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11-18-2019 , 11:16 PM
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Originally Posted by DCJ001
Thank you for asking.

He was away for one week. He, apparently, read the recent comments. I am wondering if anyone at MGMNH is going to take care of properly managing the restrooms.

And saying that "he's no longer going to post here" does not mean that he is definitely never going to post here.
Johnny has no obligation to post here. You have a habit of posting his Last Activity, and at this point I consider it trolling. So knock it off.
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11-19-2019 , 12:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Lattimer
Johnny has no obligation to post here. You have a habit of posting his Last Activity, and at this point I consider it trolling. So knock it off.
I have posted his last activity a few times. There would need to be many more times on a regular basis in order for it to be considered “A habit.“ when I have shared this information, it was not directed toward an individual. I was just keeping everyone informed, which means that I was not trolling.

You can make excuses to justify anything as anything, Just like some police officers detain or arrest people standing on a sidewalk with a camera as “suspicious,’ even if they are not breaking the law.
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11-19-2019 , 12:27 AM
Well I'm telling you to stop. Feel free to bring it to the Moderation Discussion thread if you want to discuss further.
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11-19-2019 , 01:15 PM
A few updates.

Old TD that was known to many of us is retiring. Heard they are planning to take not one but two TD’s that would manage the morning and evening tournaments.

Hope the new TD’s are aggressive in marketing the events and enthusiastic in trying new events.

The TACO place in the market place area which recently changed its timings (only operates in the evening now) are planning to reset. They will be opening at 11AM. I am a fan of their veggie bowl. I am happy they are operating during the day. I wrote to them in regards to this and I am assuming many others did as well.

The bathroom situation is dismal. I tried using the one opposite to their Event Center. All the units were closed for repairs. This is right in front of their Event Center and is accessed heavily, I am surprised the maintenance is taking this long to fix the same. Most of the sinks don’t operate. Half of them dispense only cold water. The napkins are out mostly. I will send another Email to their customer service and see if the situation improves.
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11-19-2019 , 06:26 PM
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Originally Posted by GolfPro

The TACO place in the market place area which recently changed its timings (only operates in the evening now) are planning to reset. They will be opening at 11AM. I am a fan of their veggie bowl. I am happy they are operating during the day. I wrote to them in regards to this and I am assuming many others did as well.
Excellent news, thanks for sharing.

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11-21-2019 , 03:26 PM
We are coming to MGM Harbor for Thanksgiving. Appreciate if anyone can provide information on the poker comp dollar earned (2-5 table). Can I use it for room or just food only like MGM Springfield? Do I need to do transfer or get a paper voucher, something like that? Can I use my Borgata comp here?

Do players get comp rooms (easily)? I reserved three weekend nights comp rooms, but that is based on my Borgata poker play (which I am offered comp room any date of the week). I only been to National Harbor once when it first opened and played very little.
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11-21-2019 , 04:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Rapini
This thread is for discussion specifically related to the MGM National Harbor Resort & Casino (MGMNH). Any discussion that is not specifically related to MGMNH--including low-content or chatter posts--should go in the Maryland Regional Communities thread, which can be found here: https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/2...yland-1265087/.

WEBSITES:

Main -- https://www.mgmnationalharbor.com/en.html
Poker -- https://www.mgmnationalharbor.com/en/casino/poker.html
Bravo Poker Live -- https://www.bravopokerlive.com/venue...asino-resort/#

DIRECTIONS:

Address: 101 Harborview Ave, Oxon Hill, MD 20745

Driving: Essentially, all directions end in the Oxon Hill Road Exit. The local exits of 495 north will lead to MGM National Harbor, while southbound exits on 495 should exit to Oxon Hill Rd.

Public Transit: NH2 bus -- https://www.wmata.com/schedules/time...upload/nh2.pdf -- which connects with metrorail at King Street.

Shuttle: There is a shuttle that runs from National Harbor.

PARKING:

https://www.mgmnationalharbor.com/en...r-parking.html

Self-park: "While the resort will move to a paid parking model in the future, Self-Parking for our guests will be complimentary during the opening period." Johnny recommends floors 3 and 4 near the elevators as the ideal spaces for poker room parking.
Valet: "Valet parking will be available 24-hours per day. Rates will be $25 for up to 12 hours, $45 for 12-24 hours."

THE POKER ROOM
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POKER DIRECTOR: Johnny Grooms (JohnnyGroomsTD)

POKER ROOM PHONE NUMBER: 301-971-5600
Call-ins accepted for time-rake games.

46 TABLES

GAMES- Any game legal in MD: Holdem, Omaha, Badugi, Badeucey, Badacey, and Stud Variants.

BUY-INS

1/3 NL: $100-$500
2/5 NL: $300-$1000
5/10 NL: $600-$2500
10/25 NL: $1,500 min (no max)
25/50 NL: $3,000 min (no max)
50/100 NL: $5,000 min (no max)

1/2 PLO: $200-$700, $5 Bring in
5/5 PLO: $500-$2,500
5/10 PLO: $1,000 min (no max)
10/25 PLO: $2,500 min (no max)
25/50 PLO: $5,000 min (no max)
50/100 PLO: $10,000 min (no max)

All chips will move on transfers, regardless of whether it's a voluntary move or broken table.

RAKE:

10% to $5 max on games below 5/10.

$7 per half hour on 5/10 NL/PL; 15/30 L.

No flop, no drop.

Reduced rake in effect when there are 6 players or less.

BAD BEAT JACKPOT:

$2 jackpot drop ($1 @ $10, $1 @ $30) on jackpot-eligible games.
Quad 7s beaten, pot >=$10, both cards must play in both the winning and losing hands, and kicker must tie or beat the board to qualify.
Both cards must play; kicker must at least tie the board kicker.
Split is 40%-20%-40% with a player share for anyone dealt into the jackpot hand.

MISCELLANEOUS

NLHE games are 10-handed at 1/3 and 2/5 and 9-handed at 5/10 & up.
PLO games are 9-handed.
LHE games are 10-handed below 10/20 and 9-handed at 10/20 & up.

There is no betting line; the racetrack line is a courtesy line.

Players in the hand may talk about the hand when heads up, but no cards may be revealed.

UTG straddles are allowed in NLHE. Mississippi straddles are allowed in PLO.

Running it twice is permitted in time-raked games. Maryland law requires only one flop, but allows for two turns and two rivers.

New players must post in limit games and higher-limit games, but not in low-limit games.

Players with a live hand may request to see other hands at showdown, but any hands shown in this manner are live.

The poker room will use KEM cards.

PLAYER BOXES: Hundreds of boxes are available for a $100 deposit and $100 annual fee. The annual fee may be waived based on frequency and level of play. Boxes must be accessed at least once every 90 days.

COMPS: $2/hr in pot-raked games; $3 in time-rake games. Comps expire one year from the day they were earned. No comped or reduced rates on hotel rooms.

FOOD: All food options available in the food court/market area will be available in the poker room via dedicated food runners.

Free WiFi is available. Players will be allowed to use electronic devices unless their use slows down the game.

[If you'd like to provide an update to the FAQ, please copy this entire post, make necessary changes, and send via PM to Rapini. Thank you.]
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11-21-2019 , 09:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Forest_Kevin
We are coming to MGM Harbor for Thanksgiving. Appreciate if anyone can provide information on the poker comp dollar earned (2-5 table). Can I use it for room or just food only like MGM Springfield? Do I need to do transfer or get a paper voucher, something like that? Can I use my Borgata comp here?

Do players get comp rooms (easily)? I reserved three weekend nights comp rooms, but that is based on my Borgata poker play (which I am offered comp room any date of the week). I only been to National Harbor once when it first opened and played very little.
$2/hour poker comps. It can only be used for food. It is earned in a separate account from poker comps at other MGM properties and separate from regular casino comps. You have to go to the superviser stand in the back of the room and have them transfer comps to your card to be presented at the restaurant. It's like the same process at other MGM properties except no paper voucher, just transfer of money to your card which needs to be used within 24 hrs at the food place you specify. Or if you order from one of the food attendants at your poker table they do all of that for you.

I don't believe you'll get any special hotel room deals at MGMNH from playing poker there.
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11-22-2019 , 01:37 AM
December 2019 tournaments and promotions calendar:

https://mgmnationalharbor.mgmresorts...ember-2019.pdf
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11-22-2019 , 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted by DCJ001
December 2019 tournaments and promotions calendar:

https://mgmnationalharbor.mgmresorts...ember-2019.pdf
Disappointing
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11-23-2019 , 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted by CheapAssJohn
That new lucky table promo is bull,I was taking a smoke when the high hand was hit and didn’t get it. And what if your at a tightwad table where no ones playing and then at the 4/8 everyone is in every hand, there gonna win the promo all the time. Meanwhile everyone at the 1/3 paid just as much rake but don’t have the same chance of hitting


What is the difference between the new lucky table promo and the one that's been running for years?


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11-23-2019 , 08:01 PM
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Originally Posted by flopshot
What is the difference between the new lucky table promo and the one that's been running for years?


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It's basically a high hand promo but the whole table gets paid. Monday will be the last time they ever do it.
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11-24-2019 , 02:27 AM
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Originally Posted by trob888
It's basically a high hand promo but the whole table gets paid. Monday will be the last time they ever do it.
How can you be sure that they will never ever do it again?
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11-24-2019 , 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by CheapAssJohn
That new lucky table promo is bull,I was taking a smoke when the high hand was hit and didn’t get it. And what if your at a tightwad table where no ones playing and then at the 4/8 everyone is in every hand, there gonna win the promo all the time. Meanwhile everyone at the 1/3 paid just as much rake but don’t have the same chance of hitting
This is the same reason the bad beat jackpot is inherently unfair and subsidizes 4/8 limit players who have a higher chance of hitting it. Not to mention BBJ funds going to fund tournament guarantees that miss.
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11-24-2019 , 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Havax
This is the same reason the bad beat jackpot is inherently unfair and subsidizes 4/8 limit players who have a higher chance of hitting it. Not to mention BBJ funds going to fund tournament guarantees that miss.


Is there any prohibition against playing 4-8 limit?
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11-25-2019 , 02:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Havax
This is the same reason the bad beat jackpot is inherently unfair and subsidizes 4/8 limit players who have a higher chance of hitting it. Not to mention BBJ funds going to fund tournament guarantees that miss.
I suspect that the 4/8 tables get more hands in per down, and therefore likely drop more $ into the jackpot than an equivalent 1/3 table. So yes - more likely to hit it there, but perhaps also paying more in on a per-hour basis?

As someone said - the choice is yours which game to play at any given time. #votewithyourfeet
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11-25-2019 , 03:35 PM
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Originally Posted by BMoreE
I suspect that the 4/8 tables get more hands in per down, and therefore likely drop more $ into the jackpot than an equivalent 1/3 table. So yes - more likely to hit it there, but perhaps also paying more in on a per-hour basis?
No. More players per hand (and more going to showdown) means less hands/down. Plus all the arguing. The 4/8 BBJ advantage is pretty negligible and not worth being bothered over.
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11-26-2019 , 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by CheapAssJohn
4/8 players should have there own seperate jackpot or they should pay more rake. I don’t want to participate in the unfair promo and jackpot but I have no choice if I play 1/3. Bbj funds going to fund tournaments guarantees too now? What a scam
This is incorrect!

Tournaments have their own jackpot drop from each entry. So, the GTD’s are funded by the Tournament jackpot.

The jackpot drop’s for cash games is separate and funds the cash game promotions and BBJ.
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11-26-2019 , 01:01 PM
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Originally Posted by trob888
No. More players per hand (and more going to showdown) means less hands/down. Plus all the arguing. The 4/8 BBJ advantage is pretty negligible and not worth being bothered over.
Would love to see real data to validate which opinion is correct... poker room managers have such data!

I agree on the 4/8 players per hand issue - which could contribute to more HHs being hit there as well (A 3- or 4-bet at 1/3 may scare away the rando 4-6 suited players who are always calling to see flop on 4/8.)

Mightn't the tanking/decision making at 1/3 might offset the time spent on more players acting?

The other data point for this conclusion is that IIRC they used to pay less to the 4/8 table HH winners up at Live than the other tables, presumably due to this effect (since poker room managers have the data.)
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11-26-2019 , 09:17 PM
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Originally Posted by BMoreE
Would love to see real data to validate which opinion is correct... poker room managers have such data!

I agree on the 4/8 players per hand issue - which could contribute to more HHs being hit there as well (A 3- or 4-bet at 1/3 may scare away the rando 4-6 suited players who are always calling to see flop on 4/8.)

Mightn't the tanking/decision making at 1/3 might offset the time spent on more players acting?

The other data point for this conclusion is that IIRC they used to pay less to the 4/8 table HH winners up at Live than the other tables, presumably due to this effect (since poker room managers have the data.)
Here are some data:

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Originally Posted by MikeStarr
Thats a horrible practice. Taking money out of the promo account that was funded by cash game players to give to tourney players so the room doesnt lose money to a missed guarantee. IMO its pretty close to stealing.

Why should the cash game players get potential money taken from them because the room made a promise to tourney players? Cash game players shouldnt take the loss. They didnt make the promise.
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Originally Posted by JohnnyGroomsTD
Money also comes from tournaments......
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Originally Posted by DCJ001
What is the approximate percentage, cash vs. tournaments?
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Originally Posted by JohnnyGroomsTD
About 10K per month......
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Originally Posted by JohnnyDough
Are the "promo account" for the tournaments and the "Jackpot rake reserve" from cash games separated? Or is it just one big account? There are many people who play exclusively tournaments or cash
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Originally Posted by MikeStarr
This is my point. Saying $10K per month comes in from tourney promo funds is being very vague. How much goes out per month? Are the tourney and cash game promo funds kept segregated? Are cash game promo funds used to pay tourney overlays when there isnt enough tourney promo money to cover it so the room doesnt lose money?

Im pretty sure I already know the answers to these questions which is why I said using promo money to cover tourney overlays is a horrible and unfair practice.
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Originally Posted by ashiXIII
It’s incredibly unethical to use promo money that comes primarily from cash games this way, and I wouldn’t be surprised if it was illegal.
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Originally Posted by ashiXIII
It’s still unethical, even if 100% of the funds come from the tournament players. MGM wants all the benefits of a guarantee tournament without having to shoulder any of the risk of a potential overlay.
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Originally Posted by MikeStarr
That's a total cop out. Guarantees, more than anything, are used to get plenty of people to play the tournament knowing what the minimum prize pool will be no matter how many people show up to play. As the previous poster said, the poker room wants to guarantee certain payouts to get as many people to play as possible while taking zero risk if not enough people enter.....and the cash game players shouldnt be the ones paying the piper when the tourney falls short of the guarantee.

Im sure its not illegal, but its certainly unethical and I bet if you took a poll of all your cash game players, they would agree. My guess is that 99% of them have no idea you do that.
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Originally Posted by DCJ001
What is the approximate percentage, cash vs. tournaments?
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Originally Posted by JohnnyGroomsTD
About 99% cash 1% tournament.

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Originally Posted by JohnnyGroomsTD
It does go into the promo fund. Tournament leaderboard comes out of the promo fund. Missed guarantees come out of the promo fund. We miss about 2 guarantees a week on average, and have to make up between $600-$1K. We have a tournament leaderboard that pays between 10k-15K per month, depending on the upcoming tournament series. We take in between $9K-$14K per month, depending on the field sizes. On average we probably run in the negative around 1K-$1500 per month. There are enough regs ITT that are aware, and if I felt there was anything to hide, I would not be so transparent.

Any other questions?
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Originally Posted by DCJ001
Sure. Does it make sense that people who play cash games exclusively are frustrated that you give their promo money to tournament players because some of your tournaments are unable to meet their guarantees?
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Originally Posted by JohnnyGroomsTD
Sure it does. I didn’t say they didn’t have a valid argument. My years in the industry tell me that tournaments exist only to provide traffic for live games, as they do not turn much of a profit at all. They do, however, bring in about 100-125 players per day, 40-50 of whom play in those cash games. They also contribute promo drop, and typically make the games better. With our player base there has been no issue, outside of 2-3 players on 2+2, some of whom
dont even play poker in our room.
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Originally Posted by chexmix_59
I also play cash games exclusively and am not happy that the promo fund takes more than $1,000 per month from cash game players and gives it directly to tournament players. Being open about it is better than hiding it, but it's a very unethical practice either way.
There’s more. But I will let you look for it.

Last edited by DCJ001; 11-26-2019 at 09:23 PM.
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11-27-2019 , 10:43 PM
Re: 4/8 L vs 1/3 NL

Any argument for the limit game’s contributions, fairness of their eligibility/participation in the BBJ is negated by the fact that there are 20-30 more 1/3 NL games going at any given time. Not to mention it’s mostly homeless people who smell like warm garbage.

They should have their own thing.
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12-02-2019 , 04:21 PM
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Originally Posted by DCJ001
Here are some data:
<redacted to protect the innocent>
There’s more. But I will let you look for it.
So, all that data might be helpful for a completely different question, but not for the issue I was discussing re: ROI of the BBJ at 4/8 vs. 1/3. If you happen to find myriad posts regarding actual data on that issue, I'd still be interested in it. But if not, thanks anyway!

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Originally Posted by trob888
No. More players per hand (and more going to showdown) means less hands/down. Plus all the arguing. The 4/8 BBJ advantage is pretty negligible and not worth being bothered over.
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12-03-2019 , 11:50 AM
The tournament information shown on this Twitter post:

https://twitter.com/MGMNH_Poker/stat...88198963187712

Says that the 2017 TDA rules will be used. The TDA rules were updated several months ago in 2019. This seems odd, considering that JG is on the TDA Board. Why is MGMNH still using rules from 2 1/2 years ago in their Tournaments?

Or did someone forget to update the tournament information to state 2019 instead of 2017?
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12-05-2019 , 11:17 AM
The dealers were confirming that Sunday (Dec 8th) would be a crazy day at MGM.


With their Anniversary promotions to get a seat it is better to reach there by 8AM.
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12-05-2019 , 11:31 AM
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Originally Posted by GolfPro
The dealers were confirming that Sunday (Dec 8th) would be a crazy day at MGM.


With their Anniversary promotions to get a seat it is better to reach there by 8AM.
Bravo says the promos run 9:15am until 4:14am...

Is that correct? Really running the promo into the early hours past midnight?

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