all need to do better to reduce the risk, and be a little less selfish. Stay home when we have colds or flu symptoms, be conscious about hygiene, etc. Many of us already do this, but not enough to defeat the stigma.
The unintended consequences of this coronavirus hysteria will likely have a much more detrimental long-term effect on the nation's health care infrastructure than had we continued business as usual with some modifications (social distancing, facemasks, 6 max poker tables, etc.)

https://www.healthcaredive.com/news/...s-bill/574694/

Not to mention the increased burden due to untreated non-COVID conditions, loss of health insurance resulting from job layoffs, resulting mental health issues, etc. Plus, while the number of infections would likely have increased, the resulting "herd immunity" would make us far less vulnerable if and when the virus returns in the fall.

The longer we wait to get back to normal, the worse it's gonna be.
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Old 05-02-2020, 11:31 AM   #6871
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So, did MGM use this down time to switch the men's and women's rooms? We wanna know!
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Old 05-02-2020, 06:22 PM   #6872
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Old 05-02-2020, 08:42 PM   #6873
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Seriously though, if no changes have been done to the bathrooms, I'll be very disappointed.
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Old 05-03-2020, 05:37 PM   #6874
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Seriously though, if no changes have been done to the bathrooms, I'll be very disappointed.
MGM furloughed most of its employees company wide during the shutdown, I'd be stunned if they did anything major about the bathrooms - I think we should be happy if they have functioning hot water and soap at this point.
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The unintended consequences of this coronavirus hysteria will likely have a much more detrimental long-term effect on the nation's health care infrastructure than had we continued business as usual with some modifications (social distancing, facemasks, 6 max poker tables, etc.)

https://www.healthcaredive.com/news/...s-bill/574694/

Not to mention the increased burden due to untreated non-COVID conditions, loss of health insurance resulting from job layoffs, resulting mental health issues, etc. Plus, while the number of infections would likely have increased, the resulting "herd immunity" would make us far less vulnerable if and when the virus returns in the fall.

The longer we wait to get back to normal, the worse it's gonna be.
In theory, that could be true. Herd immunity has very little practical application though, and most "experts" would tell you that's a theory that's unproven. If it were to succeed, its the kind of thing that takes multiple years or longer to be successful, and certainly wouldn't be that effective over a less than 12 month period of time.

In my opinion, the biggest issue is if you give the public free discretion to "do the right thing", they'll fail or decline to do so in spectacular fashion.

The reason social distancing is working now is because the Government(s) took away most of the reasons for people to be socially active. Its certainly not because the public at large is being responsible and practicing social distancing.

I think the long-term effect on the economy COULD be worse, but I also think the public is generally over-exaggerating the shear quantity of businesses that won't be returning. And in many aspects, a lot of economists would tell you that having a sharp decrease in unskilled, low-paying labor markets isn't necessarily a bad thing, as history shows that could offer up more opportunities for people to develop more skills and get higher paying, higher in-demand jobs in the long run.
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